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(Message started by: lesterlad aka Rodders on Jul 8^th, 2012, 3:46pm)

Title: OBII Scanner ?
Post by lesterlad aka Rodders on Jul 8^th, 2012, 3:46pm

Does anyone know if this will work on the Scorpio ?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/BestDealUK-ELM327-OBDII-Diagnostic-Models/dp/B007WBOARE/ref=sr_1_17?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1341755511&sr=1-17[url][/url]

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by ADroste on Jul 8^th, 2012, 11:04pm

on 07/08/12 at 15:46:15, lesterlad aka Rodders wrote:

Does anyone know if this will work on the Scorpio ?...

You as long term user of this forum should know that the Scorpio is wrong, since there are Scorpios that are not OBD-II compliant. But if yours is compliant than it should fit.
Google source:
ElmCan ELM327 IC for all 9 OBD2/EOBD-Protocols according

ISO 9141-2
ISO 14230-4 (KWP2000 fast und slow)
ISO 15765-4 (CAN 250/500 kB 11/29 Bit ID)
SAE J1850 PWM und VPW

Regards
Armin

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by Mike H on Jul 9^th, 2012, 11:52am

As OBD2 was introduced 1996, if your car is older (or even circa 1996) will be OBD1.

As mine is.

OBD-I only came to be called OBD-I after introduction of OBD-II.

http://www.virtualmechanix.co.uk/onboard-diagnostics/history-of-onboard-diagnostics.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-board_diagnostics

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by Glyn on Nov 25^th, 2012, 3:07am

Did you get one , if so did it work ok? What year is your Scorp? Anyone know how to tell if I have OBD1 or 2 ?
Glyn

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by Tompion on Nov 25^th, 2012, 9:02am

The date cars were required to have OBD11 & the introduction date isn’t necessarily the same. Unless you have a diesel or a 12v your’s will be OBD11.

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by Glyn on Nov 25^th, 2012, 9:02pm

Thanks Tompion, so my 2 Cossies will be obd11 and my 12v obd1 ? So I need to find one that will do both? Itake it they both use the same sort of plug?
Glyn

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by Matt on Nov 25^th, 2012, 9:14pm

the 24v's amd 2.3's are all OBDII, pretty sure all 2.0's were the same

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by Glyn on Nov 25^th, 2012, 10:54pm

Thanks Matt. Wonder what the 12v needs and if anyone has used one of these ELM327 leads.
Glyn

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by Matt on Nov 25^th, 2012, 11:29pm

12v & TD uses the 3 pin Star system, give you 3 digit codes that you look up in a chart

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by Glyn on Nov 26^th, 2012, 12:10am

Thanks Matt
Glyn

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by Matt on Nov 26^th, 2012, 12:13am

list of the codes here :)

http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/3digitcodes.html

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by Glyn on Nov 26^th, 2012, 12:51am

Thanks again Matt-magic !
Glyn

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by Simmo on Nov 26^th, 2012, 8:08am

Star reader (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/star.htm) ;)

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by Glyn on Nov 27^th, 2012, 12:08am

Thanks Simmo thats useful
Glyn

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by Dave2302 on Nov 27^th, 2012, 10:49am

Whoaaaaa boys whoaaaaa..................

Those ELM and KWP systems will be worse than useless on Fords with EECIV (OBD1) and EECV (OBD2)

I have both, great for continental stuff like Merc's BMW's Fiat's Alfa's etc with Marelli, Bosch and Weber ECU's, but very limited on anything else.

For regular DIY on your Fords, Startester is great for OBD1, but for OBD2 Alex Pepper stuff so I'm told, never used Alex's gear tho.
If you really want excellence then some good deals can be had on SnapOn MT2500 Scanner or if you want the ultimate FORD FDS 2000, or Ford WDS (hard to get).
These can be picked up for bargain prices secondhand off E of the Bay these days, as garages are updating there equipment.
Snap On will do all your Airbag, Transmission, Engine, ABS etc...............
If you are a long term Ford Scorpio owner then the FDS is ultimate as it will allow you to reprogram CCM etc..............
Things like the indicators flashing on alarm setting, being able to open the boot from the keyfob when sat in car with engine running (Taxi Pack), etc etc

Just don't expect to get FDS for 50 quid lol cos I was really really lucky, but you should get one for £200 - £300 if you make offers punt around etc ;)

HTH,

Regards Dave

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by Glyn on Nov 27^th, 2012, 11:40pm

Thanks Dave-useful info.Startester sounds ok for my 12v then.
Glyn

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by Snoopy on Nov 28^th, 2012, 8:46am

To all those wanting to know about the star tester have a read of these old posts it might point you in the right direction for a Star Tester]

HERE (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=OBD;action=display;num=1181384857;start=0)

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by Dave2302 on Nov 28^th, 2012, 9:46am

Glyn,

Startester is fine on the EECIV cars like your 12V.

It is a rip of the Ford Startester that FMD's used before FDS 2000 came out ;)

HTH Dave

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by Glyn on Nov 28^th, 2012, 6:02pm

Thanks Dave and I'll keep looking for an FDS2000 for the 24v's
Glyn

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by Glyn on Jun 2^nd, 2013, 12:18am

Well Dave, I took your advice and being unable to get an FDS 2000 reasonably, bit hte bullet and just bought a Snap-on MT2500. Have to learn to use it now but on first try on one of the cossies today managed to retrieve ABS code which I knew must still be in there and cleared the code. Just a shame the operators manual doesn't have a section specific to the Ford GB pod which I was using, still very satisfying.
Glyn :)

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by a900one on Jun 4^th, 2013, 10:25pm

I have looked at getting a scanner for some time, after I bought one for the vw. There seems a lot of different bits you need for the fds or the mt2500, modules leads etc, what bits/leads get you running with the mt2500. And how much would I have to spend, the one for the vw was only £37.

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by Glyn on Jun 4^th, 2013, 10:58pm

I'm sure somebody can answer this better than me as I have only just got mine. As far as I can tell to get the MT2500 running you will need at least
The scanner
A data lead
Data lead adapter(to connect to the car-if scorp OBD11 )
A cartridge either with several makes loaded or specific make eg Ford Primary cartridge
Preferably a PVCI cartridge as well
Might be wise to make sure specific cartridges are marked GB- I dont know what the American "Ford" covers
Finally you will need a Key to configure the lead .There are about 20+ and the UK ones are prefixed with S the American series with a K
Have a look on e-bay particularly if you dont mind one slightly damaged-bids at the moment starting about £30 for the scanner body up to £300+ for full kits.

Title: Re: OBII Scanner ?
Post by a900one on Jun 6^th, 2013, 10:15pm

Thanks Glyn.