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(Message started by: Waglet on Jul 15^th, 2009, 1:02pm)

Title: Diesel over petrol
Post by Waglet on Jul 15^th, 2009, 1:02pm

Just looking round and saw on auto trader a silver auto diesel. Bit prcey but looks good. What are they like to live with (diesels that is) and what merits, if any, over petrol versions? Thoughts appreciated.

Title: Re: Diesel over petrol
Post by wojtekor on Jul 15^th, 2009, 1:42pm

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Diesel over petrol

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it's and old old old Italian VM diesel and my is it crap... Look for info about it on the internet.

Title: Re: Diesel over petrol
Post by Robzere31 on Jul 15^th, 2009, 4:36pm

on 07/15/09 at 13:42:26, wojtekor wrote:

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it's and old old old Italian VM diesel and my is it crap... Look for info about it on the internet.

A bit harsh IMO, I find the 2.5 diesel fine for everyday driving.
Sure it's no Cosworth, but then again it doesn't use fuel like one either ;)

Title: Re: Diesel over petrol
Post by wojtekor on Jul 15^th, 2009, 5:20pm

but history proved that it is, objectively one of the worst designed engines in the world... ;)

Title: Re: Diesel over petrol
Post by Highlander on Jul 15^th, 2009, 7:23pm

We have two diesels on the road, plenty torque and pretty quick for a big car, havent had any great problems with them either.

plus they run great on veg oil ;D

The auto diesel was a VERY rare Scorpio, just introduced before the end of the production run, my only worry would be the availability of second hand, auto diesel specific spares as Ford are now discontinuing a lot of parts.

As for it not being a good engine , dont tell Ford, Toyota, Rover, Chrysler, Alfa Romeo, Opel, Jeep etc Who have been using the same basic VM diesel for years ;)

http://www.vmmotori.it/en/01/02/index.jsp

Title: Re: Diesel over petrol
Post by wojtekor on Jul 15^th, 2009, 8:01pm

Stuart, popular doesn't mean any good... it was voted the worst diesel engine of the decade... if i can find the website i'll post a link here + if you look on google you'll see what i mean...

Title: Re: Diesel over petrol
Post by scorpio_man on Jul 15^th, 2009, 8:44pm

hi there

can we only post on personal experience of the scorpio variants and not on what could be viewed as hearsay,
IE other peoples opinions on various websites that can't be verified.

regards
andrew
forum admin team

Title: Re: Diesel over petrol
Post by gozz on Jul 15^th, 2009, 10:13pm

Sounds rather like the forceful self opinion of a Jeremy Clarkson character :(
Never having run one I could not opine on it's attributes or otherwise,however many people I know have owned them and I don't recall any derogatory speak regarding the engine,on the contrary,two chaps used them for caravan work and swore by their torquey reliability ;)
GOZZ.

Title: Re: Diesel over petrol
Post by wojtekor on Jul 15^th, 2009, 11:25pm

Andrew I've owned [actually it was my dad] an Alfa 164 with the very same engine... The car was bought brand new and was on the road in total for maybe 2 months, rest of the time it spent in the garage cause there was always something wrong with the engine and the automatic gearbox, after 6 months my dad made them take the car back and give him a new one, this time with a petrol engine... there were no probs. with the petrol one...

Title: Re: Diesel over petrol
Post by gemeg22171 on Jul 16^th, 2009, 12:56am

Regarding Alpha Romeo, I would suggest blaming

the builder not the bricks.

Title: Re: Diesel over petrol
Post by wojtekor on Jul 16^th, 2009, 1:24am

the car itself never had any problems, it was the engine and the gearbox that were it's weak points... anyway Waglet, you'll do what you wish but firstly google everything about the engine as it really is crap...

Title: Re: Diesel over petrol
Post by Waglet on Jul 16^th, 2009, 9:31am

Didn't mean to stir up any aggro! My journey to work is only a short one so maybe I'll stick with the petrol! Currently my Scorp is off the road so am driving an Omega 2.5 v6. Its growing on me..... :'(

Title: Re: Diesel over petrol
Post by pinto on Jul 16^th, 2009, 6:05pm

Think you'll find the worst ever diesel engine was that american 6 litre V8 diesel (think it was a GM lump) - capable of providing low teens in fuel economy and delivery a MIGHTY 100bhp in return - its beleived that this engine on its own was resposible for decimating diesel car sales in the US for over 50 years :)... beats the ol' VM lump hands down ;D

From what I know of the 2.5 TD scorps, the owners seem overall happy with their steeds. One day when funds and time allow, i plan to see if i can lever one into the front of a transit :)

Title: Re: Diesel over petrol
Post by Highlander on Jul 16^th, 2009, 7:16pm

on 07/16/09 at 18:05:55, pinto wrote:

From what I know of the 2.5 TD scorps, the owners seem overall happy with their steeds. One day when funds and time allow, i plan to see if i can lever one into the front of a transit :)

Putting a Scorpio diesel in your Transit?

Title: Re: Diesel over petrol
Post by shooshyneman on Jul 16^th, 2009, 9:45pm

I new the diesel ultima was rare, I couldnt find a manual so have an autobox, then another turned up so I have two His & Hers Is that very rare? They both run on diesel, veg oil,waste oil and biofuel, they dont have cam belts or chains, what is there to complain about ! mm! 33mpg perhaps

Title: Re: Diesel over petrol
Post by Highlander on Jul 16^th, 2009, 10:17pm

I would doubt anyone else has two diesel autos! ;D

I've never even seen on in the flesh

Title: Re: Diesel over petrol
Post by pinto on Jul 17^th, 2009, 12:06am

on 07/16/09 at 19:16:55, Highlander wrote:

Putting a Scorpio diesel in your Transit?

Yep... lump in the front, the rest of it cut up in the back to take down the scrapy ;D

Much as I love the old Di, shes a real plodder and the rare turbo diesel Di wasnt much better TBH - thing the VM lump could perk it up a treat :)