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(Message started by: kim on Jul 22^nd, 2009, 9:40pm)

Title: Face-lift model ?
Post by kim on Jul 22^nd, 2009, 9:40pm

Hi all ..........could any one tell me when The face lift model happened in ultimas I own a 30/06/1997 2.9 24v chassis no. WF0FXXGAGFVB84963. Also a 1999 2.3 ultima Parked next to each other I cant see a difference , thanks for any help Kim :)

Title: Re: Face-lift model ?
Post by Tekno on Jul 22^nd, 2009, 9:53pm

http://fordscorpio.co.uk/facelift.htm

that states November 1997

Title: Re: Face-lift model ?
Post by kim on Jul 22^nd, 2009, 10:07pm

Thanks for that..........It gets stranger and stranger The reg on my 2.3 ultima is T798 LJN chassis WFOFXXGAGFVC59641
and is not a Face lift as your link has just shown me ,Although the car was first reg on 09/04/1999 ??????? cheers Kim

Title: Re: Face-lift model ?
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Jul 22^nd, 2009, 10:18pm

Possibly frontal accident damage and replaced with pre-facelift parts ???
Or a late registered pre-facelift ???

Title: Re: Face-lift model ?
Post by gozz on Jul 22^nd, 2009, 11:24pm

kim.
I've got a 1999 S reg 2.3 that is not a facelift,only later parts are a front bumper and headlamps,suppose it had a frontal happening at some stage.Genuine facelift saloons appear to have a centre head restraint in the rear,although first registered 26/1/99,mine hasn't got one,mysterious indeed !
GOZZ.

Title: Re: Face-lift model ?
Post by Gazza_UK on Jul 23^rd, 2009, 12:43am

;)
Dont forget that some cars / models can be standing in the field untill needed and then sent to dealers and by the time they are registered as a new car they could be quite old even by a year or two and as the Scorpio / ultima did not sell well enough this could possably be the case :o

Title: Re: Face-lift model ?
Post by Jonnycab on Jul 23^rd, 2009, 3:45am

As far as I know there were only about 8000 facelifts ever produced & were built from early to mid 1998, & were registered mainly as R or S reg. It's possible that these facelifts sold out pretty quick (new design) & they still had loads of pre-faces left (about 35,000 built), so carried on registering the older ones right up to late 1999 :)

Edit.....It's also a possibility that FMDs may have been selling the older design slightly cheaper than the new design. That might be a reason why there are so many late registered pre-facelifts ;)

Title: Re: Face-lift model ?
Post by Highlander on Jul 23^rd, 2009, 10:24am

facelifts were made from November 97 till June 98

We have seen them registered with R, S, T, V , W and Y reg's although the T, V, W's are rare and we only know of one Y reg (Amigafans)

So your 24v is a prefacelift, your 2.3 was a september 97 build so is also prefacelift, just later registered

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/vinno.htm

digits 12 and 13 give the build date (month and year)

Title: Re: Face-lift model ?
Post by kim on Jul 23^rd, 2009, 3:06pm

Cheers for that ........built Sept 97 did not sell till 4/99.....1 year 7 months later ::) only 4 months difference in age between my two cars one a P plate and the other a T plate now I know how to read the vin I will check on the next one thanks all, Kim

Title: Re: Face-lift model ?
Post by Tons_of_fun on Jul 23^rd, 2009, 10:31pm

WOW :o :o :o. You guys are an absolute mindfield of information. It's quite intresting that around 8000 facelift models were made, but was wondering how specific the info could be broken down to :-/ I.E.....How many of which engine size, body type, colour etc ? Just a thought ::) ;) ;D

Title: Re: Face-lift model ?
Post by Highlander on Jul 23^rd, 2009, 11:23pm

;)

http://cid-0b291354daa191eb.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.Public/Scorpio/Scorpio|_2007.xls

Title: Re: Face-lift model ?
Post by adam on Jul 23^rd, 2009, 11:51pm

Stuart, Is it a mis-print that in 1996 they made ONE Cosworth Manual? ???

Title: Re: Face-lift model ?
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Jul 24^th, 2009, 9:33am

on 07/23/09 at 23:23:24, Highlander wrote:

;)

http://cid-0b291354daa191eb.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/.Public/Scorpio/Scorpio|_2007.xls

Interesting - body types 2CP & 5HT suggest 2-dr coupe and 5-dr hatchback ???

Title: Re: Face-lift model ?
Post by Highlander on Jul 24^th, 2009, 9:38am

on 07/23/09 at 23:51:15, adam wrote:

Stuart, Is it a mis-print that in 1996 they made ONE Cosworth Manual? ???

No, there is one that I know of, it wasnt made like that it was converted but obviously is now registered as a manual, there may me more that havent notified the DVLA.

This list was cars currently on the road in 2007, not those actually built.

Interestingly there is one registered 2005 and one 2007 ;)

Title: Re: Face-lift model ?
Post by lesterlad on Jul 24^th, 2009, 5:18pm

on 07/24/09 at 09:38:14, Highlander wrote:

Interestingly there is one registered 2005 and one 2007 ;)

The one for 2007 gives body style as UKN, what type would that be or could it be abbreviation for unknown?

Title: Re: Face-lift model ?
Post by Highlander on Jul 24^th, 2009, 6:13pm

Possibly, I wondered if was some sort of kit car / donor car maybe

Title: Re: Face-lift model ?
Post by Tons_of_fun on Jul 24^th, 2009, 9:42pm

As said previously, Stuart you are a minefield of information :). If you next produce info on what colours were made with the body types i will have a shrine to you & your god like scorpio knowlege in the cleanest corner of my garage ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Face-lift model ?
Post by Highlander on Jul 24^th, 2009, 11:43pm

actually all that info is in the Ford microcat but so far i've not been able to extract the data