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Title: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great.! Post by Scorpioen84 on Aug 20th, 2006, 1:38am Anyone heard about it or tryed it.? My scorp is 5-6cm lower on the rear now and eat tyres like candy, and then someone mentioned chambershims.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/WingDude/diverse/skivebrems_camber.jpg Place shims/disks on the marked screws, and youre tyre will get about the right angle and the tyrewear will be normal again... Anyone see any downsides with this..? small disks for 5p saves tyrewear for 200p.... (Real chambershims), "home"made by a guy in norway... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/WingDude/diverse/600DSCN0079.jpg |
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Title: Re: chambershims.. never heard of, but sounds grea Post by hellblue on Aug 20th, 2006, 9:07am By putting one of these shims in the top like that you will change the camber angle, if your camber is ok then your tyre problem & handling will both change & maybe not for the better. you would be better to get a FOUR wheel alignment check to see if you have a problem |
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Title: Re: chambershims.. never heard of, but sounds grea Post by howiedintheplace on Aug 20th, 2006, 9:48am Not chamber but camber ;D I think I know what you saying. The more you lower the suspension on a Scorp the more it wears the inside of the rear tyres. This is because of how the suspension is designed. You also loose grip. By putting the shim in it corrects the angle & everything is good again. Yeah lots & lots of lowered Fords have these fitted. What you should do is measure how much the camber is out & get a shim made to correct it. This is only for lowered cars or cars that carry alot of weight all the time. Who makes them, they look good. Can he machine different thicknesses? Dave. |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by Scorpioen84 on Aug 20th, 2006, 7:26pm Do i realy need that half sircle shape.? isn it enough with some good solid washer (example image) http://nortrading.no/filesystem/products/15-359_01.jpg He makes them at work and can make any thicknes & any shape... Dont think he wold be to happy if i mension his name or number... ;) I dont need a chech, i KNOW i have a problem... }{ So therefor i think this may help, cant get any worse than it is... :) Heres my tyre at the time, driving on this and a spare tyre... http://www.home.no/arkiv/tyre.jpg ;D |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by hellblue on Aug 20th, 2006, 7:59pm Thats nothing to be proud of, its people driving with vehicles in that kind of state that kill people. |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by Scorpioen84 on Aug 20th, 2006, 8:26pm on 08/20/06 at 19:59:07, hellblue wrote:
[] thats why i dont drive it now u see....... give me advise on the cambershims in stead so i dont have to... ;) |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by mr._floppy on Aug 21st, 2006, 12:25am Not a bad idea ( although maybe rear spring replacement is the best option ) . If Ford, in their infinite wisdom , decree that front and rear camber and castor angles are to be non-adjustable, I see nothing unsafe about altering them to alleviate undue , and very expensive, tyre wear . |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by Scorpioen84 on Aug 21st, 2006, 8:42am Springs are replaced, from broken ford springs to TUV-aproved H&R Sport springs.. (sport is more a allround spring, h&r performanse is the realy low and stif once..) Front wear is normal, and the rear is the problem.. Since no one sees any downside whit campershims i think ill give him a call and have him make som for me... Guess the only way to find the dimenstions is to take apart the hole thing...? The ford program doesn't have the mesurements between this screws...? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/WingDude/diverse/skivebrems_camber.jpg |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by howiedintheplace on Aug 21st, 2006, 9:28am What you do is measure your camber angle. Then you can work out how thick the shim has to be to get your tyre flat to the floor again. Washers can also work but the shim in the picture is much better as it will spread the load. There is places in the U.K & U.S.A that make the same kind of shims. |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by sector-9 on Aug 21st, 2006, 6:11pm The older shape Granada Scorpio had electrically-pumped self-levelling suspension on some of the hatchbacks. There's a possibility, if you find one, that you may be able to transfer it to the Scorp. Alternatively fit some self-levelling dampers which should put the ride height and camber back to spec. Monroe make some but I'll bet there's others around too. Of