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(Message started by: ben24v on Dec 20^th, 2015, 4:44pm)

Title: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for MOT
Post by ben24v on Dec 20^th, 2015, 4:44pm

Hi guys and girls, I picked up my Scorpio today and I've got a couple of jobs to do.

The first is cleaning, I'm ok with that, that's the easy bit.

The second is refitting the exhaust manifold heat shields, they came in the boot. I don't have enough bolts it seems so first question is do I buy these from ford? Second question are these the right type? I appear to only have 3 so I'm missing 5.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/benleegraham/7d6c4230-7505-4299-b0ca-d3c7c4b0d2a6_zpssjzpn43b.jpg~original

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Dec 20^th, 2015, 6:52pm

Next question

I have 225/50/16 tyres currently fitted, I need to replace them for the MOT. I've looked at the prices of these and they are ridiculous! Having searched the forum I've found mention of people using 205/55/16, the prices of these are much more reasonable. The question is what do you have on your car (size and brand/model)?

Thanks Ben

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Dec 20^th, 2015, 9:51pm

What brands of tyre are you looking at and what prices have you been getting ?
Just took a look on blackcircles and although the 225's are more expensive than the 205's as you would expect, the price difference does not seem that large.
Are you looking to replace all 4 tyres at the same time ?
I always had 225/50x16 on my 2.3 Scorpio when I was using it - brand I think was Avon the last time I bought any.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by GrahamT on Dec 20^th, 2015, 10:19pm

225 50 r16 on mine too Ben. Michelin on the front, Nankang on the back. Just what I got a good price on at the time. I did have 205 55 on for a while and they were ok but did look a bit thin. I always felt a little less confident in the handling but never had any issues. Most probably just psychological. I kept them for the whole life of the tyres, just changed up a size when they got replaced, so couldn't have been that bad :)
All the best,

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Glyn on Dec 20^th, 2015, 11:21pm

The bolts look to be the right type. Someone may know where to get them other than Ford.
All my scorpios have always had 225 50 16 tyres of whichever recognised make was available and best price at the time. The Michelins seem to have lasted well, as did the Pirellis.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Dec 21^st, 2015, 2:34pm

I'm thinking about getting Uniroyal Rainsport 3 225/50/16 92 load y speed for £80.23 each. Its a shame this size is a bit rare compared to 205/55/16 because the same tyre is £60.59 each so £80 a set more...but having said that 20mm extra at each corner must be far better when it comes to braking.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Dec 21^st, 2015, 3:16pm

I just rang Bristol street ford in Birmingham and they say the bolts I'm looking for aren't available anymore. I'll have to look else where.

Anyone got some knocking around?

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Dec 21^st, 2015, 4:00pm

Try http://www.fordpartsuk.com - they deal in a lot of obsolete Ford parts.
Also worth asking your dealer to do a check for any stock held by other Ford dealers - some parts guys are more helpful than others, spme will check anyway, others need to be asked.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Dec 21^st, 2015, 5:18pm

Thanks for the fordpartsuk link, I've found three more in the box of spares but I'm still 2 short.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by a900one on Dec 21^st, 2015, 6:13pm

. I use tyre shopper and Avon zv5 225/50/16 is £67 each, I have them on my scorp,

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Dec 21^st, 2015, 6:34pm

on 12/21/15 at 18:13:19, a900one wrote:

. I use tyre shopper and Avon zv5 225/50/16 is £67 each, I have them on my scorp,

Pretty sure those were the last tyres I bought for my Scorpio - very pleased with them too.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Dec 21^st, 2015, 7:51pm

Thanks guys, I'm trying to find some 17" cosworth softline alloys at a good price. Weighing up my options, 225/45/17 tyres are the same sort of price (actually they are £30 a set cheaper) and I think it would look ace on slightly bigger wheels. I'm not a fan of obviously modified cars but I think OEM upgrades are nice.

I've got some time to mull it over and see what happens

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by amigafan2003 on Dec 21^st, 2015, 11:34pm

I swapped my 225/50 tyres to 205/55 - the ride is much better and they tramline much less. Wont be going back to 225/50 tyres again.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Dec 22^nd, 2015, 7:12pm

Yes I thought I'd read that somewhere

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by PJDavis on Dec 22^nd, 2015, 10:22pm

I've tried all sorts of Tyres, Avon ZV5, Pirelli (never again), Hankook, (They're ok) but the best I've tried on both the Scorpio and the Jags is Nexen. Medium priced that performs well in wet and dry, gives good wear as well, and I don't hang-around. I don't like anything slimmer than the 225's, and have gone up to 225/55 by 16 and those clear the inner wheel arches on full-lock, just! The car will definitely NOT take 225/60's. Try Oponeo online for the Tyres. If you do go up to 55 aspect ratio, get a hard-walled Tyre, or the car will roll-over a bit more. I think I was about £65 each Tyre delivered to North Scotland.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by a900one on Dec 24^th, 2015, 11:22am

Looking for tyre size site and found this site, http://www.etyres.co.uk/how-to-change-your-tyre-size/ If you change from normal size it effects the rolling radius.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by PJDavis on Dec 24^th, 2015, 1:56pm

on 12/24/15 at 11:22:01, a900one wrote:

Looking for tyre size site and found this site, http://www.etyres.co.uk/how-to-change-your-tyre-size/ If you change from normal size it effects the rolling radius.

