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(Message started by: JimmyJaffa on Jul 18^th, 2009, 11:53am)

Title: Daylight running lights
Post by JimmyJaffa on Jul 18^th, 2009, 11:53am

Hi all is it possible to get me daylight running lights working on my scorp? have tried fitting a relay in the hole but no joy. Has anyone done this and how? Many thanks jaffa

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by wojtekor on Jul 18^th, 2009, 5:29pm

i did, by fitting a relay and they worked straight away... maybe contacts in your fusebox need cleaning...

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by pinto on Jul 18^th, 2009, 6:38pm

Go buy a Volvo if you want daytime running lights lol ::)

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Highlander on Jul 18^th, 2009, 6:48pm

on 07/18/09 at 17:29:51, wojtekor wrote:

i did, by fitting a relay and they worked straight away... maybe contacts in your fusebox need cleaning...

Was it a special relay you needed?

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by wojtekor on Jul 18^th, 2009, 6:56pm

got the finis no. somewhere, if i can find it i'll post it. but yes, it took me and Trevor quite a bit of brainstorming a research to figure it out :) Snoopy also suggested a relay which was theoretically the same but it didn't work :/

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Jul 19^th, 2009, 9:54am

Please do post the finis, it's pretty low priority but pretty convenient as lights have to be always on in the nordic countries.

Do you remember approximately what the relay costs?

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Jul 19^th, 2009, 9:57am

on 07/18/09 at 18:38:31, pinto wrote:

Go buy a Volvo if you want daytime running lights lol ::)

There is this joke about Volvos, if you ever go to Sweden you can't help noticing how bad the Volvo lights are. Every second Volvo you see has additional lights fitted. Either that or there's an urge to cover as much as you can of the car.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Jul 19^th, 2009, 11:21am

6153497 it seems to be http://www.elcats.ru/ford/Parts.aspx?Model=84&Group=00F0000C&AtId=26930

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Jul 19^th, 2009, 1:19pm

Where that relay goes?

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Jul 19^th, 2009, 1:40pm

on 07/19/09 at 13:19:31, Tekno wrote:

Where that relay goes?

My memory says the box on the right hand side, not the one besides the battery. A relay will be ordered tomorrow, in the russian link it was only 16 euros, but pices are similar as the FMD prices so i'll get one locally.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Simmo on Jul 19^th, 2009, 2:43pm

Does This wiring diagram (http://cid-eb36f845ea9b8fb6.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/WIRING%20DIAGRAMS/DAYTIME%20RUNNING%20LIGHTS.pdf) help?. ;)

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Snoopy on Jul 20^th, 2009, 6:59am

Be VERY careful what you say about Volvo's I HAVE ONE................ ;)

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by martin_rowe on Jul 20^th, 2009, 8:36am

Dave, that wasnt you at 'the open' yesterday.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Jul 20^th, 2009, 12:24pm

on 07/19/09 at 13:40:41, tlundkvi wrote:

Relay ordered, 14,99e at Ford in Finland.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Jul 20^th, 2009, 12:27pm

on 07/20/09 at 06:59:55, Snoopy wrote:

Be VERY careful what you say about Volvo's I HAVE ONE................ ;)

Sorry if that joke offended you. You can't really believe how common additional lights are in Sweden until you see it, and it's not only volvos.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Highlander on Jul 20^th, 2009, 12:32pm

Its getting a little lost in the translation Torbjörn but I think I know what you mean...

Volvo drivers are dim? }{

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Snoopy on Jul 20^th, 2009, 10:18pm

Its OK Torbjörn Iwas joining in the joke....! ;)

Martin ... NO it wasn't me I was in Aberystwyth all day ;)

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Jul 21^st, 2009, 9:39am

on 07/19/09 at 13:40:41, tlundkvi wrote:

You mean passenger side on LHD ?
Okay, in that fuse box there's two empty relay holders, r22 and r23. I wonder if it's one of those?
I was thinking if relay from granada mk3 fits...

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Jul 21^st, 2009, 11:16am

Relay 14 http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/handbook132.gif

in central fusebox (checked, my memory was wrong)

It's either this or A/C cut off relay (same finis), other relays will not work. The relay from a Scorpio mkI may work, as the same relay has been used in other Ford models.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Jul 23^rd, 2009, 6:13pm

on 07/20/09 at 12:24:33, tlundkvi wrote:

Relay ordered, 14,99e at Ford in Finland.

Hehe I found and bought that relay from ebay. Only 7,99 pounds delivered :D

found with part number 86AG 7K057 AA

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Jul 24^th, 2009, 1:44pm

on 07/23/09 at 18:13:47, Tekno wrote:

Hehe I found and bought that relay from ebay. Only 7,99 pounds delivered :D

found with part number 86AG 7K057 AA

Oh darn :)

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Highlander on Jul 24^th, 2009, 1:53pm

on 07/21/09 at 11:16:54, tlundkvi wrote:

A/C cut off relay (same finis)

So this one is the same?

