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(Message started by: munder on Mar 26^th, 2012, 7:51pm)

Title: How to get power from the engine bay into the main
Post by munder on Mar 26^th, 2012, 7:51pm

Hello
I'm the proud owner of a Ford Cardinal hearse (essentially a stretched Scorpio), which I want to turn into not exactly a camper van, but something for a couple of nights out.
I need to get power from the battery in the engine bay to the leisure battery in what I suppose is called the passenger compartment (though none of them was ever aware of being a passenger).
I'm stumped. I can see that there is a hole (closed by a rubber bung) behind the battery. I can shove a cable through the acoustic damping material inside the hole to a length of around 40cm and then it hits something.
From inside the car I can't see the cable, so I'm assuming I'll need to take out the entire dash or whatever it's called because I need somehow to get behind the glove compartment to see what's going on.
I've scoured this amazing site for advice, but converting hearses seems to be a surprising omission, so any advice from you experts would be very welcome.
Thanks,
Mick

Title: Re: How to get power from the engine bay into the
Post by Simmo on Mar 26^th, 2012, 8:54pm

Wait till Gozz sees your post. He's sure to have an idea!. ;)

Title: Re: How to get power from the engine bay into the
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Mar 26^th, 2012, 10:03pm

Seen a few old hearses down in Cornwall - popular with the surfing community ;)

Title: Re: How to get power from the engine bay into the
Post by munder on Mar 26^th, 2012, 10:54pm

I can't even swim, I'm afraid. Anyway, at my age, it won't be long before it reverts to its original use. Should save my kids a few quid.
Mick

Title: Re: How to get power from the engine bay into the
Post by gozz on Mar 26^th, 2012, 11:23pm

If you slip the clips off the glovebox retainers,then pull the box straight out,you will get a clear view of the power control module and central control module which are usually more or less hidden,the loom from the PCM goes through a grommet into the engine bay below the battery,you should be able to go through there.
Have you removed the coffin deck to fit sleeping accommodation ? if you have, the deck is saleable to fit into a removal van or estate car.
GOZZ.

Title: Re: How to get power from the engine bay into the
Post by Simmo on Mar 27^th, 2012, 7:21am

If you do go through the grommet make sure it is not disturbed from its seating. This is often the cause of water getting in to the car from behind the fusebox and it then runs all over the PCM . Not good!!. ::)

Title: Re: How to get power from the engine bay into the
Post by munder on Mar 27^th, 2012, 8:58am

Great stuff! Thank you for the detailed advice. I'll give it a go as soon as I have time.
Gozz, I was told I could sell the deck, but quite liked it, so simply cut out the middle bit, giving me a narrow corridor between cupboards on each side, which are under the remaining bits of deck. 'Sleeping accommodation' is overstating it a bit - just camping, but under steel instead of canvas.
Mick

Title: Re: How to get power from the engine bay into the
Post by munder on Mar 27^th, 2012, 7:20pm

That was so easy, thanks to you guys. I was amazed to discover there's even a flap I can drop down to see and reach in. My other car's an old Audi S2 and I must say that Ford seem to have put much more thought into convenient design. Maybe Audi thought if you could afford an S2, then you could afford to pay somebody else to work on it.
Anyway, thanks for all your help.
Mick

Title: Re: How to get power from the engine bay into the
Post by Simmo on Mar 28^th, 2012, 7:42am

Having discovered that you may like to look at This (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/battery.htm) as it shows how to remove the panel in the engine bay to access the battery and ensure the drain holes are clear in order to prevent any water build up below the fusebox. ;)

Title: Re: How to get power from the engine bay into the
Post by munder on Mar 29^th, 2012, 4:09pm

Hmm, yes, I see what you mean. The S2's battery is easily accessible from the back and held in place by a simple strap.

Title: Re: How to get power from the engine bay into the
Post by Mike H on Apr 3^rd, 2012, 1:13pm

Has this been done yet? Only I was thinking of find out about getting power from off what would normally be the cigar lighter output from the fusebox? I presume a hearse version still has the cigar ligher in the front? ;D

Title: Re: How to get power from the engine bay into the
Post by Simmo on Apr 6^th, 2012, 6:30am

munder. Please see your PM's. :)

Title: Re: How to get power from the engine bay into the
Post by munder on Apr 6^th, 2012, 3:16pm

Done to the extent that the cables are in place. I need the local garage to crimp the terminals on. Thanks to the advice I received here, it turned out to be surprisingly straightforward.
The hearse has a fag lighter in the ashtray and also one at the back of the centre console (Thanks, Simmo) in case the bearers want to light up.
-Mick

Title: Re: How to get power from the engine bay into the
Post by Mike H on Apr 9^th, 2012, 5:00pm

So you're going to get it via either of those?

Title: Re: How to get power from the engine bay into the
Post by munder on Apr 9^th, 2012, 8:45pm

No. I have a split charge relay (at least I think that's what it's called) and needed to get leads diect from the starter battery to that. The relay is mounted next to a leisure battery behind the driver's seat where one of the coffin bearers used to sit.

I followed Gozz's advice above, with the exception that I discovered a rubber bung in a hole directly behind the battery, rather than a grommet beneath it. I fed the cables through that.

Thanks to Gozz'z advice re. removing the glove box, I was able to see them clearly and grab hold of them.

I then fed them behind the plastic cladding stuff at the bottom of the passenger door and then across to the leisure battery. Feeding them across to the leisure battery on the driver's side was very easy because the coffin bearers' seats were raised, so there's lot of empty space under where they used to be. I don't know what that last bit would correspond to on a non-hearse Scorpio. I suppose perhaps without that raised part (with nothing underneath it) I would have had to feed the cables behind the dash somehow over to the driver's side.

-Mick