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Title: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Dave2302 on Jun 24th, 2012, 11:16am Hi Guys, I can now say definitely 100% I can rebuild BOB Cosworth Water Pumps succesfully, as I've finally got round to sourcing the correct parts and pressing an old unit apart, rebuilding it and installing it on an engine to make sure its all fine :D Cost is £140 plus P+P and you need to send me a good pump casting to rebuild as core units are thin on the ground now ;) If yours has play or is leaking, don't drive it to death, because if the bearing breaks up and it damages the casting it will not be re buildable :'( Regards Dave |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Simmo on Jun 24th, 2012, 12:03pm Dave. Thank you for that. I'll leave your post here for now but will eventually move it to a permanent home in How to do Things. :) |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Mike H on Jun 24th, 2012, 3:39pm Well done Dave. ;D |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Glyn on Jun 24th, 2012, 11:06pm Brilliant Dave a bit too late to stop my bank manager weeping at the last episode of Ford's replacement but as I now have two old pumps and two cossies I may be in touch soon to have a ready spare (pension allowing !) Well done Glyn |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by adam on Jun 24th, 2012, 11:48pm Good work Dave. However, new ones are listed at £67. See here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130564828061?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D130564828061%26_rdc%3D1#ht_2534wt_1162 |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Simmo on Jun 25th, 2012, 7:26am I feel sure Dave will confirm BUT is this not from the Granada Scorpio?. We've had this problem before with parts suppliers. :-/ |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Matt on Jun 25th, 2012, 8:15am it does look like the boa/ 12v pump that |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Simmo on Jun 25th, 2012, 9:15am That's what I thought Matt. Any more views?. |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Dave2302 on Jun 25th, 2012, 10:24am LOL, I was waiting for someone to post that up ;D That is definitely a BOA / 12V Pump NO ONE makes a pattern BOB Pump, despite the claims of the parts catalogue................ they were Ford only at £160 plus and now they are No Longer Available................... Otherwise I wouldn't have bothered ;D Cheers Dave |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Matt on Jun 25th, 2012, 10:24am this is the BOB pump http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Cosworth-bob-water-pump-genuine-ford-scorpio-new-/190691379861?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2c66178a95 |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by adam on Jun 25th, 2012, 11:19am If that is the 12v Germany have this at £188 www.vogel-hechingen.de/shop/a/FORD-OE-und-ID-Teile/ARTIKEL-REGISTER-von-A-bis-Z/Wasserpumpe/Wasserpumpe/Wasserpumpe-Ford-Scorpio-29-Ltr-Cosworth.html,80647,17,10,21456,0,0,0,0 |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Dave2302 on Jun 25th, 2012, 6:16pm Hi Adam, I've tried ordering them before and a 12V / BOA pump is what gets supplied.................... The one in your link is a genuine Ford one, which are no longer manufactured, and AFAIK no dealers in UK have any stock, but certainly soon the stock will run out ;) Point is now I couldn't care less, I don't earn a living from re building water pumps ;D I'm retired ;D If you want to muck around ordering pumps and get the wrong ones, in an effort to save a couple of shillings then fine, loads of guys have fallen prey to these wrong listings, we've done the subject to death on here,.......... I can rebuild them, good as new for £140 with new bearing, seal, impellor and flange, cost of parts is around £80 and they take a couple of hours to do. If thats not acceptable, don't bother pm'ing me, just play the game and keep getting sent the wrong one ;) Dave |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by adam on Jun 25th, 2012, 6:34pm You pay your money you have a choice new or rebuild. I would go new every time. If the price is even a little more or even the same. |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by PJDavis on Jun 25th, 2012, 6:51pm I think I'd go for re-build by a professional. :D I'm a professional engineer myself albeit heavy engineering, and would always take a re-build of something like a water-pump or Alternator/Starter-motor over a new item, if done properly it's better than new in my experience. I used to demonstrate the re-building of steering-racks, aye shimming them up properly, and you should see the rubbish that comes