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(Message started by: cossie_al on Aug 26^th, 2006, 2:36pm)

Title: third brake light wireing
Post by cossie_al on Aug 26^th, 2006, 2:36pm

Does any one happen to know if the scorp comes pre wired for the extra brake light and are the wires hidden under the parcel shelf somewhere.
Just thought I would ask before I splice into the wires leading to the rear lights.

Title: Re: third brake light wireing
Post by shaun on Aug 26^th, 2006, 9:02pm

no there is no spair plugs but i will let u no on sunday night the easy way coz im stripping one at mo so it do matter if i cut the wrong one ,as the wires come from back in to the car will try to take pic too help,if you need.

Title: Re: third brake light wireing
Post by cossie_al on Aug 26^th, 2006, 9:11pm

No thats okay mate, just thought I would ask on the off chance.
I will be able to trace the live feed for the brake lights and just splice into it.
Cheers anyway
Any chance of a pic of those chrome sill covers ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: third brake light wireing
Post by howiedintheplace on Aug 27^th, 2006, 10:17pm

Worth a look but it's easy to wire in if not, so no worries either way mate ;)

Title: Re: third brake light wireing
Post by Octavian_P on Aug 28^th, 2006, 7:05pm

My 2.3 had the cables and conector just under the shelf, it was a simple matter of stripping it and connecting the lamp.....40 LED aftermarket one ;D.....

Title: Re: third brake light wireing
Post by Baz on Aug 29^th, 2006, 11:06pm

Al

hope this gets to you before you do the job.

The wiring for the high level brake light is under the left hand speaker (looking from inside the car) It is taped up and wrapped in songe to stop it rattling. If you need the light, I have a spare or two!!

Baz

Title: Re: third brake light wireing
Post by cossie_al on Aug 30^th, 2006, 6:52am

cheers Baz,
Got a brake light of howie, I was happy to just splice into the wires leading to the light clusters but I kinda figured the wires may be there anyway.
Thanks again.

Title: Re: third brake light wireing
Post by DJWerkz on Aug 30^th, 2006, 10:08am

After removing the plastic surround I found that my Scorpio was all pre-wired ready for the third light to be bloted on (estate model).

But the member I got the third light from (Mummra) sold me it because his estate was not pre-wired,...seems that it's a matter of fortune whether your car is wired up or not, but it should be no big thing to run a wire loom up for the light.

Title: Re: third brake light wireing
Post by cossie_al on Aug 30^th, 2006, 8:10pm

Just replaced the bulbs in the high level brake light for five 10 mm led's at 15,000mcd (with any luck people may notice when the car is stationary from now on).
I did a few photos along the way if anyone is interested I will do a quick write up.

Title: Re: third brake light wireing
Post by Baz on Aug 31^st, 2006, 7:33pm

Always good to see peoples mods Al. I fitted a high level light from a Rover 75. It is an LED one and looks OK from inside and outside. I just had to replace the parcel shelf cover with one from an older car without the brake light!

Title: Re: third brake light wireing
Post by cossie_al on Aug 31^st, 2006, 8:32pm

This is how I replaced the bulbs in my new (thanks Howie) high level brake light.
Started with the standard light and unclipped the black mounting plate and also the reflector that houses the bulbs
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/cossieal/1.jpg

Next I removed the bulbs from the reflector and the copper rails that takes the power to the bulbs.
I found it easier to use a tiny precision screwdriver to do this but be carefull cos were going to reuse them.
They are attached to the reflector unit with a tiny plastic nipple try not to brake this as you gently lever the copper rail over it.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/cossieal/2.jpg

Next came the fitting of the led's I discovered that they were a tiny bit to big to fit where the bulbs go. This being the case I decided to take the dremmel with a small grinding wheel and take a very small amount of material off the base of the led Be carefull doing this as it realy is just a small amount. they should fit snuggly into the hole.
And I should have worn gloves. You could do the same with sand paper etc.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/cossieal/3.jpg