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Jul 24^th, 2009, 3:00pm

on 07/24/09 at 13:53:55, Highlander wrote:

So this one is the same?

In the ford catalogues, yes. It was the only other one that had the same finis.

http://www.elcats.ru/ford/Parts.aspx?Model=84&Group=00F0000C&AtId=26930

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by auntiephil on Jul 27^th, 2009, 4:19pm

Ive tried this as well with the relay, doesn't work at the moment ,but on the circuit diagram it looks like you have to make a link in the fuse box, called 'country code bus bar' for it to work, i dont know how to do this, anyone?
cheers,phil.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Jul 30^th, 2009, 10:39am

Yea. Doesn't work here either. What on earth is "country code bus bar" ::)

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by auntiephil on Jul 30^th, 2009, 4:49pm

i think its a shorting link in the fuse box that has to be made to activate the relay coil, but i dont know how , hopefully someone will and
advise, phil.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Jul 30^th, 2009, 6:52pm

I tried to "skip" country code bus bar and made a wire to connect battery(+) to relay pin 30.. Nothing changed..

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Jul 30^th, 2009, 6:57pm

on 07/30/09 at 18:52:24, Tekno wrote:

I tried to "skip" country code bus bar and made a wire to connect battery(+) to relay pin 30.. Nothing changed..

Have you checked both when light switch is both in on and off positions? For example (not sure if all are like this) on mine headlights are on only if the engine is running (parking light remain on when engine is shut off), and that is without the relay (haven't got mine from Ford yet).

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Jul 30^th, 2009, 7:09pm

yes..

I think it should work when switch is turned off, because warning bell yells if you open door and lights switch is turned on.

Btw, there is one "link bar" next to relay 14..

It has constant +12V

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Jul 31^st, 2009, 5:04pm

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/headlamps.pdf

This diagram discusses a fuse nr. F18. Do you have one there?

And the relay coil R7? Is that one there as well?

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Jul 31^st, 2009, 7:11pm

Fuse F18 is in place, but
Relay R7 is missing in my fusebox

Anyone know which relay it needs?

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Jul 31^st, 2009, 8:14pm

According to the manual, this relay (R7) would be fitted to UK only, called "dim/dip light". Any ideas what this does for the UK cars, it's not installed on mine either. Finis 6534361? Relay of type A.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Jul 31^st, 2009, 8:39pm

"dim-dip device operates the low beam headlamps (called "dipped beam" in the UK) at between 10 percent and 20 percent of normal low-beam intensity when the position lamps are switched on."

dim/dip = same as these automatical daylight running lights that we're trying to get working?

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Jul 31^st, 2009, 9:25pm

Not necessarily, as daylight running lights can operate on full power up here in the nordic countries. A picture of a nordic driver's side (main) fusebox with factory installed deaylight running lights would be valuable right now, to see all bridges etc. as they should be.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Aug 5^th, 2009, 2:55pm

tlundkvi, have you got your relay ???

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Aug 5^th, 2009, 4:20pm

I don't know what is wrong with Ford spare supply chain nowadays. Been waiting for some small parts for soon a month, some of them even for Escort. So nothing yet.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Aug 10^th, 2009, 6:25pm

on 07/18/09 at 17:29:51, wojtekor wrote:

i did, by fitting a relay and they worked straight away... maybe contacts in your fusebox need cleaning...

Wojtekor, can you please provide photo of your fusebox and/or explain which socket you did fill with relay?

Do you have something in R7 and is there metallic clip used as bridge in your fusebox? PLEEEAAASEE, would be VERY nice to get this feature working ::)

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Aug 15^th, 2009, 7:08am

No-one here has daylight running lights and wants to share information ???

tlundkvi, got your relay yet?

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Aug 18^th, 2009, 5:10pm

on 08/15/09 at 07:08:31, Tekno wrote:

tlundkvi, got your relay yet?

Got it there, contacts clean... But no, does not work here either, maybe the R7 is needed after all...

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by wojtekor on Aug 18^th, 2009, 11:44pm

the relay is r14 as far as i remember. i had nothing in the sockets, freshly rebuilt fusebox, just plugged it in and it was working

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Aug 21^st, 2009, 7:18pm

Anyone reading this, please check if you have relay at R7! And confirm that you have working daylight running lights or not. (R7 is located between those yellow ones shown above) I'd appreciate that, thanks!

on 08/18/09 at 23:44:18, wojtekor wrote:

the relay is r14 as far as i remember. i had nothing in the sockets, freshly rebuilt fusebox, just plugged it in and it was working

But do you have R7 or not ?