course, all this assumes that the rear of the car is riding too low; the wheels go from |--o--| to /--o--\ as the rear end sinks. If the ride height is correct then you've got other problems. Darren |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by Scorpioen84 on Aug 30th, 2006, 12:10pm New tyres today...!! ;D (And a car wach & wox) emptied my visa today... :P My mechanic friend are going to make the cambershims later this autumn... ;) /--o--\ - it doesnt show on the car, but that is the problem... the wear was on the inside before the H&R springs, so im not supriced, but the cambershims will fix it :) |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by taliban on Aug 30th, 2006, 12:40pm im getting a bit confused here....... 'The more you lower the suspension on a Scorp the more it wears the inside of the rear tyres. This is because of how the suspension is designed. You also loose grip. By putting the shim in it corrects the angle & everything is good again. Yeah lots & lots of lowered Fords have these fitted' if thats the case, then why do it? |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by Scorpioen84 on Aug 30th, 2006, 12:50pm Quote:
Do what.? lower the scorp or mount shims.? :) not lots & lots, i had never heard about it before... But, yes, it will corect the angle of the tyre, and give normal wear... |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by taliban on Aug 30th, 2006, 1:55pm lower the scorp? |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by Scorpioen84 on Aug 30th, 2006, 7:45pm Grand Turismo driving..? (if its called that..) :) As said the H&R sport is more a replacement spring then a lowering spring, but my rearend droped more then i had expected, front wear is actualy perfect now. :D I drive many long distance trips, and the comfort & feeling of the H&R springs makes it all worth it... But the inside tyrewear is a probem, but now i have the solution.. As Howie said : measure how much the camber is out & get a shim made to correct it... :) |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by Matt on Aug 30th, 2006, 8:14pm hey all lowering a car can have more good effects then just visual it lowers the center of gravity so the car wont roll as much round corners, even less if u fit stiffer shocks aswell but then ride quality reduces 'cuz u'll feel the bumps matt :) |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by taliban on Aug 30th, 2006, 10:14pm but if you want a road hugging sports car, why buy a perfectly good saloon and lower it with all the problems that go with it, why not just buy a sports car to start with..... |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by Scorpioen84 on Aug 30th, 2006, 11:06pm i dont want a road hugging no damping stiff chaking car on 18" rims..., i want somthing whitch is good to drive.... what problems exept the tyre wear.? a stiffer lower scorp is no dowside at all..... ;) And i didnt lower it for the looks, even thog it looks a bit cooler.... :) |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by RichardMS on Aug 30th, 2006, 11:12pm on 08/30/06 at 22:14:41, taliban wrote:
It's called modifying ;) |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by howiedintheplace on Aug 30th, 2006, 11:42pm Guys when I say lots & lots I don't mean all Scorpio's. The Sierra, granada & Escort Cosworth use the same type of rear suspension & if they are lowered for what ever reason then shims are used to corrent the rear camber. All these cars together is lots & lots ;D |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by taliban on Aug 30th, 2006, 11:50pm 'what problems exept the tyre wear.? ' errr, well, firstly, yes, the tyre wear, which is caused by bad grip/handling, which is cured by having specialist shims made after measuring the adverse camber, which is caused by lowering suspension not designed to be lowered, which is cured by using stiffer springs etc which causes an uncomfortable ride...... i know, its called modifying.......... |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by Scorpioen84 on Aug 31st, 2006, 12:39am just a thoght, how old are u taliban.? u sound like my grandfather... ;D this springs Does not give å uncomfortable ride.... ::) thats the whole point.... |
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Title: Re: cambershims.. never heard of, but sounds great Post by taliban on Aug 31st, 2006, 12:09pm 'just a thoght, how old are u taliban.? u sound like my grandfather... ' pmsl funnily enough, after i typed that last post i asked myself the same question. tbh though i've never been impressed by lowered cars, if i see an old classic say a chevvy '59 bel air and its been 'modded', i just think what a waste of an old classic, im much more impressed if the owner has restored it to original condition..... |
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