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(Message started by: Froscio on Oct 31^st, 2008, 1:36pm)

Title: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Froscio on Oct 31^st, 2008, 1:36pm

Hello guys, newbie from Norway here. Just bought a 1995 2.0 16V, and it has some issues. The ABS/Traction Control lamps is on, and the engine misfired under light load.

So i discovered this wonderful site, with a ton of info.
It was suggested here that my car is OBD2 compliant, so i ordered this scan tool from : http://www.obd2allinone.com/sc/details.asp?item=obd2usb

Well, to my big surprise it did'nt work ! I tried several of the usual software, and even sent a log file to one of the producers of these. He said from the file that it was typical for a OBD2 NON-compliant car !

What???

So my question is:
Is Alex Peppers leads and software the only one that works on these cars? And is it because he modified it to work on them?
And will it work on my 1995 year model, or is it only from 1996 and on?

Please help me, i need to get the car fixed.

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Snoopy on Oct 31^st, 2008, 2:10pm

Are we dealing with a Ford Scorpio and not a granada . The site is for the Ford Scorpio 1994/1998 the one with the frog eyed front as in the picture at the top of the page.

If its the older Granada then its NOT OBDll compliant and requires a star reader. If its the newer one It is as far as I know OBDll Compliant. But I am sure others will know more than me .

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Froscio on Oct 31^st, 2008, 2:22pm

Yes, this is the Frogeye Scorpio.
The reply i got from the OBD2 software guy was that a 1995 year model COULD NOT be OBD 2 compliant, since it did'nt start until 1996. This was an american software though.

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by scorpio_man on Oct 31^st, 2008, 3:30pm

hi there

yes, it's obd2.

to check abs/tc you would need the tri-can lead from obd-2.com , but it costs $240 (you can use it on other cars, though). ::)

your best bet is to post in the problem section and await some replies. post as much info as you can about your problems. :)

hth

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Froscio on Oct 31^st, 2008, 4:50pm

OK, so then Alex'x stuff will work. Good. However, in this thread: http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=OBD;action=display;num=1161255561
It said that the Tricom will read ABS. This is $182, a little cheaper.

Anyhow: how does one order this package? It is not in his "webshop", here: http://www.obd-2.com/dlcnet.html

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by scorpio_man on Oct 31^st, 2008, 5:46pm

hi there

easier if you just email him.

you can get an option for the trican (future proof :-/) is you enter year 2004 and all models.

hth

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Froscio on Nov 3^rd, 2008, 10:10am

Which mail adress should i use to contact Alex P.?

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Tompion on Nov 3^rd, 2008, 12:38pm

I take it you went via the Vehicle Network, Connector Locator and Scan Tool Selector link.

If instead you click on order at the top of the home page then select your payment method you can order the lead you want.
e.g. cedit card:
http://www.obd-2.com/cc.html
Paypal:
http://www.obd-2.com/paypal.html

At the bottom of either page is a sales email address.

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Froscio on Nov 3^rd, 2008, 1:18pm

Ahh, there you go, thanks a lot Tompion. I did not try that page. :P

I guess this is what i need then:
TriCom Most Vehicles with integral connector - $182

And regarding shipping, what should i click, this one:
2 day U.S.P.S tracked confirmed Priority and Global - $4

or this one:
Global Express - $24

Both say global.

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Tompion on Nov 3^rd, 2008, 1:59pm

I use the tricom, but if you want to use it on more vehicles go for the trican.

Depends how quick you want it as to which global to go for.

If you need a usb adapter it’s best to get one from Alex while your at it, as other adaptors can be troublesome.

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Froscio on Nov 3^rd, 2008, 4:14pm

Yes, you are right: i am in a hurry: Global Express it is.
And i tought about that USB adapter, so i am surtain it all works. I'll put in an order tonight then. Thanks alot for your help, guys.

PS: regarding reading other cars: as you see in my first reply, i already have an "multi" OBD2 reader. ;D

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Froscio on Nov 5^th, 2008, 8:43am

Hmm, he does'nt answer my e-mails !

Anyone had contact with him lately?

