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(Message started by: The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Jan 8^th, 2011, 9:03pm)

Title: Scorpio Estate, rear seat squab removal.
Post by The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Jan 8^th, 2011, 9:03pm

Hi to you all out there. Does anyone out there know how to remove the rear seat squab (take it out of the car) on the Estate Car?. The whole of the lower front edge of the upholstery from side to side has come away from the channel that it is fitted into. The lower leading edge has a heavy cardboard type strip sewn to it,this fits into a channel,very similar to the 60's Mercedes style of doing things. I have;in the past trimmed cars as part of my trade,but the seats and panels etc have been often been delivered,having already been removed. I have never removed them from this model of car before and wish to avoid removing the backrest assembly if at all possible. It appears to be mounted at the front on two hinged fixings that double-up as the rear floor lights these would permit it to hinge forward,this does not occur with the converting from carrying passengers to creating a long load space/deck. Your Pearls of Wisdom would be appreciated.

Title: Re: Scorpio Estate, rear seat squab removal.
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Jan 8^th, 2011, 9:18pm

The lower part of the estate seats do lift up and hinge forward - or at least mine do !
Put your hand down the back of the squab, grab firmly and pull - it is a bit tight.
I found this out when one of the rear seat belt buckles 'vanished' ;)

Title: Re: Scorpio Estate, rear seat squab removal.
Post by scorpio_man on Jan 8^th, 2011, 9:20pm

hi there

yep, your at the right bits.

just un bolt them and it will lift out.

re refitting the trim. pop it back in the channel and close up the channel with a hammer.

hth

Title: Re: Scorpio Estate, rear seat squab removal.
Post by gozz on Jan 8^th, 2011, 9:21pm

Four 10mm bolts hold the seat on,two each side through the front of the hinges.
The detachment of the trim is not uncommon,it needs glueing back or it just eventually falls off again.
GOZZ.

Title: Re: Scorpio Estate, rear seat squab removal.
Post by The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Jan 8^th, 2011, 9:43pm

Hi guys,thank you for your rapid responses. Come daylight and hopefully a little warmer than today, I will investigate. I asked because I wanted to avoid the inevitable 10minute job that becomes a major strip-down and the wish I had never started this at the time that I had chosen. Regards & Thank You again.

Title: Re: Scorpio Estate, rear seat squab removal.
Post by Tompion on Jan 8^th, 2011, 10:13pm

A length of 1.5mm mains lighting cable banged into the channel holds the cover a treat :)

Title: Re: Scorpio Estate, rear seat squab removal.
Post by The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Jan 8^th, 2011, 11:01pm

on 01/08/11 at 22:13:55, Tompion wrote:

A length of 1.5mm mains lighting cable banged into the channel holds the cover a treat :)

Yep,spot on. I had figured that the channel was way to wide but turning upside down in the back of the car achieved only a rush of blood to the grey-cells.

Title: Re: Scorpio Estate, rear seat squab removal.
Post by Simmo on Jan 9^th, 2011, 8:23am

on 01/08/11 at 22:13:55, Tompion wrote:

A length of 1.5mm mains lighting cable banged into the channel holds the cover a treat :)

Another 'Tompio Mod'.... ;D ;D

Title: Re: Scorpio Estate, rear seat squab removal.
Post by Mike H on Jan 10^th, 2011, 4:39pm

on 01/08/11 at 21:18:21, Scorpio_Mike wrote:

And the saloons also. ;D

There's supposed to be a loop at each rear corner to grab hold of and pull, but they can tend to get lost down the back as well.

Title: Re: Scorpio Estate, rear seat squab removal.
Post by The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Jan 12^th, 2011, 11:01am

on 01/10/11 at 16:39:25, Mike H wrote:

And the saloons also. ;D

There's supposed to be a loop at each rear corner to grab hold of and pull, but they can tend to get lost down the back as well.

