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(Message started by: Moonchalk on Oct 6^th, 2012, 5:15pm)

Title: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by Moonchalk on Oct 6^th, 2012, 5:15pm

Poor old Scorp got pranged back in July after 4 years of not missing a beat 100% reliable motoring http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/YaBBImages/cry.gif

Just got around to uploading these photos. http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/YaBBImages/embarassed.gif

Insurance settled and got to keep the car so now looking into how realistic or not it might be to get her back on the road.

I know it's probably difficult to tell from photos, but would love to hear experienced opinion here rather than just the useless "this cars ad it m8" from my local crash repairer who clearly does not appreciate the true virtues of owning a Scorp http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/YaBBImages/grin.gif

Anyway, all of the damage is bodywork (not steering\suspension etc) forward of the hole that the screen wash bottle tube goes through.

I'm thinking along the lines of getting the wing done professionally and then sorting the rest myself as a bit of a project as I'm lucky enough to be able to keep it dry stored for as long as needed.

Thanks in advance for any help or advice with this.

Here are the photos (I have more if useful), what do you think ... ???

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/lysithea/IMG_1149.jpg

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/lysithea/IMG_1145.jpg

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/lysithea/IMG_1137.jpg

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/lysithea/IMG_1141.jpg

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by Matt on Oct 6^th, 2012, 5:45pm

Can you post a pic of the chassis legs?

look mainly cosmetic to me, the wings are ease yo get off if you have the patience to drill all the spot welds.

slam panel looks a little crooked but reckon that will mostly spring back when the inner arch is pulled back

id get the wing cut off and have a good look at whats moved, its scrap anyway so just cut it off along the edges, worry about cleaning up and removing spot welds later

had similar with an old diesel i had

http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd429/Matt24v/Photo-0108.jpg
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd429/Matt24v/Scorpio%20Related/P140108_1354.jpg
http://i1219.photobucket.com/albums/dd429/Matt24v/Scorpio%20Related/P140108_1513.jpg

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Oct 6^th, 2012, 7:44pm

Definately looks fixable to me.

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by adam on Oct 6^th, 2012, 8:55pm

Agree with Matt, chassis leg would be biggest hurdle if twisted. Should be ok with the amount of intrusion shown.
Would also have to pass VOSA check

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by Moonchalk on Oct 7^th, 2012, 11:06am

I think the chassis leg is ok, but is the one thing I didn't get a pic of yesterday. Will try and post again later with a pic from underneath.

Is the wing just spot welded along the top? Looks like it's spot AND seam welded to me (see 1st photo above).

What would be the correct tool I'd need to cut through the wing metal, just to get it removed quick, as Matt suggested?

What is the VOSA test, do you mean just a standard MOT?

Thanks
:)

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by Andycan on Oct 7^th, 2012, 12:25pm

Hi the vosa test is known as a vic test which is supposedly to make sure that the car is the car on the log book and not a clone. You will need to bok it in to your nearest vosa centre that does the vic test and the waiting list can be long. I think it costs about £40 and all the information shuld be on a vosa website.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Dl1/Directories/UsefulContactsByCategory/MotoringContacts/DG_069953
this is the web addy for the list of centres doing the vic tests.

I should cut the wing off with a electric cutting disc.

Hopes this helps Andy

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by Moonchalk on Oct 7^th, 2012, 1:06pm

So, is a vosa test a legal requirement as a result of it having been in an accident?

There will be nothing on the insurance databases as the claim was settled privately.

Guess it will be on the police record though.

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by adam on Oct 7^th, 2012, 1:32pm

There is a number to ring to see if a vic check is needed. Here is a link with greater detail: http://www.gtsalvage.com/vic.html

VOSA was highlighted because in your first post you mentioned "Insurance settled and got to keep the car"

There are seven reasons to fail

1. Detail discrepancies or signs of tampering were noted on the VIN Plate.
2. Detail discrepancies or signs of tampering were noted on the Visible VIN.
3. Detail discrepancies or signs of tampering were noted on the Stamped in VIN.
4. Repairs or damage corresponding to insurance records were not evident.
5. A variety of component dates did not corroborate the vehicles production/registration date.
6. The engine number displayed did not correspond with the DVLA record.
7. The vehicles appearance or significant physical details did not correspond to DVLA records for this VRM.

HTH

Adam

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by Andycan on Oct 7^th, 2012, 4:01pm

I should think that it wuld not need a vic test if no claim was made against the insurance.

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by leewar on Oct 7^th, 2012, 7:47pm

I've been told I have a good wing if you need one( Thanks Matt)

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by Moonchalk on Oct 7^th, 2012, 9:47pm

OK, some progress ...