from the factory as supposed box-new! |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Dave2302 on Jun 25th, 2012, 7:01pm LOL @ PJD Adam, I agree, I'd buy new every time, but Ford are no longer making / supplying them, so all that is left is old stock.................. When it's gone it's gone, and I'll bet the Germans don't have that many left on the shelves.................. That is why I took the trouble to strip an old unit and find a supplier of the bearing / spindle annd the seal assemblys, and also make up the neccesary jigs to press them apart / together nicely.............. Beleive me your local bearing / seal company can't get the parts !! Dave |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by adam on Jun 25th, 2012, 8:52pm Yes Dave, I agree with you stock levels are pretty much non-existent in the UK. Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining, far from it. It's the same scenario with the wishbones. You can still pick them up in Germany for £77 but for how long is anyone's guess. Yet, I have seen them selling in the UK for over £150. Anyway Dave, as I said previously thanks for putting the time into this. Adam |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Simmo on Jun 26th, 2012, 6:32am on 06/25/12 at 20:52:18, adam wrote:
Now there is the next project for you talented engineers! ;D |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Jeff on Jun 26th, 2012, 12:17pm Could you please remind us where the wishbones can be found. Thanks in advance..... Sounds like you've gone to a lot of trouble Dave, so if I need a pump in the future I'll certainly have one of yours. Good effort mate, sooner or later somebody will be very grateful, I'm sure. |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by adam on Jun 26th, 2012, 5:34pm See here, now £68 http://www.parts2go.de/Achsaufhaengung-Radfuehrung/Lenker/Lenkerlagerung/Lenker-Quer-Laengs-Schraeg-/Lenker-Radaufhaengung-QUINTON-HAZELL::849270-5747.html |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Jeff on Jun 26th, 2012, 10:07pm Thanks Adam...looks like a bargain! Think I'll have a couple for 'stock'. |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Simmo on Jun 27th, 2012, 7:12am Gentlemen. As stated earlier I intend to move the original post to How to do Things. I will also transfer the 'Wishbone' entry to the same section. ;) |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by whentostop on Sep 25th, 2012, 2:54pm on 06/25/12 at 10:24:25, Dave2302 wrote:
Bought one today - FINIS 1518114 so you can still get them - bad news is they are 250 quid, So this refurb is a real bargain... |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by chris5090 on Oct 2nd, 2012, 9:14pm Are you still doing these? I sent a PM but no reply so just checking ;) |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Andycan on Jan 13th, 2014, 2:34pm I am replacing my waterpump on my 24v very slowly due to the weather and bad back lol. I am also replacing as much of the pipework and wiring as I can as I have everything in pieces. I have seen the replacement diagrams for the thermostat but where is the pipe it goes in? Is it the bottom hose on the nearside to the radiator? If so how do you get there? lol |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Simmo on Jan 13th, 2014, 3:29pm Send a PM to Pegasus. I think this is just exactly what he has just done as he had a hose burst. IF I am right he was saying the other day when we met that he had to remove the power steering pump bracket to get to it and that in itself was a pig!. :( UPDATE:- Have a look at This article (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/replacestat.htm) and see if that helps. |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Andycan on Jan 13th, 2014, 6:20pm Thanks Simmo looks like ford made a good car with the scorpio but made it almost impossible for anyone to work on them lol. Just thought I would put new stat in or maybe non at all whilst doing the waterpump and aux belts but might be better to wait till the weather is a bit better as I am doing it in the open on my drive. |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Simmo on Jan 14th, 2014, 8:09am Andy. I personally would say here it's a case of the old addage "If it ain't broke don't fix it" !. ;D Paul said it took him half a day to get at the thing and another half a day to put it all back together!. ;) |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Andycan on Jan 14th, 2014, 8:46am I would normaly agree but as this 24v has no service history and seemed to be in a fairly bad state when I got her and I remember the seller saying it had to have a new radiator 9 years ago due to ballooning I don't want to tempt fate. The more I look under the bonnet the