Here you see the legs of the led's out the back of the reflector make a point of putting all the positive legs (long ones)to the same side. As my car didn't come with a light the positive and negative terminals can be decided later. However, it may be worth making a note of this when you remove the light from your car as this will determin wich side copper rail you use for the longer positive leg of the led
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/cossieal/4.jpg

solder the resistors in place and put a short length of heat shrink tubing or similar insulation over the resistor and all the way down to the led the resistor itself does not need to be covered.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/cossieal/5.jpg

Repleace the copper rail to the earth side of the led's I found that the clips for the bulbs can be left in place as the led legs will fit along side these in the holes then solder the negative legs to the rail.
Note the heat shrink on the positive side
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/cossieal/6.jpg

On the rail for the positive side I snipped off the clips that would have held the bulbs and reffitted it, a bit of superglue may help here. once in place solder the resistor to this rail dont let the stick out to far as they will foul the light housing when you refitt it.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/cossieal/7.jpg

Resistors in place

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/cossieal/8.jpg

check your work over and check the led's all work before you put it all back together.
I used five red 10 mm at 15000mcd and they make the brake light bright enough to hurt your eyes.

The finished light, all that remains is to fit it in the car.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/cossieal/9.jpg

Title: Re: third brake light wireing
Post by cossie_al on Sep 1^st, 2006, 12:28pm

And here it is fitted along with the 6x9's and a leather cover for the parcel shelf.
I did try to get a pice of leather to match the seats etc but couldnt get an exact match so I fitted the brown leather that I had lying around.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g65/cossieal/10-1.jpg

Title: Re: third brake light wireing
Post by howiedintheplace on Sep 1^st, 2006, 1:23pm

Looks good mate.

Title: Re: third brake light wireing
Post by taliban on Sep 8^th, 2006, 1:46pm

cossie, how did you fit the 6x9's in?
i was looking at trying it but got a bit put off by all the metal struting.
i have bought a pair of 6.5" bass cones for 99p on ebay with the idea of keeping the original speakers and adding the new cones for the bass the system seems to be lacking......

Title: Re: third brake light wireing
Post by cossie_al on Sep 8^th, 2006, 3:52pm

Hi taliban,
I have posted about this before but didn't go into much detail.
When I got the car the 6x9's were already in the car but not really fitted.
By the looks of things the original speakers were removed with a claw hammer and the holes made bigger with an axe and the speakers dropped in the said axe holes. (not one fixing on either speaker)
So I removed the parcel shelf cover to tidy it up the holes were not even close to the shape of the speakers so I cut some thin mdf to match the holes and glued it in place then covered the under side with a thin layer of fibreglass.
Once this was completely cured I cut the holes to match the speakers and covered the top side with a layer of thin upholsteres foam and then the leather.
Again once the glue was dry I cut the holes in the new upholstery to mathch the previous holes.
With the shelf cover still out of the car I bolted the speakers to it making sure the bolts are just long enough to get the nuts and washers on.
As for the holes in the metal work this was a real mess bits of sharp jaggered metal everywhere. I did what I could with a junior hack saw then a file, this was a long and nasty job and I lost the skin on most of my nuckles doing it.
Its still not great but it is a lot tidyer.
I replaced the shelf and speakers as one unit using the original fixings.
This was when I discovered the first set of bolts were to long and had to be cut to length.
Next on the agenda is to cut the holes in the metal work a bit bigger and fit a box of some description to the underside (in the boot that is).
Hope that helps mate it a lot of work but well worth it.
Al
EDIT
forgot to mention I am also going to copy Richard if he doesnt mind and put 6x9's in the front like this
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=OT;action=display;num=1157108097

Title: Re: third brake light wireing
Post by taliban on Sep 8^th, 2006, 4:17pm

cheers for that, making a new shelf with mdf then covering with faux leather is simple enough, but as you say its all that metal strutting that has to be cut for the depth of bigger speakers......

Title: Re: third brake light wireing
Post by cossie_al on Sep 8^th, 2006, 11:26pm

yes mate its hard work but still worth it and by the way its proper leather like it grew on a cow ;D