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Title: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by Leeky on Dec 30th, 2006, 11:46pm Anyone tried this? Been considering doing this but wanted to see if there was a reason why the scorpio wouldnt like it. I know the more modern common rail diesel engines dont like sunflower oil as its too thick but seeing as the scorpio td engine is just a transit engine (and its been around a while) i wouldnt think it would mind it. Anyone? :) |
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Title: Re: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by mazzy_j on Dec 31st, 2006, 12:03am Been running mine on the stuff for years... shall i begin the lecture? ;D If your seriously thinking of doing it let me know and i'll let you know what to do. Matt p.s. as far as i know the transit had its own 2.5 derv lump... |
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Title: Re: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by youmitegetian on Dec 31st, 2006, 6:00pm Hi guys, apparently the scorpio uses the engine from a range rover and jeep not the transit, not that it matters really. Any information you can give on running the car on sunflower oil would be appreciated, hadn't really thought about it but sounds like a cheaper option than diesel. Also while we're on the subject, what mpg should i expect from my scorpio, i think i'm only getting around 30 mpg which doesn't sound good for a derv really |
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Title: Re: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by mazzy_j on Dec 31st, 2006, 7:28pm Yeah, the VM lump the scorp uses was also in the voyage, rover 800, and the frontera. What does matter is the make of the injector/fuel pump... 30 mpg can be good or bad depending how/where your driving. Around town mine gets about 32ish mpg so long as i'm careful, on the motorway at 60-65mpg i get roughly 42-45mpg. usually after a week of the 2 i end up with roughly 38-41 mpg. Bearing in mind i've turned the fueling up and its done well over 230K miles! I use a mixture of sunflower/vegetable oil along with petrol (to act as a thinner). Most people usually gasp when i saw that followed by "petrol?? in a diesel??" Due to it being cold i'm currently using 12% petrol to 88% sun/veg oil i've found works best. Have a look at the links below below: http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=OT;action=display;num=1164708603;start=10#10 http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Advice;action=display;num=1145425109;start= Remember to pay the tax on what you use of course ;) although apparently it will soon be that if you produce less than 2500L of biodiesel you wont have to pay tax... Matt |
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Title: Re: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by Leeky on Dec 31st, 2006, 10:48pm Great info there ;D I found that there is a bio diesel supplier very very local to me. Will find out what the prices are like as it saves me having to declaire all the duty etc if its already been done by the supplier. Cheers for that ;) |
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Title: Re: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by youmitegetian on Jan 1st, 2007, 12:23pm Yeah thats what worries me, i only got 30 mpg on a 250 mile mostly motorway journey. Re biofuel, a friend uses it in his landrover but buys it from a local supplier at around 80 pence a litre |
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Title: Re: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by taliban on Jan 1st, 2007, 7:05pm here's my advice on running the scorp on veggie (most gained from mazzy); go to your local tesco/sainsburys etc thats open 24 hour at around 1am (it helps if you do shiftwork), find a dark corner to park in, do your weekly shop including copious amounts of sunflower oil. while one hand is loading the shopping into the boot, the other can be emptying oil into fuel filler. or, if you live in a culturally diverse area, you could try a local indian shop and see how much they sell the 20ltr drums for and perhaps do a deal. i must stress that obviously i would never do this and deprive golden gordon of fuel duty revenue, but it was just an idea that sprung too mind. as stated, in colder weather it does put a strain on the diesel pump (even though the scorp already has an inline fuel heater) as the viscosity is higher than diesel, so a 'medium' would be adviseable; petrol, or i spose most things alcohol based. i havent checked the mpg on mine for a while, but with diesel i was getting 23-26 around town and 35-45 on a run. however, my injectors are a bit old and probably a bit 'dribbly', i do have some new ones waiting to go in. |
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Title: Re: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by Zombie on Jan 3rd, 2007, 6:33pm My local Tesco Extra is selling loads of 25ltr drums of corn oil. It must be in response to diesel owners. Wish I had a diesel. ..... Wish I had a car that ran at the moment! |
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Title: Re: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by taliban on Jan 3rd, 2007, 7:57pm wheres your tesco zombie? |
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Title: Re: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by youmitegetian on Jan 3rd, 2007, 7:59pm So your saying the oil would need thinning before using but what if i ran some diesel at the same time?? maybe 20 litres of oil to 10 diesel?? wouldn't it seperate if it was left for any amount of time?? |
