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(Message started by: GrumpyOne on Jun 22^nd, 2009, 9:26am)

Title: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by GrumpyOne on Jun 22^nd, 2009, 9:26am

Engine is almost out the donor car and it’s time to decide what I am going to do with it!

Can anyone recommend a good but reasonably priced engine rebuilder for the 24V BOB engine? Google comes up with nothing and the two local rebuilders that I have spoken to have refused to touch it, one of them told me he didn’t have the manpower to do such a large job ???

Cheers
Colin

Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by martin_rowe on Jun 22^nd, 2009, 10:53am

'such a large job' what sort of engine re builder is he. send it to me I'll do it, but why does it need re building, the other problem is availability of some of the parts now.

Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by GrumpyOne on Jun 22^nd, 2009, 12:22pm

Not a very good one by the sound of it :)

The engine has came from a high mileage car, 170,000, probably been a taxi at some point in its life, non runner and two of the core plugs have popped out. Of course I didn't find this out until I got it up here.
There is a broken wire to the EDIS unit which would explain the non running, there has also been a new radiator fitted at some point.
What I think has happened is the engine has overheated because of a broken radiator and when they have changed it they have broken the wire to the EDIS unit. It has been filled with water and no antifreeze, been left to sit over the winter and it has frozen popping the core plugs.
Long story short, I want it pressure tested to make sure it’s not got a cracked block, I also think it will need new big end shells, reground crank, probably a rebore and new pistons, new valve guides, new valves and springs and probably cams, new gasket set and of course timing gear and an oil pump.
I have been unable to find any company who wants anything to do with a BOB engine, lots will do the BOA but none for the BOB.
The engine is going to get mounts made and fitted to my chassis as soon as it is out of the car, which gives me about five weeks to find a company brave enough to tackle the work.

Cheers
Colin

Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Jun 22^nd, 2009, 2:39pm

BOB rebuild could be very expensive :o

If it was me, I'd look for another engine - buy a complete Scorpio 24v MOT failure for a couple of £100 quid.
You should be able to recoup most of your outlay by selling the bits you don't want on ebay or here.

Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by wojtekor on Jun 22^nd, 2009, 2:58pm

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Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by martin_rowe on Jun 22^nd, 2009, 4:20pm

I've got an engine on a pallet if interested.

Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by GrumpyOne on Jun 22^nd, 2009, 4:36pm

That's what I have done, and it was always my intention of having the engine rebuilt with new bits before it goes in the Viento.
There are pistons, conrods, valves etc available it only seems to be the timing gear that is a problem and someone to do the work :)

Why does nobody like these engines, is it because they didn't make enough of them? They are such good engines with such potential and nobody does anything for them.

Cheers
Colin

Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by homer2themax on Jun 22^nd, 2009, 4:47pm

You're putting a 24v in one of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viento ?
:o :o :o

Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by wojtekor on Jun 22^nd, 2009, 4:50pm

on 06/22/09 at 16:36:17, GrumpyOne wrote:

Why does nobody like these engines, is it because they didn't make enough of them? They are such good engines with such potential and nobody does anything for them.

BOB engines are much worse, less reliable etc. then BOA and have a more screwed up design that's probably why nobody wants to touch them.

Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by GrumpyOne on Jun 22^nd, 2009, 4:53pm

I like it, quicker just cutting your wrists though ;D ;D

I am actually putting it in this http://www.luegosportscars.com/viento.htm
and hopefully with a turbo on it ;D if I can find someone to rebuild the engine.

Cheers
Colin

Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by GrumpyOne on Jun 22^nd, 2009, 4:57pm

on 06/22/09 at 16:50:44, wojtekor wrote:

BOB engines are much worse, less reliable etc. then BOA and have a more screwed up design that's probably why nobody wants to touch them.

I though when Ford updated the BOA to the BOB they had made it better, is this not the case, am I barking mad trying to use a BOB, are BOA parts any easier to get? Maybe I should abandon the BOB and go for a BOA, what do you think?

Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by homer2themax on Jun 22^nd, 2009, 4:59pm

Ah right, just seen your other post about gearbox.
Thank goodness for that. I know us Scorpio owners have a couple of screws loose ;)
but that would have been suicidal lol

Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by pete from Hull on Jun 22^nd, 2009, 5:16pm

Send it to Ivor Serle, it won't be cheap but it'll be right....

http://www.ivorsearle.co.uk/

Pete

Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by wojtekor on Jun 22^nd, 2009, 6:54pm

on 06/22/09 at 16:57:49, GrumpyOne wrote:

Well if you're a Japanese car manufacturer then yes the point of an upgrade/update is to make things better... Apparently if you're Ford it's not always like this.

You must ask somebody who owns a BOA engine about the availability of the parts...

Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by Highlander on Jun 22^nd, 2009, 8:31pm

The BOA is generally the preferred option as its more common, less complicated, cheaper and easier to modify.

There's no reason why the BOB cant be used but its probably that bit more untried..

I've talked to a few people who have used the BOB in various conversions and a few (not all) reckoned if they did it again they would use the BOA

Colin, have you talked to CyberBeej?

Also have you been on this forum yet?

http://fordpowerorguk.slarti.myfreeforum.org/

Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by Matt on Jun 22^nd, 2009, 8:56pm

there is/was a general saying about the 2 engines

the BOA was a 12v fitted with cosworth heads

the BOB was a cosworth engine ford never let them develop fully hence it's radical top end but near identical bottom end and little after market parts

Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Jun 22^nd, 2009, 9:31pm

Ebay item 280361964990 could be just what you are looking for ;)

Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by GrumpyOne on Jun 23^rd, 2009, 2:57pm

Thanks for all of your ideas and help, it really is most appreciated and it's great to have someone to talk to before you make stupid mistakes.

I have found someone to do the rebuild for me, Mike at Boost Power, so that is a result, I had nearly given up hope for BOB and was thinking of dropping this in,
[url]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ford-Mustang-4-6-V8-Engine-new-with-Tremec-gearbox-5spd_W0QQitemZ170346266685QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item27a96dc03d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1689%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50[/url

Boost Power has probably saved my life ;D ;D ;D

Thanks again
Colin

Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by Highlander on Jun 23^rd, 2009, 3:01pm

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ford-Mustang-4-6-V8-Engine-new-with-Tremec-gearbox-5spd_W0QQitemZ170346266685QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item27a96dc03d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A6|72%3A1683|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A24

Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by GrumpyOne on Jun 23^rd, 2009, 3:12pm

Sorry, I thought I had put it in as a link, my computing skills are about the same as my mechanical ones ;D

Thanks for fixing.

Title: Re: Recommend A Rebuilder?
Post by Highlander on Jun 23^rd, 2009, 3:14pm

no probs :)

they can be funny sometimes, especially the longer ones