more very bad bodge up jobs so would like to replace as much as I can so I only have to strip it down once rather than several times as my health is deteriating and I might not be able to do it again. |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Simmo on Jan 14th, 2014, 11:13am I understand Andy. Good luck and I'm sure Paul (Pegasus) will offer his advice. :) |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Pegasus on Jan 19th, 2014, 6:28pm Hi Andy, just seen this (been away). When you look at the Ford manual (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/manual/cooling/WaterPump24v.pdf) for changing water pump the 'lower hose' is a short thing with a 90 degree turn in it that goes onto the t'stat. This is the hose that recently split on my cossie. To get to this you need to follow the advice given by Baz (Simmo's link) from the bit on "The removal of the air con compressor…" as the 1st part is removing rad. You need to take out the air hose between filter housing and inlet manifold to give you better access, then remove air con belt and the tensioner. You'll need to disconnect the compressor (4 bolts) from it's bracket (Ford advice is disconnect completely - I didn't). I also loosened the bracket (removed 4 bolts) from the block. This was the "pig" Simmo mentioned: getting to the jubilee clip that connects hose to the pump is easy but at the t'stat it's 1 of those spring clips (you'll almost certainly need the special tool for this). Now to get at these easily (as if? ) the bracket needs to be off but I couldn't figure out how it would come out until I lost my temper and just yanked. You also need to find the 4th bolt - it's the upper rear 1(or front-can't remember) and I only found it by looking at a spare bracket, shining a torch in there then using both hands to attach and hold in place the spanner (very fiddly for someone with large hands - could always ask wifey to do it for you ;D ). When it was off managed to get to hose to change it - had to cut it carefully with Stanley knife as it was stuck to t'stat. Changing it over took just 10 mins - you need to make sure it's completely attached (fully inserted) at both ends but no amount of shoving and swearing did it so put a little bit of silicone sealant (type used for sealing around house rad joints - "Fernox LS-X") inside hose which not only temporarily acts as a lubricant but also seals any imperfections. The rest of the struggle was getting the bracket back in place afterwards but it will go on - just fiddly. Would have been easier if I removed compressor completely but didn't want hassle of that. If you are going to change stat then the oil pressure switch is right behind it. BTW, I also replaced my top hose as it was weeping where it joins the pipe going through the 'V'. The pipe end was corroded and it still weeped after changing. Took hose off again, dried pipe and inner hose, used plenty of LS-X, reattached, allowed it to set overnight before running coolant. Job done :) Hope that makes sense. Come back to me if you need clarification. This is the LINK (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Problems;action=display;num=1386968143) to my original post. Paul |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Andycan on Jan 20th, 2014, 12:45pm Hi Paul I remember your post now lol. I am going to replace both belts as they are well past their sell by date and look as if they are about to crumble into dust. Looking at the tensioners I can't see how to release the tension on them could you explain please? I have also found that I am finding it hard to crack the bolts holding them onto the engine block so have decided to wait for a warmer day only 2C here and also a breeze lol. Just broke my back getting the rfad fans out as the connectors would not come undone and everywhere is coated in thick oil but can't see any leaks but looks like it had been leaking from the rocker covers so will wait till it is all working again before I check if they are leaking or the previous owner had them replaced. Thanks Andy |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Simmo on Jan 20th, 2014, 1:52pm Andy, have a read of This article (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/drivebelt.htm). ;) Not sure if it helps but on the 2.0ltr if you pull up on the belt it lowers the tensioner and if you then wedge it with a piece of wood life becomes much easier. :) |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Andycan on Jan 20th, 2014, 3:58pm Thanks Simmo I get lost on there lol. I might have a go at them tomorrow if it isn't too foggy and cold lol. |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Pegasus on Jan 20th, 2014, 8:57pm Hi Andy, the tensioners (esp holding alternator belt) can be difficult