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Tompion on Nov 5^th, 2008, 9:32am

I gather from other posts that replying to emails isn't his strong point :(

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Froscio on Nov 5^th, 2008, 11:58am

I understand.
My point is: Will it work if i order this:
TriCom Most Vehicles with integral connector - $182

Or does he need to know that it is for the Scorpio?

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Tompion on Nov 5^th, 2008, 2:53pm

I just ordered using the online form selecting the box you mention.
I think there was somewhere in the process a message box where I asked “Please advise if this will not read ABS codes on a 1997 ford Scorpio (as it was recently recommended for this on the fordscorpio.co.uk forums).”
He confirmed on the email receipt “Yes, will support the ABS brakes OK”

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Froscio on Nov 5^th, 2008, 5:10pm

Thanks a million Tompion. Then i will order. ;D

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Froscio on Nov 13^th, 2008, 6:47pm

Well, i got the tricom lead from Alex the other day, and i have been trying for 3 days now, but i can't get it connected to my car. Bummer. I have done it like it says here:

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=OBD;action=display;num=1157053906

But nothing happens. I have tried VE version 155, 154 and 136. 2 different USB cables, reinstalling both VE and USB drivers numerous times.

Here is 2 logs:

Thu 13 Nov 2008 version 1.54
19:18:28.6 - initializing serial port
19:18:28.9 - connected rs232 port 2
19:18:28.9 - Initializing vehicle using Blue Router
19:18:29.6 - Log In #1 SAE J1850 PWM @ 130
19:18:29.6 - over len= 7F
19:18:30.2 - over len= 40
19:18:30.2 - over len= 49
19:18:30.7 - timeout 5 mode= $01
19:18:30.7 - no response
19:18:30.7 - Login #1 ISO 9141-2 @ 120 10 25
19:18:33.5 - no response
19:18:36.2 - Log In #2 SAE J1850 PWM @ 130
19:18:36.2 - active bus
19:18:36.7 - over len= 40
19:18:36.7 - over len= 49
19:18:37.3 - timeout 5 mode= $01
19:18:37.3 - no response
19:18:37.3 - Login #2 ISO 9141-2 @ 120 10 25
19:18:39.4 - Sync=80 W1=0
19:18:39.4 - Key1=57 W2=0
19:18:39.4 - Key2=02 W3=0
19:18:39.4 - Addr=80 W4=0
19:18:42.2 - Log In #3 SAE J1850 PWM @ 130
19:18:42.2 - active bus
19:18:42.7 - over len= 40
19:18:42.7 - over len= 49
19:18:43.4 - timeout 5 mode= $01
19:18:43.4 - no response
19:18:43.4 - Login #3 ISO 9141-2 @ 120 10 25
19:18:45.4 - Sync=80 W1=0
19:18:45.4 - Key1=57 W2=0
19:18:45.4 - Key2=02 W3=0
19:18:45.4 - Addr=80 W4=0
19:18:48.0 - Log In #4 SAE J1850 PWM @ 130
19:18:48.0 - active bus

and the older VE136:

Thu 13 Nov 2008 version 1.36
19:02:35.3 - initializing serial port
19:02:35.6 - connected rs232 port 2
19:02:35.6 - initializing vehicle using blue router
19:02:36.3 - Log In #1 SAE J1850 PWM @ 120
19:02:36.3 - active bus
19:02:36.7 - over len= 40
19:02:36.8 - over len= 49
19:02:37.2 - timeout 4 mode= $01
19:02:37.2 - no response
19:02:37.2 - Login #1 ISO 9141-2 @ 120 10 25
19:02:40.4 - no response
19:02:43.2 - Log In #2 SAE J1850 PWM @ 120
19:02:43.2 - active bus
19:02:43.7 - over len= 40
19:02:43.7 - over len= 49
19:02:44.2 - timeout 4 mode= $01
19:02:44.2 - no response
19:02:44.2 - Login #2 ISO 9141-2 @ 120 10 25
19:02:47.3 - no response
19:02:50.0 - Log In #3 SAE J1850 PWM @ 120
19:02:50.0 - active bus
19:02:50.5 - over len= 40
19:02:50.5 - over len= 49
19:02:50.9 - timeout 4 mode= $01
19:02:50.9 - no response
19:02:50.9 - Login #3 ISO 9141-2 @ 120 10 25
19:02:54.1 - no response
19:02:56.7 - Log In #4 SAE J1850 PWM @ 120
19:02:56.8 - active bus
19:02:57.2 - over len= 40
19:02:57.2 - over len= 49
19:02:57.3 - terminated scan
19:03:00.9 - overwriting C:\DOCUME~1\JAN-BS~1\MINEDO~1\EGNEPR~1\VE136O~1\NOCONECT.dat
19:03:00.9 - saved 0 messages 2 KB to :
C:\DOCUME~1\JAN-BS~1\MINEDO~1\EGNEPR~1\VE136O~1\NOCONECT
manufacturer files:
Core
Not Defined
none

ANY SUGGESTIONS ????

