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(Message started by: Tompion on Feb 25^th, 2012, 2:03am)

Title: Airbag light
Post by Tompion on Feb 25^th, 2012, 2:03am

With the changes coming with regard the airbag light & MOT’s I thought I’d better have a look at mine as it tends to be more on than off now.

I also had problems with the cruise light (I have seen other posts with cruise control light problems a while back over on the mailing list).
I did find problems with faulty solder joints for those 2 plug connections in my instrument cluster & soldering them does seem to have fixed them although it’s too soon to tell really as I only did it 3 days/100miles ago.

Trouble is it’s difficult to see why it should only affect these 2 pins - although I might be able to argue a case for it :)

You can just about see cracks in the solder in the picture.
Since it tends to be an intermittent fault I was planning to wait a few weeks to see if it comes back before posting a guide, but if anyone’s desperate to try & sort it for their MOT let me know and I’ll write it up.

http://i.imgur.com/JwOhQjh.jpg

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by Snoopy on Feb 25^th, 2012, 8:35am

The quality of the solder joints on the circuit boards on the Scorpio has ALWAYS been in question and I tend to agree with your synopsis of the problem and its likely cause and effect. Well done.

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by Dave2302 on Mar 10^th, 2012, 7:06am

2n 'ded ;)

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by GrahamT on Mar 13^th, 2012, 5:04am

3rded cos I've just resoldered the rear of my instrument cluster and my flickery, more on than off air bag light is now working correctly!! ;D
Thanks a lot for the advice!

Actually, how anything worked at all on my cluster is amazing, the soldering was so bad!
Well worth doing a write up for the site.
All the best,
Graham

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by Scorp_Kev on Mar 13^th, 2012, 6:47am

I also have a flickery. How difficult to get the dash out to solder. Thanks

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by Simmo on Mar 13^th, 2012, 7:57am

The details are in This section (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/fasciabulbs.htm).. Remember Gozz's advice recently and make sure you 'drop' the steering wheel to its lowest level. Also heed the advice about CAREFULLY releasing the plastic clips. :)

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by Scorp_Kev on Mar 13^th, 2012, 8:17am

Phew. Not easy ???

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by Tompion on Mar 13^th, 2012, 8:30am

Once you’ve got the instrument cluster out you need to unplug the circuit board, if you click on the first picture towards the bottom of the page in this link:
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/coolanttempgauge.htm

the 2 pins shown in my earlier post are in the area of the blue wire you can see to the right of the board (mine doesn’t have the blue wire so that may be something he’s added).
I can email you a PDF with more details if you want.

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by leewar on Mar 13^th, 2012, 9:50am

Looks like my mate's flickering cruise light is a soldering problem then ::) Oh well, better tell him.

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by Tompion on Mar 13^th, 2012, 12:02pm

Cruise uses a light bulb not an led so might be that on it's way out.
Not that I found it a problem when it worked when it felt like it - I usually know when it's engaged.

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by Tompion on Mar 13^th, 2012, 12:47pm

Looking at some of the pictures I took, there’s a big heat sink close to the airbag pin.
Assuming the solder joint proves to be my problem, the heat sink heating up the board may explain why my airbag light often didn’t come on for a few miles.

http://i.imgur.com/NImtXIU.jpg

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by GrahamT on Mar 13^th, 2012, 6:57pm

I didn't think getting the instrument cluster out was too bad. There are a fair few bits and pieces to remove but be methodical and it's straightforward really.
The panel on the lower right doesn't have to be completely removed. Take the 2 torx bolts out on the right (next to the door card) and the 2 screws in the top of the little cubby hole and then just let the panel hang there.
The hardest bit was getting the "walnut" bit out the way. It was much easier with the air vent on the right hand side removed. There are 3 smaller screws holding it in. 2 are easy to see, the third simply makes the triangle and can be done by feel. Put this one back in last when rebuilding, the other 2 will ensure the hole is in the right place. A short cross head screwdriver does the job.
I did the entire job sunday night monday morning in about 2 hours, not particularly rushing it.
Well, it was a slow night at work :-)
Good luck,
Graham

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by Technology2005 on Mar 20^th, 2012, 12:16pm

I've had a flickering airbag light for a few months on and off (pun not intended) so following on from this excellent post I thought I'd have a look at the instrument cluster.