to budge. I have a thick garden glove on the hand holding the spanner and I still end up with grazed hands - need to ensure the spanner/socket stays on the fulcrum bolt. Once you've released the belt just gently release the tensioner with the spanner and it'll just settle. Getting the alternator belt back on can be a bit of a struggle again. To remove from block - you need to be careful depending on your socket set. The bolts are 6-sided and a lot of sets (inc mine) have 8+ sides so you can easily round off the bolt if it's recalcitrant. I had to borrow a proper 6 sided socket to get 1 of my bolts off. Paul |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Andycan on Jan 20th, 2014, 10:21pm Ty Paul I will try tomorrow weather permiting. |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Simmo on Jan 21st, 2014, 7:23am Andy, I have now found the article about the wedge (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Advice;action=display;num=1242480868;start=8#8) I mentioned yesterday. It was by Pedropedro in 2009!. Tompion...who else.. ;D has put up a photo and the dimensions are listed. I know this relates to the 2ltr but the principle may help as may some of the other advice. Good luck. ;) |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Andycan on Jan 21st, 2014, 10:26am thanks |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Andycan on Jan 21st, 2014, 1:29pm all the belt parts done just can't get the waterpump pully off to get at the bolts holding the pump on. I have sprayed it with lubricant and tried it with a bar but it refuses to budge so is there a knack to this or something I have missed? |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Andycan on Jan 21st, 2014, 2:02pm Yahoo I got it off but now have a couple of waterpump bolts behind the waterpump belt tensioner and it won't move far enough to get to them any idea's please |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by jumper on Nov 20th, 2015, 4:36pm Hi Dave I have a BOB that I want to re-commission but someone has already scavenged the Water pump from - do you have any complete units? Thanks Phil |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Andycan on Dec 21st, 2015, 12:14am Burton power is where I got mine from for £150 in 2013 and it was easy to change once I started thinking how to do it lol. I believe that there were some a little cheaper somewhere else. But be very careful as people advertise 24v water pumps that are actually 12v ones which work but you need a blanking plate and to divert the water pipes. |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by amigafan2003 on Dec 21st, 2015, 11:37pm on 12/21/15 at 00:14:07, Andycan wrote:
Burton power state they can no longer get waterpumps - and indeed, the website says they are no longer stocked:- http://www.burtonpower.com/water-pump-cosworth-v6-24v-2-9-bob-epw01.html This is the one I got from Burton a couple of years back if the part numbers help you any:- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/amigafan2003/IMAG02071_zpse6090398.jpg~original |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Andycan on Dec 22nd, 2015, 12:02am Burton told me they didn't stock water pumps anymore but then I got hold of another operator of theirs and he sold me one lol. The cheaper way is to buy the 12v one and swap the impellers over. |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Dave2302 on Dec 30th, 2015, 4:48pm A lot of 12V pump bearing sets won't fit, depends what make you get. The 24V bearing / seal assembly is available from bearing stockists. After someone told me how dear I was I gave up doing these for customers, and these days I simply don't have the time. If you have access to a press, and plenty of attachments it is a straight forward enough job to rebuild them. Cheers Dave |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Nunnspoet on Jul 17th, 2018, 9:09am Good morning everybody. Well, the Water Pump on one of my Scorpio 24valve Cosworth Estates has started to leak. As you know it is a BOB engine. I ordered and received the wrong Pump. I am now in negotiations with buycarparts concerning the return of the wrong Pump and the supply of the correct Pump. I have given them every bit of info. as supplied on the V5 Registration Doc. I have also pointed out that it is a BOB Engine. They have now requested the Part No of the existing pump and photos. The Pump is still on "The Beast" so I cannot oblige. Therefore, can somebody please tell me the Part No for the 24valve Cossie Ultima Estate Water Pump so that I can tell buycarparts... I don't hold our much hope of them supplying the correct Pump, however they seem keen to help and you never know. I have read the other posts on here and feel quite worried as I truly