Yep I'm fully aware it effects the rolling radius, I'm a Mechanical-Engineer. In my opinion it doesn't effect it adversely, in fact My speedo reads slightly more accurately now (comparing to Sat-Nav) and it hasn't changed the characteristics of the performance that I notice. I informed my insurance company, LV, and they weren't really interested saying that as long as the tyres were within certain parameters, and weren't drastically improving performance or a safety issue, they were ok. It's all a matter of opinion and choice, I'll be sticking to the slightly larger aspect ratio for now.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Dec 24^th, 2015, 10:33pm

Thanks again for the input. I've found that camskill sell tyres very cheap and I'm thinking 225 50 16 uniroyal rainsport 3 are a reasonably priced performance tyre. Camskill deliver tem for £245 then I'll just have to get them fitted. I've decided against fitting different wheels now to keep costs down and just enjoy the car.

The minimum work to get the car on the road is tyres, one flexi brake hose and radiator recore. That's about £500 so not cheap

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Dec 24^th, 2015, 10:38pm

Oh yeah and I once had pirelli P6000 on my mk2 golf gti and they were the worst tyres I've ever had. You couldn't pay me to use them! They are like driving on ice in anything other than a hot summers day. I only bought them because I had pirelli p-slot alloys on the car

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Simmo on Dec 25^th, 2015, 9:00am

Have you looked at Blackcircles (http://www.blackcircles.com/order/tyres/search#/order/tyres?&width=225&profile=50&rim=R16&speed=V&wintertyre=wintertyre&_suid=145103363918403341859583112734)? The prices are fully fitted. They do the tyre you mention BUT it is dearer than your supplier. :)

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Snoopy on Dec 25^th, 2015, 9:03am

Try F1 auto centre for tyres etc . BEST prices around here by far.....!

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by amigafan2003 on Dec 26^th, 2015, 5:45pm

on 12/24/15 at 11:22:01, a900one wrote:

Looking for tyre size site and found this site, http://www.etyres.co.uk/how-to-change-your-tyre-size/ If you change from normal size it effects the rolling radius.

Going from 225/50r16 to 205/55r16 is 0.16% difference - less than 1mm.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Dec 26^th, 2015, 10:28pm

Thanks guys

Yes, I've used blackcircles.com before and tyresonthedrive.com who are the closest competitor. They sell the rs3's for about £320 fully fitted which isn't too bad but camskill do them for £245 delivered and I'll get them fitted for less than £85 easily.

I'll have a look at f1 too

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by amigafan2003 on Dec 26^th, 2015, 10:45pm

I've got Uniroyal RS3's on mine and I like them - 205/55r16 here for £166 delivered:-

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres/uniroyal/rainsport-3/205-55-r16-91v-187751?utm_source=compare&utm_medium=google-shopping&utm_campaign=tyre&gclid=CjwKEAiAkvmzBRDQpozmt-uluCQSJACvCd1lGeW3dRS_oNhnRswT0xLnvUglury2ByShVcLrrDXkThoC5t7w_wcB

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Dec 27^th, 2015, 8:29pm

tyreleader is cheap but camskill are cheaper, £165.56 delivered for 205/55/16

I'm going with 225/50/16 but haven't hit the order button yet

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Jan 28^th, 2016, 11:01pm

I bought the uniroyal rainsport 3 225/50/16 in the end

The next job is change the brake flexible hoses, I'm thinking about braided but haven't found any at a good price.