Did the relay look like that blue one on picture?

Are you sure you don't have that L -shaped piece of metal?

http://ruohoranta.fi/galleries/sekalaiset/Scorpio-98/_thumbs/700x500-DSC04879.JPG

I removed that "L-bridge" but didn't notice anything.. strange

Anyone reading this, please check if you have relay at R7! And confirm that you have working daylight running lights or not. (R7 is located between those yellow ones shown above) I'd appreciate that, thanks!

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by scorpio_man on Aug 21^st, 2009, 8:28pm

hi there

where are you fitting this new relay? are you fitting it in the glovebox relay holder?

iirc, you should be.

still don't see why there is such a big deal in turning on the lights with the switch! :-/

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Aug 21^st, 2009, 9:40pm

on 08/21/09 at 20:28:54, scorpio_man wrote:

I have fitted relay 14 to central fusebox: http://fordscorpio.co.uk/images/central_fusebox.gif

But I don't know if R7 should be there or not! (Should I order one just to test it?)

please, wojtekor or someone with daylight running lights, could you check and confirm that?

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by scorpio_man on Aug 22^nd, 2009, 11:10am

hi there

maybe i'm reading you wrong, but i'm talking about the relay holders above the glove box INSIDE the car, not in the engine bay.

hth

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Aug 22^nd, 2009, 12:03pm

What about them? There aren't any relays related to lights.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tompion on Aug 22^nd, 2009, 2:26pm

If I'd had daylight running lights, I would've posted a picture by now ;)

I'd be surprised if the dim dip relay was required - but don't know.

I’ve had a look into the busbars mentioned in the Wiring diagram
P103 Country code busbar II rear fog lamps
P105 Country code busbar III front & rear fog lamps
and it seems they are variations of the item in position B in the central fusebox.

Dave

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by scorpio_man on Aug 22^nd, 2009, 4:45pm

hi there

iirc, you put the relay in where the air compressor (old self levelling suspension) relay should be.

hth

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Aug 22^nd, 2009, 4:51pm

How do you know that ???
That's interesting.

Any idea which kind of relay should go there? Same as specified for dim/dip lights AND air compressor? YELLOW one, 90GG 13LO28 AA ?

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Aug 30^th, 2009, 5:06pm

on 08/22/09 at 11:10:59, scorpio_man wrote:

hi there

maybe i'm reading you wrong, but i'm talking about the relay holders above the glove box INSIDE the car, not in the engine bay.

hth

Not possible, there aren't free relay sockets. Only two and both are in use. My car is LHD facelift if that matters.

Relays behind glove box are Blue R31 (Headlamp washer) and Green R37 (Cruise control)

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Sep 25^th, 2009, 8:16pm

on 08/18/09 at 17:10:42, tlundkvi wrote:

Got it there, contacts clean... But no, does not work here either, maybe the R7 is needed after all...

Have you tried R7 yet? I just ordered one.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Sep 25^th, 2009, 9:02pm

No, I was supposed to get one but didn't. Had also a short discussion with a swede having a swe regged one with DTRL as standard. He didn't have R7. Then I was supposed to send a picture of my layout but became preoccupied with other things...

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Oct 6^th, 2009, 10:03am

Finally I fitted that R7 relay.

No any changes. ???

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Oct 6^th, 2009, 10:15am

Has there been anyone but wojtekor (who I believe was trolling) who got this working?

The busbars Tompion mentions can be just to short some connections. My guess these just connect power from the ignition/charging to the relay inputs in question. Messing with these without being 100% sure is pretty risky though. On factory DTRL interior lights need to be set manually from the light switch.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by firebug on Oct 7^th, 2009, 7:40pm

I did. You need to have a Scandinavian fusebox, swap it and there you go. If you already do have it just plug in the missing relay.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Oct 7^th, 2009, 7:55pm

OK, thanks for the info. Any chance you could post a picture of the fusebox, so every bridge etc. is visible? It would sound strange that Ford would produce a completely different box for just one single feature.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by firebug on Oct 7^th, 2009, 8:28pm

The box is the same, the top layer with the slots and bridges is slightly different... Can't post a pic unfortunately, my car is in the UK and I have just moved to Australia...
Don't play with fuseboxes if you're not a specialist... Give it to a garage and they will do it for you.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Oct 7^th, 2009, 8:34pm

Anyway here's mine. So the difference is mostly in those bridges like the L-shaped?

http://www.aijaa.com/img/t/00792/5024929.t.jpg (http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=5024929.jpg)

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tompion on Oct 8^th, 2009, 11:53pm

on 08/22/09 at 14:26:51, Tompion wrote:

I’ve had a look into the busbars mentioned in the Wiring diagram
P103 Country code busbar II rear fog lamps
P105 Country code busbar III front & rear fog lamps
and it seems they are variations of the item in position B in the central fusebox.

