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(Message started by: stafford on Dec 25^th, 2008, 2:29pm)

Title: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by stafford on Dec 25^th, 2008, 2:29pm

Just when I thought it was safe to come out of the cupboard again!!! lol

the heaters blowing cold..not good in winter...

what are the usual suspects please lads??

many ta s

staffie

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Dec 25^th, 2008, 4:10pm

Prime suspect has to be the heater matrix :'(

You may be lucky and find you have an air-lock or be able to flush it out,

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by Highlander on Dec 25^th, 2008, 8:28pm

is it climate control? try a reset, your flaps may not be set right but im more inclined to go with Mikes matrix/airlock theory

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by stafford on Dec 25^th, 2008, 9:04pm

cheers lads.. is it as bad as the thread says about sorting the matrix out..its bloody freezing!!!

Actually I think the water in the expansion tank is very low ..would that affect the heat??

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by Jonnycab on Dec 25^th, 2008, 9:15pm

Check the matrix in & out pipes when the engine is up to temp.....they should be the same hot temp. If the out is cold or cooler than the in, then it's looking like a matrix problem :(

It took me 2 days to replace my matrix, with completely numb fingers (it was freezing cold)....reckon I could do it quicker next time though ;)

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by stafford on Dec 25^th, 2008, 10:15pm

oh god ive no idea how to change the matrix?? how much for a mechanic to do??

cheers?

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by Simmo on Dec 25^th, 2008, 10:46pm

Have a read through THIS post (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Problems;action=display;num=1228243996) ;)

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by stafford on Dec 25^th, 2008, 11:20pm

for god sake this cars been a knightmare this year..£350 to get some hot air again!!!!

it was ok last week its just gone cold overnight ..

If its def the matrix does any member wanna earn some cash by fixing it wth me ill drive to you obviously??

Cheers simmo for the last thread link

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by Highlander on Dec 25^th, 2008, 11:23pm

Make sure it IS the matrix before you change it ;)

Try the suggested things above first

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by stafford on Dec 25^th, 2008, 11:44pm

whats worth trying first?? flushing sounds like a waste of time ..i think the coolants very low as ive aleak somewhere i know that as water in expansion tank doesnt last as long as it should??

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by Highlander on Dec 26^th, 2008, 12:12am

first of all i would top up the expansion tank....

then reset the CC

then check the heater hoses for heat/airlocks

then i would flush it, it does work sometimes

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by stafford on Dec 26^th, 2008, 12:34am

ok highlander i will try all of those in that order my friend..

i hope it works cos im not spending any more money on this scorp!!!

I can see an Audi coming!!!! What!!!!!!!!!!!!!lol

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by Highlander on Dec 26^th, 2008, 12:41am

My dad had an Audi, £350 dont go far on them things!! ;)

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by stafford on Dec 26^th, 2008, 12:52am

lol

me has a feeling its a hose or very low water level you no...its well overdue for a complete service on the coolent anyway as well

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by Jonnycab on Dec 26^th, 2008, 1:21am

on 12/25/08 at 22:15:01, stafford wrote:

oh god ive no idea how to change the matrix??

Nor did I, until I read the procedure on this site ;).....still nice & hot after nearly 3 years :D

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by stafford on Dec 26^th, 2008, 2:01am

jonnycab how do you fancy doing mine wth me for cash in your hand ..if its still bad after try the other suggestions ..Id drive to you esp as i need a new rear door from steve saville up your end???

are you interested in some dosh???