The "normal" type I have found have two different lengths for the rear. I haven't checked yet but I'm wondering if it has two front hoses and four rear. It would explain why the braided hises kits are so expensive

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Tompion on Jan 29^th, 2016, 12:47am

I fitted some HEL ones to my previous Scorpio. Can't say it made a lot of difference. Yes 6 hoses in all.
I had to modify the 2 hoses on the back that go between the body & suspension. Whether mine were assembled with the wrong fittings I couldn't say - they needed a flat on the bosses that located them in the brackets.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by GrahamT on Jan 29^th, 2016, 12:59am

Yes Ben, 4 hoses total at the rear end.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by GrahamT on Jan 29^th, 2016, 1:02am

Ha, you beat me to it ;) Yes, from what I remember, there were flats on mine, they seated nicely in the brackets.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Jan 29^th, 2016, 10:27am

Thanks guys

I've found a set on ebay for £80, I'm going to price up a normal set and see the difference before buying anything.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Jan 29^th, 2016, 12:39pm

I think I still have some new spare brake hoses still in the boxes - possibly Lucas branded ?
Fairly sure they are the same as Mk3 Granada & Sierra.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Jan 29^th, 2016, 7:48pm

I'm going to buy some Pagid hoses from carparts4less £46.06 delivered for all 6 hoses. I think the braided ones at nearly twice the price are overkill

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Feb 1^st, 2016, 1:03pm

I've rang a couple of places this morning trying to get my radiator repaired. It seems the cores are difficult to obtain now and I was quoted £300 for a new radiator or £280 just for to recore mine.

I could do without spending £300 to be honest

I know someone of you guys use the 2.3 radiator but it worries me that its smaller and the reason this one needs replacing is because it has bulged.

I'm shocked at the prices of radiators, I'm used to spending about £125

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Tompion on Feb 1^st, 2016, 7:21pm

Bulging of the rad is a common problem with the 24v but not everyone has the problem. It's not unusual it seems for it to keep happening on the ones that have had the problem.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Feb 1^st, 2016, 8:05pm

Does anyone know if the 16v & 24v radiators cores are the same and the only difference is in the plastic end tanks ?

I have a brand new spare 16v radiator for a manual car - maybe the core could be fitted to 24v ends ???

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Feb 3^rd, 2016, 6:38pm

I've decided to buy a new one, the tanks and gearbox oil warmer/cooler will be old now anyway.

The one guy told me they are different thicknesses too

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Feb 4^th, 2016, 2:39pm

I've paid fastrads.co.uk for a radiator but they rang me and said they can't get one.

They might be able to recore it, if I post it to them.

Not sure what's going to be the answer yet

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Feb 4^th, 2016, 6:09pm

What are the measurements of the 24v rad core ?

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Feb 4^th, 2016, 9:20pm

Not sure, I'm going to ring fast rads tomorrow and see if they can get 16v rads. They said they would try to repair mine but I'm not sure I want to go down that route as the plastic tanks are quite old now anyway

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by a900one on Feb 4^th, 2016, 11:09pm

What about this site http://www.adrad.co.uk/prices/prices.php?id=FD466&model=SCORPIO&make=FORD not sure if thats cheap enough. Your tanks should be ok and if there has been 50% antifreeze there should be no damage to the cooler pips.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Feb 5^th, 2016, 1:29pm

Yeah adrad is ok price. I've had trouble getting a radiator as companies can't get them anymore. Fastrads.co.uk can't get them, I've just had a refund from them.

I'm going to city radiator services tomorrow morning, I had quite a promising chat to them just now

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Feb 5^th, 2016, 1:50pm

Don't know where you are located Ben but there is a company in Tunbridge Wells called Bryan & Sons who do radiator repairs & re-cores - I went there a while back to get a Sierra radiator re-cored and he was working on a load of vintage stuff !
You can get the phone number via a Google search.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Simmo on Feb 5^th, 2016, 3:40pm

165A Camden Rd, Tunbridge Wells TN1 2RF
Phone:01892 544635 ;)

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Feb 5^th, 2016, 6:36pm

Thanks guys

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Feb 6^th, 2016, 11:40am

I've ordered a copper and brass radiator from city radiator services in Bilston for £255 with a 5% discount for sharing on Facebook when I go and pay next Saturday.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by a900one on Feb 9^th, 2016, 11:47am

Found this on ebay. He has a 2.9 as well. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Scorpio-2-3-Automatic-Ghia-X-Breaking-For-Parts-Petrol-/231838065149?hash=item35faa021fd:g:hNcAAOSwwE5WZKXC

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Feb 13^th, 2016, 9:33am

My new radiator made by city radiators Bilston
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/benleegraham/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1455352188194_zpsoolc1tiz.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/benleegraham/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1455352195787_zpsgerqu49n.jpg

Fantastic service, made using the original as a pattern. It has a upgraded copper core and brass tanks. I'm just going to pick it up...

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Nunnspoet on Feb 13^th, 2016, 1:01pm

8) Well done and good luck

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Feb 21^st, 2016, 6:23pm

I flush the engine out, it was nasty

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/benleegraham/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20160220_133602_zpsvoqnfqik.jpg

It took a few goes but it's all good now. The new radiator was great.