Lo and behold the exact same pins have cracked solder joints as well as the two adjacent rows as well!

As Tompion says you cannot see the cracks with the naked eye but I used a USB microscope at work and spotted the cracks right away.

I've resoldered them and will update on whether this cures the fault when I put it all back together...

Firstly I'm going to go get some new instrument cluster bulbs ;D

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by Lazenby43 on May 20^th, 2012, 1:20pm

My light came on sometimes after hitting a bump. I took the instrument panel off (followed the instructions in the links above)and cleaned up the connector with a cotton bud and some alcohol fluid. I've had no repeat of the problem since. I think the act of removing and replacing the plug probably had a part to play?

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by Tompion on May 22^nd, 2012, 12:02pm

Hopefully that will be the cure for yours, however cleaning the pins on mine would work for a while but the problem always returned – but that’s not surprising as they were never dirty or corroded.

Since soldering the pins I’ve had no problems, it’s by far the longest period I’ve ever had the airbag & cruise lights working correctly.

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by bernard_slade on Mar 19^th, 2013, 2:03pm

i am now chasing airbag light troubles --started with 4 flashes replaced pyro tensioners and fixed that then 1 flash said driver airbag replaced that and taped the connector to airbag plug to stop it falling out again as it had with both airbags success flashing light gone but after starting up the light extinguishes with all the others and after a few minutes comes on as a steady light--remembering the diesel overheat warning light that was always on even when engine was icy cold that i only solved by removing the bulb i am drifting towards the idea that both may be due to the instrument cluster solder problems mentioned on this post. my first thought is to try to get a replacemen t cluster but of course it has to be a diesel one but remembering the advice i read somewhere on here that the cluster must be kept upright not laid face down i wonder physically why this is and how on earth could i buy one on ebay and hope it survived the royal mail . anyone know about this factor and has anyone transported one? so far i have only seen a cosworth one advertised and i dont think a petrol one would be any use to me. i dont feel i want to risk trying to repair my one in case i end up doing more harm than good without a back up cluster available-any ideas or guidance would be appreciated

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by amigafan2003 on Mar 19^th, 2013, 2:45pm

It shouldn't be laid down as the needles fall off :-)

Not a drama though - you just then have to remove pklastic front and put them back on - might have to play with the positioning though as the readings can be out a smidge.

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by Tompion on Mar 19^th, 2013, 7:58pm

I’ve had one posted to me & it didn’t seem to suffer although it was a little oily on the circuit board. The reason for not laying it down is the damping oil can leak out, the needles don’t fall off.

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by bernard_slade on Mar 20^th, 2013, 2:11am

ok thanks for the info

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by Tompion on Mar 20^th, 2013, 12:22pm

Bernard,

The airbag plug will fit either way, however one way when you blow the horn it can be levered off by a lug on the wheel.
Here's the airbag plug positioned above the lug that can lever it off.

http://i.imgur.com/VZHa50i.jpg

An update on soldering the board, the airbag light & the cruise light have performed faultlessly ever since I soldered it.
I’ve also found the mode switch always works now when changing from imperial to metric etc – previously it wouldn’t always work. So it looks like it’s also fixed that.

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by bernard_slade on Mar 20^th, 2013, 2:55pm

i think that was my first problem because initially the horn wasnt working either now it does but lifting the airbag again shows the lead still in place on the airbag so my problem is elsewhere but your observation will be remembered next time i access the airbag

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by Technology2005 on Jul 7^th, 2016, 9:19pm

Well this fault has also occurred on my other Scorpio and as expected it is the same old cracked solder joints as detailed above by Tompion.

For the record the repair I did 4 years ago to the solder joints has cured the problem completely...no more flickering air bag light!

One less issue to cause problems in the upcoming MOTs (both Scorpios next week.... yikes) ;)

David

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by tve on Aug 21^st, 2016, 5:21pm

Replaced the instrument cluster (cost). Works now good.

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by tve on Aug 21^st, 2016, 5:25pm

Opened ABC controller, propyl contacts of the connector. Works now good. Was a mistake С1145; С1234. Brazing pin 3 is bad.

Title: Re: Airbag light
Post by tve on Aug 21^st, 2016, 5:26pm

Opened ABC controller, propyl contacts of the connector. Works now good. Was the fault C1145; C1234. Brazing pin 3 is bad.