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by Highlander on Dec 26^th, 2008, 2:53am

I'm sure Mr. Saville would do it for you :)

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Dec 26^th, 2008, 12:35pm

on 12/26/08 at 00:41:56, Highlander wrote:

My dad had an Audi, £350 dont go far on them things!! ;)

Mate of mine had an Audi some time back ...and got an £1800 bill to fix the air-con :o

Nice cars I'm sure but wouldn't want one.
Mind you, chap up the road has a very nice original H reg Quattro - now there is an Audi which could sway me ;)

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by Jonnycab on Dec 26^th, 2008, 7:51pm

Sorry Stafford mate, I'm not interested ;). It's a horrible job to do, especially in winter & I don't really relish the thought of having to do it again. But I probably will have to at some point on the wifes 2.3, if or when the heating packs up ::)

Have a word with Freddieboy, his local garage (Southend area) did it for about £300 all in, which is a good price :)

It might be an idea to ask Steve Saville if he can help when you're down there. He's taken so many Scorpios apart, he could probably do it with his eyes shut & one hand tied behind his back ;D

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by stafford on Dec 27^th, 2008, 8:18am

lol []

im buying a ten quid plug in heater off e bay and sod the bloddy matrix summer will be here soon im not spending 300 on a p reg car to get some heat..cheers tho lads for the advice but Ive done silly money on this car this yr!! []

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by Jaye_Martin on Dec 27^th, 2008, 8:55am

air lock
or as mentioned matrix
hopefully airlock

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by Highlander on Dec 27^th, 2008, 11:22am

on 12/26/08 at 00:12:02, Highlander wrote:

first of all i would top up the expansion tank....

then reset the CC

then check the heater hoses for heat/airlocks

then i would flush it, it does work sometimes

Did you try these???

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by stafford on Dec 27^th, 2008, 4:48pm

im on nights at mo highlander but have topped up the expansion tank and have printed out the CC reset last night from here..can you take me thru the proceedure tho.its a bit patchy from the printer?? will do it sun mornin

cheers

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by stafford on Dec 30^th, 2008, 11:44pm

Right...

Its taken at least 2 litres of water and a litre of pre mixed antifreeze and let the temp of engine get up for 30 mins..without holding my breath ive had 2 mins of hot air again before i had to jump into work..

I squeezed some of the visible rubber pipes as well

Does this mean it was just fluid s far too low and the matrix is ok now??

ta

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by Highlander on Dec 31^st, 2008, 12:01am

lol yes I would think so, 3 litres short??

does yours not have the coolant level indicator?

I hope it hasnt been overheating the engine..

Next problem is to worry about where the coolants going....

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by stafford on Dec 31^st, 2008, 12:57am

very true Stuart...

I dont like the look of the expansion tank cap..thats a quick sort out but cant see where the coolant s leaking the engine temp has been bang on the 3 oclock position for yrs ..Ive got to do london in the morning hope the heaters still ok but yes was in need of 3 litres of fluid it was..

why did the heat go then because the water was low??

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by gozz on Dec 31^st, 2008, 8:57am

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Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by scorpio_man on Dec 31^st, 2008, 9:35am

hi there

i'd give everything to do with the engine cooling system a really good look over.

my car's temp sat bang on the middle of the gauge even AFTER the head went! :o :(

have you used any radiator/leak fixes? this can block the matrix AND the radiator.

hopefully yours isn't as bad as mine was. :-/

hth

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by Highlander on Dec 31^st, 2008, 9:58am

on 12/31/08 at 00:57:52, stafford wrote:

why did the heat go then because the water was low??

Yep I'd think you probably werent getting any water through the heater hoses

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by Highlander on Dec 31^st, 2008, 10:01am

on 12/31/08 at 09:35:00, scorpio_man wrote:

my car's temp sat bang on the middle of the gauge even AFTER the head went!

I've done the same in a 2.3 I bought for spares, I knew the head gasket was going (It was actually the head that had cracked) and was topping it up regularly while driving but eventually it got worse, lost all the water and blew the engine, the temp gauge never moved above half even when the engine was cooking! :o

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by scorpio_man on Dec 31^st, 2008, 10:13am

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i should add that you should get issuse with your LPG as there won't be enough water to heat the vaporiser.

hth

Title: Re: happy xmas all..heaters blowing cold??
Post by stafford on Dec 31^st, 2008, 3:12pm

its all topped up now and im off to London for new years eve

got my duvet in car and a portable 12v heater off ebay just in case lol.

Happy new year to all. :P :P :P