Next problem

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/benleegraham/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20160220_173601_zpsbqkcaiox.jpg

What's the best way of fixing this? I've ordered a box of heat shrink tube but ideally I need to get a tool to get the pins out to do a good repair. Any ideas what type I need?

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by a900one on Feb 21^st, 2016, 6:40pm

Inline crimp connectors, will need a crimping tool though. Something like this. http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=terminal+crimp+connectors&tag=googhydr-21&index=aps&hvadid=43348367797&hvpos=1t2&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7698103874512485047&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_9uenpfznhn_b

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Feb 21^st, 2016, 6:55pm

Just found and ordered this, hopefully the right part

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/benleegraham/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_20160221-175313_zpseqpv4pov.png

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Simmo on Feb 21^st, 2016, 11:17pm

Ben, this picture shows a tool I made https://www.flickr.com/photos/90140801@N05/8202596676/. to release the connectors from their housing. If the new one does not fit you may wish to make something similar. The metal probes are just strips removed from an old wiper blade. :)

This shows the result of dismantling. https://www.flickr.com/photos/90140801@N05/8195675156/ :)

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Feb 22^nd, 2016, 8:27pm

That's great guys. I'm getting closer to being ready for mot. Unfortunately I keep finding little things that are holding me back.

I had a battery debacle today. Carparts4less list the wrong type of battery with square terminals (097) so I did some research. I found other companies listing 096 so ordered one from eurocarparts.com and returned the 097 at the same time. 096 have the correct terminals but are about 10mm too tall for the strap. After waiting another 30 minutes in the que I finally got the correct 100 type battery, it was the cheapest out of the three at only £41.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Feb 29^th, 2016, 5:58pm

The crank sensor wiring is repaired now. Now I'm wondering what this is for and why only one wire is attached?

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/benleegraham/IMG_20160229_165400_zpsrzofmdqr.jpg

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Snoopy on Mar 1^st, 2016, 8:53am

No need for two wires to sensors it use the block as 2nd wire ... i.e. earth.
Just like the temp sender lower down that only has one wire!

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Mar 1^st, 2016, 12:07pm

What does the box do? It strange that it has a two pin plug but no second wire. How is it connected to the block?

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Snoopy on Mar 2^nd, 2016, 10:21am

I have no idea. I am sure others wail know.

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Andycan on Mar 2^nd, 2016, 3:10pm

I would say it is a sensor possibly checking the spark from the coilpack?

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by GrahamT on Mar 3^rd, 2016, 1:41am

It looks like a suppressor, a capacitor for suppressing radio interference. It will earth through the block it is bolted to, as mentioned already. They probably used a 2 pin connector as they are more common, hence cheaper. I'm not sure mine has got one, I just don't remember seeing one. Probably the reason my radio has always been a bit poor!

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Mar 3^rd, 2016, 7:39pm

That makes sense, thanks

I'm hoping to get the car ready this weekend and book the mot for next week 😁

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Mar 8^th, 2016, 8:13pm

First drive tomorrow to the mot station...

I've been around the car and checked the lights, found one of the boot lid side lights not work, sorted the corroded terminals at the plug and hey presto.

I'm so excited for tomorrow morning I've only ever driven the car on my drive, hopefully I won't have any nasty surprises.

Wish me luck

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Simmo on Mar 8^th, 2016, 8:18pm

Good luck Ben. ;)

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by a900one on Mar 8^th, 2016, 10:45pm

All the best Ben, it will pass have faith. 8)

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Mar 9^th, 2016, 7:23pm

It passed... The bloody windscreen cracked in the bottom corner on the way there but luckily it wasn't a fail. The speedo doesn't work until I hit about 65, overdrive off light flashes constantly and it bangs into 2 gear. I hope the lack of speedo explains the gearbox issues, any ideas?

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Simmo on Mar 9^th, 2016, 8:17pm

Good news that it passed.
Have a look at the Fault Finder page (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/faultfinds.htm) and scroll down to Transmission. :)

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Mar 12^th, 2016, 3:37pm

Anyone got a spare vehicle speed sensor?

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Apr 19^th, 2016, 7:06pm

Bought a new speed sensor and got it driving nicely now, gears change as they should.

The radio turns itself on and off as does the climate control. Oh the joys of scorpio ownership

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Nunnspoet on Apr 20^th, 2016, 9:30am

:D ;D. Well done Ben and everybody that helped

Happy Scorpio days to you Ben.

Mike 8)

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by ben24v on Apr 22^nd, 2016, 7:17pm

Figured out that the radios detachable security buttons are the problem. I've cleaned the contacts and it hasn't turned itself off since.

The climate control has "fixed" itself lol

Title: Re: I need some advice to get my scorpio ready for
Post by Simmo on Apr 23^rd, 2016, 5:41am

Good news then! :)