Managed to get the wing and washer bottle removed today for a better look :)

Rough cut the wing as suggested by Matt - Used heavy duty tin snips - was easier than I expected it to be :)

I'm 99% certain that there is no damage to the chassis box. Worst affected area is the box that the front, lower part of the wing was fixed to.

I'm a bit concerned that the awkward bit may be refitting the bumper and headlight as the mounting points for these have been shifted somewhat.

Planning to take these photos next week to a better crash repair guy that I've been recommended near where I work. Looking to get an idea of costs as I can't tackle the welding bit myself.

Anyway here are the new pics, what do you think ???

BTW - Really appreciate this help from you guys - I have made a donation to the site. Thanks.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/lysithea/IMG_1165.jpg

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/lysithea/IMG_1156.jpg

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by Simmo on Oct 7^th, 2012, 10:04pm

Moonchalk said "Insurance settled and got to keep the car so now looking into how realistic or not it might be to get her back on the road.". If that is correct then presumably it has been 'written off' as a CatD which means it is merely uneconomic for the insurance company to repair but effectively it is cosmetic damage rather than major and therefore would not need an inspection according to This (http://www.checkthatcar.com/car_writeoff_categories.asp). :) IF however they wrote it off as Cat C then it will. I would suggest the first step is to find out exactly what Category they placed it in. :)

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by Moonchalk on Oct 7^th, 2012, 10:48pm

Insurance company was not involved at all; sequence of events was:

Accident
Police Informed
Vehicle recovered home (driveable short distance) via Police escourt
Third party contacted and private settlement agreed same day!
Garaged and declared sorn

So, strictly speaking, its never been written off into any category.

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by adam on Oct 7^th, 2012, 10:59pm

No need for VOSA check under them circumstances.
Difficult to tell on the pics but doesn't appear to be any chassis contact. What hit you and at what speed? Also, how did it drive on the journey after the collision?

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by leewar on Oct 7^th, 2012, 11:31pm

Seems staightforward enough. The replacement wing can be bolted back on. If you need any other parts, bonnet, light, arch liner etc, they are all available. Cheers Lee

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by Mike H on Oct 8^th, 2012, 11:44am

on 10/07/12 at 21:47:56, Moonchalk wrote:

I'm a bit concerned that the awkward bit may be refitting the bumper and headlight as the mounting points for these have been shifted somewhat.

I'm no expert by any means but I noticed that the ~ what you call it, the frame bit that goes across the front under front of bonnet? Is creased, suggesting to me everything to the right of that has moved inwards slightly, so is why bumper mounting etc. won't line up (?)

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by Matt on Oct 8^th, 2012, 12:05pm

IF you look at my pic of the car with the wing off and your last pic you can see where the car has moved, looks like the corner just pushed down, hence you have the crease in the inner arch.

again if you look at my pic, where it's rusty by the headlight, that was bent up on mine, its a fairly strong big of metal and i just knocked mine back down and it moved everything back into place.

i reckon with a jig puller or a hydraulic ram brased against the other side of the arch will push most of that back into place. The crease will be the b****r to get out may need to be heated and helped back into place with some hammer work

What id do is get some new panels (wing and bonnet at least), bolt them on and you'll see what needs to be moved

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Oct 8^th, 2012, 7:05pm

Many years ago a guy at work pranged the front of his car and had similar damage to yours - we straighted it out using a length of heavy chain, a large tree and reverse gear...you get the picture :o

Pretty sure the wings are welded on, not bolted ???

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by Moonchalk on Oct 8^th, 2012, 9:16pm

Lee, thanks for the parts offer.

Yes, might be interested in getting hold of just a silver bonnet and wing at this stage to progress Matt's suggestion.

Bit wary of buying ALL the bits I need too early in case things don't quite work out with it.

Roughly where are you?

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by Matt on Oct 8^th, 2012, 9:44pm

wings are both spot welded and bolted! lee is in clacton not a bad run either just a long drive and the parts are blue

where abouts i staffordshire are you?

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by leewar on Oct 8^th, 2012, 11:53pm

As Matt say's, I'm in Clacton on Sea, Essex. Shame you didn't need them last week as Matt was down to see me for some parts on Sunday ??? I have a very good wing and bonnet plus the wheel arch liner if you need them. Cheers Lee

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by Moonchalk on Oct 9^th, 2012, 9:30pm

Thanks Lee, but I think I'd prefer to get the panels in Silver, unless you can recommend somewhere to get them painted up?

No mad rush to get it done, so prepared to wait until I see a Silver one being broken up. Was quite a popular Scorp colour so I don't think it will take long.

I'm in Lichfield and work near Wolverhampton.

Might take you up on the arch liner though.

How much would you want for it?

Title: Re: Do you think this is repairable?
Post by leewar on Oct 10^th, 2012, 12:23am

Moonchalk, Pm Sent.