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by scorpio_man on Nov 13^th, 2008, 7:47pm

hi there

just went through this same issue with stafford.

it's the usb driver (i think ;)) that's the problem.

i'd use VE version 151 (http://www.obd-2.com/ve151up.zip).

you'll need to completely remove the driver first (and restart your pc afterwards). then try again.

also download the ford files, if you haven't already.

hth

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Froscio on Nov 13^th, 2008, 9:30pm

Thanks, i will give it a go then.

But what USB driver is correct then? The one i got from Alex is NOT prolific, but the one for my other USB cable was prolific, but it did not help. Altough with this cable i got one step furter in the log: "active bus". Don't know if it is important though.

Got a link for the good driver ?

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by scorpio_man on Nov 14^th, 2008, 9:38am

hi there

i've put the driver on my multiply site, but you might need to be a member to get it.

just apply and i'll make you a member.

http://fordscorpio.multiply.com/journal

hth

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Froscio on Nov 14^th, 2008, 4:26pm

I have applied for membeship.

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Highlander on Nov 14^th, 2008, 4:41pm

Me 2 :D

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by scorpio_man on Nov 14^th, 2008, 5:10pm

all done! ;D

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Froscio on Nov 14^th, 2008, 5:28pm

Thanks man, it will try it then (cross my fingers).

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Froscio on Nov 15^th, 2008, 6:15pm

Well, i don't think this is supposed to happen. I tried VE151 with the USBDR805 driver today, and no luck. I even tried an old PC with serial port, so the USB problem should be eliminated, but nothing.

The fact of the matter is that the log looks EXACTLY the same if the ignition is off as it is when on !!!

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by scorpio_man on Nov 15^th, 2008, 6:43pm

hi there

have you check the car's plug? http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/star.htm

the plug's the same on all cars. ;)

hth

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Froscio on Nov 16^th, 2008, 6:16pm

Well, this is a picture of my plug:

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i93/351RS/Froscio/28102008165.jpg

And if you look at the pinout connection at your link, it should be the same as 2,5 TD and 2.9 12V:

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/star.htm

What gives?

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by gozz on Nov 16^th, 2008, 9:38pm

The 12v only uses pins 3 5 11 and 16 and is OBD 1.Any EEC V equipped car needs OBD 2.
GOZZ.

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Froscio on Dec 2^nd, 2008, 10:56pm

Strange ! Went to the Ford dealer today, to get a scan done. They made contact with the ABS, and cleared a code from a defect wheelsensor(witch i had changed) and read a code 5095 Pump motor failure.

BUT, they could NOT connect to the engine !!! The guy did'nt understand it either, as he said it should work. He got the log connected though, so i could see the O2 sensors seem to work, etc.

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by ADroste on Dec 2^nd, 2008, 11:54pm

on 11/13/08 at 18:47:02, Froscio wrote:

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=OBD;action=display;num=1157053906

...
Thu 13 Nov 2008 version 1.54
19:18:28.6 - initializing serial port
19:18:28.9 - connected rs232 port 2
...

Apparently VE Gateway is set to COM2 to communicate with the lead. If I were you, I would triple check that the Windows device manager really contains the USB adapter owning COM2 for communication. If not you can change it via the extended options for the COM port.

Regards
Armin

Title: Re: Can a 1995 2.0 16V be OBD2 scanned?
Post by Froscio on Dec 3^rd, 2008, 6:24pm

Yes i am aware of this, and made sure it was the same com port on both VE and the device manager. No luck.

But since the dealer could connect to the ABS (ISO) but not the engine (PWM), could it be a fault in the OBD2 connector in the car?