Dave

Item B (country code busbar) I mentioned before is the dark brown item to the right of the white one in your picture & above the right hand of the yellow relays.
It's labelled "B" in the fusebox cover.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Oct 9^th, 2009, 9:24am

And the one I got installed has the following text. Definitely from a German country version.

What is good news is 92GG which says Scorpio I/Granada mk3 facelift.

92 GG 14K036 DB
89 71 92 023YA (or D23YA)
II (roman 2)
NSL/(NSL+NSW)

The nordic version has the second row text "89 71 92 D23TA" (unless the Y has been read as a T, and the car is a german import, the info was from a breaker in Sweden), unfortunately I don't have a tech. number handy.

I have asked the local FMD to find out the finis of the nordic version of the part. Tekno, you have a Scorpio I, could you check the corresponding part from that (assume it's nordic from new) if it has DTRL.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Oct 9^th, 2009, 10:17am

Dang

Don't have Granny mk3 anymore :-X

What does that "NSL/(NSL+NSW)" mean ?

Here's my fusebox too.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1525/dsc05016fd.th.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/i/dsc05016fd.jpg/)

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/8360/dsc05017b.th.jpg (http://img207.imageshack.us/i/dsc05017b.jpg/)

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Oct 9^th, 2009, 10:31am

Oh well, the good thing though is that the previous one is a lot more easy to find around our corners. I'll post the progress on the part hunt as soon as I know more.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by joe-satch on Oct 9^th, 2009, 10:52am

theres a site called 'car builder solutions' they have a daylight running light kit for a few pounds.. :)

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Oct 9^th, 2009, 10:57am

In german NSW means Nebelscheinwerfer or fog lights. NSL is Nebel-Schluß-Leuchte (the rear red foglight).

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Oct 9^th, 2009, 2:29pm

on 10/09/09 at 10:52:29, joe-satch wrote:

theres a site called 'car builder solutions' they have a daylight running light kit for a few pounds.. :)

If you mean the one thay sell for £14, it not going to work, it's for led lights that kinda resemble foglights, inside there is just a relay despite the patent label on it. It can be done with two relays (did it once on a Golf mk3), but it's better to do it without jumpwires and additional unsupported methods.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by joe-satch on Oct 9^th, 2009, 5:24pm

tlundkvi,i just saw the ad as i have used 'car builder solutions ' in the past, it would of course be up to the buyer of the kit to be sure thats the kit he wants and its for the job he wanted it for :)

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by workshopboy on Oct 10^th, 2009, 7:55pm

Hi All
Have looked at the autodata diagram for daytime running lights (which i can only find on the LHD diagrams) and according to the diagram it appears that there are four wires missing if the system was never fitted as standard. So i can only assume that fitting a relay in the right place will have no effect. A far as i can see on the diagram the relay needs a a connection from fuse 16 via the headlamp switch on pin 30. a connection on 86 from fuse 15 then 85 has a connection to the combination swith (what ever that is ) at pin 2 and 87a has a connection to fuse 4 via pins 85 on both low beam relays. I have not had time to look on the car yet to see if any of these connections are in place in my fusebox. If anyone has any ideas please post them. This problem seems to be a lot more complex than first thought
???

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Oct 11^th, 2009, 7:51am

Thanks for the info, very nice!

It could be that these connections are handled by the busbar B discussed earlier. I checked with some breakers in Sweden (where original Swedish variants had it as standard), they seem to offer some fuseboxes around 700-800 SEK (around 70-80 euros). But those will be stripped from anything looking more valuable than a fuse :).

I've seen a variant of "B" but hopefully I'll find out the tech. number soon of the scandinavian variant so I can order one and try it out.

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Oct 19^th, 2009, 7:14pm

And it seems the variation of the B item does not concern DTRL :'(

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by scorpio_man on Nov 6^th, 2009, 6:19pm

hi there

found this on the mondeo site.

might be of use, but remember it is for the mk3 mondeo.

http://www.fordmondeo.org/wiki/index.php/Daytime_Running_Lights

hth

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Nov 7^th, 2009, 9:18pm

Sorry for stupid question ??? but what is difference in light switch positions: one step to left and between one step to right ? (From "0")

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by tlundkvi on Nov 7^th, 2009, 10:19pm

on 11/07/09 at 21:18:44, Tekno wrote:

Sorry for stupid question ??? but what is difference in light switch positions: one step to left and between one step to right ? (From "0")

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/handbook016.gif

Title: Re: Daylight running lights
Post by Tekno on Nov 7^th, 2009, 10:42pm

okay

When I put to 'P', only left side parking light (front+rear) are working. and When 1 step to other side from 0, both parking lights (front+rear) are working. Is that how it should be?