love my Scorps. Best regards Mike ??? |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Torbayboy on Jul 17th, 2018, 11:27am Hi For a photo use the burton power one http://www.burtonpower.com/water-pump-cosworth-v6-24v-2-9-bob-epw01.html finis code not sure of but it will be on here somewhere, there is also a thread on here for converting the v6 granada pump, these are freely available and is probably the one the idiots sent you. There are bob cosworth engines available from a firm in Scotland on ebay may be good for spares or whatever as the parts for these are getting worse to find now. Hope this helps Roy |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Tompion on Jul 17th, 2018, 1:16pm Price is a good guide as far as retailers are concerned – less than 3 digits in whole £’s forget it. Probably your best bet is to find someone to rebuild yours or do the 12v pump mod. Earlier in this thread it’s given as FINIS 1518114. Trouble is the aftermarket catalogues are wrong so giving the right ref doesn’t help the factors – they look it up & the cross reference leads them back to the 12v pump. The last aftermarket one I am aware of was Airtex 1710 but I don’t think it’s been produced for some time. Searching online you may find results outside the UK, I found a couple but not in English but whether they’ve actually got one or send to UK…. This looks right & probably a high enough price: http://www.viawebpiecesauto.fr/pompe-a-eau/ford-scorpio-ii-break-gnr-ggr-2-9-i-24v-207cv-essence/airtex-1710/ford-scorpio-ii-break-gnr-ggr-2-9-i-24v-207cv-essence.html Dave |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Tenfut on Jul 17th, 2018, 2:34pm I have just changed the water pump on my 24v. I had a used one in my stash which I bought from another member about 15 years ago and up to now is working perfectly. Here are some numbers from the pump I took off: 95TM-8505-AA FNO 7567 17-421-1 I contacted SP Water Pumps in Warrington and spoke to a very helpful guy called John who said he could definitely rebuild my non working pump. He couldn't give me an exact cost but estimated between £95.00 and £160.00. Expensive I suppose but cheaper than a new one if one could be sourced. I do intend to get this pump refurbished soon. SP Water Pumps 01925 850082 HTH Tony |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Nunnspoet on Jul 18th, 2018, 9:47am Wow! Thank you guys for all the information that you have given me :-* I have copied and sent the picture that you sent Torbayboy along with the Nos you gave me Tenfut and sent them to buycarparts. Aaagh! Just realised that I have not sent them the FINIS No you gave me Dave. I get dopier every day. I will post it to them now Mike 8) |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Scorpio_Dan on Mar 5th, 2024, 12:37pm I sent my original water pump off to SP Waterpumps Ltd ( spwaterpumps.co.uk ) and they sent me back a refurbished Ford pump. I sent it on a Monday and had it back and fitted on the Saturday. Awesome service and all for around £200. I wish I knew of them sooner after all the faff of blanking off a Boa pump and then buying new hoses to 'make it fit' which cost me more! Hopefully should outlive the car now. Dan |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by cobrascim on Mar 5th, 2024, 5:12pm Brilliant Dan glad your sorted and that is handy to know. John. |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Torbayboy on Mar 5th, 2024, 7:47pm Just a quick note , have run 2 cossie estates now on granada pumps. Both fitted professionally by local spanner and no problems at all. |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by cobrascim on Mar 14th, 2024, 11:50am on 03/05/24 at 19:47:23, Torbayboy wrote:
Another handy tip. Which granada is that though? The standard 2.9 or the granada cosworth BOA engine? |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Torbayboy on Mar 14th, 2024, 5:36pm Hi this is with the normal granada 2.9 pump, loads available generally around £45 or so. Small adaptor plate to fit first (or all the water falls out), run with no issues now for a few years, also took the oppertunity to move the stat a bit so it's more easy to access if needed. R |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by cobrascim on Mar 14th, 2024, 11:10pm Thanks Torbayboy really good to know and think I may move my stat at some point although new one seems to be quite happy at the moment. |
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Title: Re: 24V Cosworth Water Pumps Post by Jackattack2002 on Apr 8th, 2024, 5:14pm You can get the genuine BOB pumps reconditioned at SP Water Pumps Ltd, with a very quick turnaround. New bearing and seals. Not cheap, but great service |
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