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(Message started by: Stixy on Jul 6^th, 2010, 8:29am)

Title: Mechanicaly Modified Scorpio's ?
Post by Stixy on Jul 6^th, 2010, 8:29am

I am about to do an engine swap on a 96 Scorpio remove the 2.3 & manual box as it has a cracked block after the manifold cracked and previos owner boiled it to the point it stopped and wouldnt run .

I am not fitting another Scorpio engine but a 2.0 DOHC auto out of a J reg Granada . Mechanicaly & electricly it will all bolt together without problem but i am a bit unsure of the dash ? i have read that the ECU stores the vehicle mileage and the speedo doesnt has anybody else had any problems doing conversions ?
thanks

Title: Re: Mechanicaly Modified Scorpio's ?
Post by Tons_of_fun on Jul 6^th, 2010, 1:21pm

Dont know if this helps, but i fitted the speedo from the red scrapper to my last cossie saloon ( just to see what happened ). It displayed the mileage that was true to the scrapper ( not the cossie ). So i guess you could say the speedo stores the mileage.HTH... Craig :-)

Title: Re: Mechanicaly Modified Scorpio's ?
Post by Stixy on Jul 6^th, 2010, 4:13pm

Thats good to hear :)

its just i read it somwhere and i was unsure

Title: Re: Mechanicaly Modified Scorpio's ?
Post by Highlander on Jul 6^th, 2010, 4:48pm

Me too, i think its actually on the site somewhere but dont think its correct

Title: Re: Mechanicaly Modified Scorpio's ?
Post by gozz on Jul 6^th, 2010, 5:24pm

Stixy.
I put the panel(low series with no computer)out of a Cossie limo into a 12v limo,the panel retained the Cossie mileage.
GOZZ.

Title: Re: Mechanicaly Modified Scorpio's ?
Post by Stixy on Jul 6^th, 2010, 7:50pm

Oh well i will find out soon :)

2.3 manual is out

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q289/the_fomoco_kid/SN858708.jpg

And the 2.0 Auto is waiting

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q289/the_fomoco_kid/SN858703.jpg

Title: Re: Mechanicaly Modified Scorpio's ?
Post by gozz on Jul 6^th, 2010, 8:31pm

Stixy.
Have you got the gear box electrics sorted,is it the old A4LD ? if not I would think there could be considerable complexity.I see it has the mechanical speedo drive,so imagine it is the old box.
GOZZ.

Title: Re: Mechanicaly Modified Scorpio's ?
Post by Stixy on Jul 6^th, 2010, 8:41pm

I have the complete EEC-IV engine/auto box loom from the J reg . it was a twin fusebox model and it uses the same plugs in the battery fusebox that the 2.3 does so it will just plug in just a few wires to sort behind the dash .
The engine in the pic is from a H reg Sierra it has done less miles than the Granada engine .it uses a vss and a mechanical speedo so its just a case of using an old vss to plug the extra hole and fit a drive pinion from a 2.3 autobox to the other vss then the selector and rod from the J reg .

Because the engine i am using is from a H reg car it wont need a Cat

Title: Re: Mechanicaly Modified Scorpio's ?
Post by gozz on Jul 6^th, 2010, 8:46pm

Going catless has got to be a bonus,will it be OK at the MOT place having a later reg number ?
GOZZ.

Title: Re: Mechanicaly Modified Scorpio's ?
Post by Highlander on Jul 6^th, 2010, 8:49pm

I FINK the emissions testing depends on the engine rather than the car so it would be tested as an H reg engine

Title: Re: Mechanicaly Modified Scorpio's ?
Post by Stixy on Jul 6^th, 2010, 8:51pm

My MOT man says it goes on the age of the engine . As long as the engine didnt come out of anything newer than a K reg it wont need a cat test

Title: Re: Mechanicaly Modified Scorpio's ?
Post by Stixy on Jul 7^th, 2010, 7:06pm

I removed the 2.3 engine loom today and fitted the Granada engine loom . All the fusebox plugs were the same but the multiplugs inside are different so i made up a lead to connect the three together .

All the dash works as it should and it shows the same mileage as before so it seems the mileage info is stored in the dash on 16v models

Title: Re: Mechanicaly Modified Scorpio's ?
Post by Stixy on Aug 21^st, 2010, 7:39pm

Its in :)

Not quite the nut & bolt fit job that i thought it would be but they never are .

A tip for anybody if converting a manual to auto if the car has a three piece propshaft remove the extra mounts before fitting the engine & box

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q289/the_fomoco_kid/SN859084.jpg

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q289/the_fomoco_kid/SN859093.jpg

Still a few bits to do yet .

Title: Re: Mechanicaly Modified Scorpio's ?
Post by Stixy on Aug 22^nd, 2010, 2:12pm

It runs :)

everything seems to be ok apart from the rev counter is reading aprox 800-1000 rpm faster than it should be

The only difference i can see is the car now has a single ignition coil instead of 2 coilpacks .

Anybody any idea's

Title: Re: Mechanicaly Modified Scorpio's ?
Post by Matt on Aug 22^nd, 2010, 5:15pm

ive read some where that cars with the dissy cap do run faster then the Edis systems, cant remember if it should be that much though

Title: Re: Mechanicaly Modified Scorpio's ?
Post by Stixy on Aug 22^nd, 2010, 7:17pm

on 08/22/10 at 17:15:14, Matt wrote:

ive read some where that cars with the dissy cap do run faster then the Edis systems, cant remember if it should be that much though

Hi Matt thanks for the reply . the engine tickover is fine its steady and sounds about right for this type of engine its jus the erratic high reading rev counter thats the problem . I have looked through the wiring diagrams and all engines except the 4 cylinder have an engine type resister in the engine loom i guess this is what tells the dash which engine is fitted .

Title: Re: Mechanicaly Modified Scorpio's ?
Post by Stixy on Aug 22^nd, 2010, 7:19pm

I have tried 3 sets of clocks and there all the same

Title: Re: Mechanicaly Modified Scorpio's ?
Post by Matt on Aug 22^nd, 2010, 7:54pm

have you tried fitting the crank sensor off the old 2.3?

Title: Re: Mechanicaly Modified Scorpio's ?
Post by Stixy on Aug 22^nd, 2010, 8:18pm

on 08/22/10 at 19:54:41, Matt wrote:

have you tried fitting the crank sensor off the old 2.3?

There different so are the trigger wheels on the crank .

The signal from the crank sensor to the ecu and ecu to TFi module is fine . Its just the Scorpio dash cant make sense of the signal its getting from the coil . i am going to try a variable resister in the rev counter feed to see if it makes a difference