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(Message started by: Jeff on Jan 25^th, 2013, 11:34am)

Title: Further to wiring loom post in How To Do
Post by Jeff on Jan 25^th, 2013, 11:34am

Is any of this worthy info posted by Bob relevant to the 24V?
Meaning should 24V owners brave the cold and give their wiring a close inspection?
(No problems on mine, as yet, in that department, although have had ABS light on for a long period last year, now off again).
Looks like a bit of poor design if this is common (we now know with hindsight).

Title: Re: Further to wiring loom post in How To Do
Post by Simmo on Jan 25^th, 2013, 11:47am

Jeff. I would suggest the best advice on any of these cars in respect of the wiring is "If it 'aint broke don't fix it". If you look at Bob's first photo the outer wrapping is in good condition. He did however have issues and also when he was looking round found that that area of the loom was warm!. ::) Personally I would 'let sleeping dogs lie'.

Title: Re: Further to wiring loom post in How To Do
Post by Jeff on Jan 25^th, 2013, 11:59am

Yes, I suppose I don't have any problems...yet.
Didn't like the look of those bare wires, though. Seriously alarming I thought.
A quick visual when cleaning might be a good idea. Ford must have used a load of duff wire if you ask me.

Title: Re: Further to wiring loom post in How To Do
Post by gozz on Jan 25^th, 2013, 8:33pm

on 01/25/13 at 11:59:18, Jeff wrote:

That was their ten year built in obsolescence of a very good tough car I reckon ::)

Title: Re: Further to wiring loom post in How To Do
Post by ro284 on Jan 25^th, 2013, 9:45pm

Quote:

Is any of this worthy info posted by Bob relevant to the 24V? Meaning should 24V owners brave the cold and give their wiring a close inspection?

Hi Jeff the only common thing i have noted about the wiring, is that it seems to be Arnitel wiring that fails, and only appears to be on the 95--12v i don't know if Arnitel looms were used in other models, I think the layout of the 24v Looms are different, And may not be placed where they will get wet. The insulation breaks down in a strange way, from what i can tell, on some of my wires. the insulation appears to shrink! and has regular cracks leaving gaps, perhaps 10 mill spaced all along the outside of the wire like a cut through to the copper! (Hence the need for sleeveing) with this problem and so many wires (all gauges) wrapped up in a sheath, If water gets in easily,but cant get out so easily, as in 12v ==problems! :o Bob

Title: Re: Further to wiring loom post in How To Do
Post by PJDavis on Jan 26^th, 2013, 9:02am

I might make a suggestion to carry a small fire extinguisher, and make sure you know how to use it! If you don't have one an electrical fire could mean the whole car goes up, I've seen it happen with a Senator 24V.
Peter

Title: Re: Further to wiring loom post in How To Do
Post by gozz on Jan 26^th, 2013, 10:29am

Further to PJ's good advice,keep a 10mm spanner in the drivers door pocket to isolate the battery so that no reignition takes place after using your extinguisher.You could of course fit an isolator switch if you were keen !!

Title: Re: Further to wiring loom post in How To Do
Post by ro284 on Jan 26^th, 2013, 11:19am

Hi guys, I did not want to alarm anyone, with that post, but the fact is, my car could have had a fire in the loom, However i would have thought that the 2 permanently live, heavy-ish A.B.S fuses (30 Amp) NO 46 & 47.(Battery Fuse Box!) Could be whipped out very quick! In an emergency, The Loom wiring fault is what first caused the continuously on abs light problem, because of the rear abs sensor wiring breaking down inside the loom, This was followed by heavy current drain on the battery! isolated by removing fuses 46 &47 Bob

Title: Re: Further to wiring loom post in How To Do
Post by Jeff on Jan 26^th, 2013, 9:10pm

I'm sure your intention was not to cause alarm, but to pass on the experience is useful for us all, so thanks for that.
Sounds like the plastic used has gone off, some plastics do this it would seem.

Maybe this is what Boeing have been using in their new 787! (In my experience -ex BOAC apprentice- aviation wiring is extremely high spec. From what I remember fibreglass of all things I think, and a pig to strip and repair. Depends where located of course: even more exotic round hot engine components. But I digress.

i have a rally prepared mini which has a battery isolator, and it's a very useful thing. But in our cars it would cause some inconveniences, for example the radio code etc if you kept isolating. Better than going up in smoke, though.

Title: Re: Further to wiring loom post in How To Do
Post by bernard_slade on Jan 27^th, 2013, 2:16am

arnitel wiring does seem to have been used across the range on 95/96 scorps -mine was a diesel the thing i found annoying is arnitel still advertise their wiring on the web and extoll its virtues when we know it is all crap-most people dont keep their euroboxes long enough to find out. i remember when ford were building the mk 2 cortina somebody trial sourced yazaki looms from japan and when they started fitting them the cars were catching fire on the production line . the whole shipment was scrapped and no more wiring ever came from japan