Hi Mike & to you all. On my 97 2.3 Estate there are no Tug Loops as is the case with the Saloon. I have nearly bust my guts trying to pull the rear edge upwards,even with the downward pressure of the lower part of the backrests removed by partial dropping of the load deck it is not any easier. There are no obvious screws/bolts through tabs holding the rear edge down to the floor pan either. I am beginning to think that the backrest cantilever mechanisms have got to be removed from both sides of the car to give access from behind with no hindrance from any thing else. Any comments/observations would be appreciated.

Title: Re: Scorpio Estate, rear seat squab removal.
Post by Highlander on Jan 12^th, 2011, 11:29am

Definitely nothing holding the seatbase down at the rear, it just sits there on the front hinges held on by 4 x large headed Phillips type screws.

Some are very tight and difficult to pull up as you are experiencing but it WILL lift with a bit more persuasion ;D

Title: Re: Scorpio Estate, rear seat squab removal.
Post by lesterlad aka Rodders on Jan 12^th, 2011, 1:31pm

As Highlander says......there are no bolts / screws holding the seat down at the back....unless someone has done a modification.
I have had my rear seat (estate) up a few times to retrieve the odd penny that has been lost down there by ..........my grandkids. ;)

Title: Re: Scorpio Estate, rear seat squab removal.
Post by The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Jan 12^th, 2011, 5:12pm

Hi to you all that had an input into this post. Job done,thank you all. Ford created the problem by the way that the retaining edge is not folded back slightly,this would have been a simple additional process in the forming press that the pan was created in,it is perpendicular to the base line of the seat. A piece of 4mm electrical wire tapped home with a narrow Cold Chisel and then the edge curled over a little with a Dead Blow Mallet got it sorted. Tight is an understatement,going back down was easier than I expected and retrieving the Seat Belt locking heads was done by first pushing them under the bottom of the backrests and then fishing them out. Thanks again.

Title: Re: Scorpio Estate, rear seat squab removal.
Post by Mike H on Jan 14^th, 2011, 2:57pm

Bit of a QC oversight at the factory? I suppose the seat back stuffing isn't over thick for some reason?

If you could find a passing gorilla to pull it up and down a couple of hundred times it might get more used to the idea ;D

Title: Re: Scorpio Estate, rear seat squab removal.
Post by Highlander on Jan 14^th, 2011, 3:06pm

There seems to be a big variance in them, some lift easily, some really dont! ;D

Title: Re: Scorpio Estate, rear seat squab removal.
Post by Highlander on Jan 14^th, 2011, 3:19pm

Just as an afterthought Rooster (sorry, dunno your name).....

Does your rear seat base look like this?

http://i51.tinypic.com/kcgk29.jpg

The saloon doesnt have the bulbous part at the rear centre below the armrest.

NOW.... seeing as your car is at least 13 years old now, it may be possible the rear seat base has been replaced at some point. (kids/dogs/cigarette burns/keys/screwdrivers etc)

The saloon seat base is around 2 inches deeper, front to back than the estate version which would make it a VERY tight fit if a saloon base were fitted in an estate and may also contribute to the seat cover coming off, although a lot of them do that...

My middle name's Columbo! ;D

Title: Re: Scorpio Estate, rear seat squab removal.
Post by Mike H on Jan 14^th, 2011, 4:13pm

Nicely deduced Watson...

Title: Re: Scorpio Estate, rear seat squab removal.
Post by The Rooster in the Scorpio. on Jan 14^th, 2011, 7:39pm

on 01/14/11 at 15:19:52, Highlander wrote:

Hi D Columbo Highlander.Yes my rear seat squab is identical.Indeed with out a tape measure to confirm I believe that the backrest is the same as that in the saloon. What I cannot get my head around is why the saloon has the pull loops to lift the seat squab and be able to drop the backrests down to give a flat load space and creating an upright barrier to any items loaded in the car. The bump in the middle rear of the Estate Car Seat does not create the problem in the raising of the back edge, it is simply that the seat is such a tight fit at the extreme ends;the only position that you stand a chance of raising the squab. The backrests on the Estate Car will not go flat, therefore the load space is not flat-as is created in the saloon. As nice and all the 'rest of it' that the Scorpio is,is this just another flaw in the Scorpio Portfolio.