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Title: Re: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by Zombie on Jan 3rd, 2007, 8:41pm on 01/03/07 at 19:57:02, taliban wrote:
Northampton, Weston Favell |
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Title: Re: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by taliban on Jan 3rd, 2007, 9:03pm b****r, im in s.e. london |
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Title: Re: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by TiberiuS on Jan 3rd, 2007, 10:16pm on 12/31/06 at 19:28:15, mazzy_j wrote:
Of course Matt, I know you'd never do such a thing like 'forget' to pay the tax on it mate ;) Tali, last time I was in London I remember seeing the big drums of oil in the Tescos at Gallions Reach, you may also have luck with a cash and carry (quite a few of those around there ;)) |
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Title: Re: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by mazzy_j on Jan 4th, 2007, 8:06pm Quote:
yeah, one of the problems with having a memory like a colender is i forget things ;D The scorpio will run on 100% cooking oil so long as the temp is warm along with the engine, the colder it gets the thicker it is due to it having no additives to stop it from freezing (thats where the petrol comes in). I did try with 100% once but it didn't drive nicely at all, if you fitted an extra fuel heater that should get round the problem because by heating it you thin it out to the nearer the viscosity of diesel. i've fitted an additional water heated fuel heater, but as of yet i havnt plumbed it into the fuel line as it runs perfectly fine as it is. I used to mix diesel in with it when i first tried it in the car to make sure it worked ok, i'd say first try maybe 20L of oil to 20L diesel to make sure it runs fine, then gradually increase the amount of oil you add until your happy with the way it drives. I found that (in the summer) with a third diesel added it ran nicely, just remember you may lose a bit of power due to the way cooking oil burns, so if you're the right foot happy type then i'd say keep the ratio of diesel higher so there's less strain put on the pump. Normal driving i cant tell the difference. Hope this is of some help, Matt |
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Title: Re: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by TiberiuS on Jan 4th, 2007, 8:14pm on 01/04/07 at 20:06:14, mazzy_j wrote:
hahahaha...top man ;D ;) This forum is great, it's like a tonic :D |
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Title: Re: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by taliban on Jan 4th, 2007, 9:43pm i recently ran mine on pure sunlower oil, it ran very smoothly, no noticeable loss of power etc, only 2 things i noticed; the tickover wasof a couple of hundred revs higher and we're when it was zero degrees, it only fired on 3 cylinders when starting the other kicked in a few seconds later. as the scorp has an inline fuel heater anyway, it might be better to fit a fuel tank heater if using 100% veggie oi.... |
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Title: Re: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by Highlander on Jan 4th, 2007, 10:57pm Is there a certain spec the cooking oil needs to be for using in a car? or will any "cooking oil" do? |
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Title: Re: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by sector-9 on Jan 6th, 2007, 3:54pm I've mixed varying quantities of veg oil with diesel (from nearly 100% to 10%) and the Scorp doesn't seem to care one bit, though when I put the 100% in the engine was already hot and there is a very definite (but not unpleasant) smell from the exhaust once you start upping the ratio beyond about 20% veg/80% diesel. Power output didn't seem any different, nor did smoothness, however switching back to diesel after running on mostly oil did make the engine very quiet for a few miles! Cold starts don't seem to be affected with those ratios but don't forget that the electric fuel heater won't instantly heat up and it'll do nothing at all for the cold diesel/oil already in the pump or pipework after the heater! You could either have a two-tank system and switch to pure diesel for starting and about 5 minutes before stopping, or use something which relies on engine coolant to heat the fuel and pump, and then fit a Kenlowe hotstart thing - this'll also benefit the engine by never having to start from cold.... Darren |
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Title: Re: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by taliban on Jan 6th, 2007, 8:07pm 'Is there a certain spec the cooking oil needs to be for using in a car? or will any "cooking oil" do? ' yes, it needs to be clean. if using old oil, it will need to be filtered, filter bags for this are on ebay. the muck collected in the filter bag can then be spread across the lens of your nearest speed camera ;D at this time of year i would suggest a mixture to thin the oil, or an in tank fuel heater.... |
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Title: Re: Running a TD on Sunflower Oil Post by Highlander on Jan 7th, 2007, 12:25am Tried it in the TD5 over the weekend, 50:50 diesel and vegetable oil, did over 400 miles and going great, seems a bit nippier too :) Thats the maximum recommended for the TD5 as it has the Lucas fuel injection pump which has very small oilways for lubrication and can seize up if a thicker mixture is used. From what I can gather the Scorpio diesel should be able to run fine on 100% vegetable oil as long as it doesnt get too cold outside or has an oil/pump heating kit fitted |
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