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(Message started by: 2525discord on Aug 23^rd, 2010, 1:09pm)

Title: scan brighton area
Post by 2525discord on Aug 23^rd, 2010, 1:09pm

can any one help with a scan around brighton area please ,have a miss fire ,its the 2.9 scorpio that needs srar type reader,had an elm 327 but that wont fit can it be converted over or who does kit to plug car into lap top fairly cheap thank you .had new plugs an leads still there,some times get a rumble when stopped at traffic lights but clears when you move away

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by Simmo on Aug 23^rd, 2010, 3:04pm

Is This (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/star.htm) any use. :)

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by 2525discord on Aug 24^th, 2010, 3:22pm

think i under stand can i get a converter plug or buy one to convert the elm lead ,who sells them or can i get one off ebay ,as there seems to be lots of plugs but not shore of what one for 2.9l scorpio ,an amazon have star code reader but are they correct models ,dont want to make same mistake an end up with wrong plug on end again ,cheers also any clubs around brighton area

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by Snoopy on Aug 25^th, 2010, 7:28am

You have the older 12v car not the 24 v ... Is that correct?

When you say rumble when you stop can you explain more please.

The 12v is really quite basic when it comes to codes and all you need is an OD type plug as shown on the main site where the links to.

Never found code reader to much good on the 12v really.

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by 2525discord on Aug 25^th, 2010, 2:10pm

yes only 12 v,rumble seems to start some times when stop at traffic lights ,seems to be from middle of car did see some where poss problem with cat ,noise goes when moving away,did think it was car next to me with loud stereo playing that sort of thump thump noise ,will look on ebay for plug may put bit in wanted if some one has spare for sale cheers sean

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by Snoopy on Aug 25^th, 2010, 3:45pm

The plug you require is http://www.ecufix.com/shop/bmz_cache/7/7e6bdf3b20056c2cc8602c243f0debaf.image.159x150.jpg

readily available. Have you replace the rotor arm in the distributor, also clean the coil located on the Nearside wing.

If it's a rumble when stopped it has to be associated either with the gearbox or the exhaust system and if it disappears when driving I would suspect the exhaust but its difficult to diagnose without hearing it or a better description.

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by gozz on Aug 25^th, 2010, 5:19pm

Sean.
As Snoopy says it sounds more like a mechanical problem than an electronic one ! can't really see a scanner solving it.
GOZZ.

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by 2525discord on Aug 26^th, 2010, 2:16pm

ok cheers will try doing rotor,not to mechanical minded thought scan might pin point miss fire cheers again sean

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by 2525discord on Aug 26^th, 2010, 3:28pm

had another look at car managed to get one of them elm 327 plug on it had to push it in hard as said not to good with cars have ordered new rotor arm an if not to much rain at weekend will clean coil cheers for help,an if lead ok now what software will work sean

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by Snoopy on Aug 26^th, 2010, 7:49pm

You need a star reader and its quite easy to make a simple one . With regards Fault codes on the 12v they do not give much guidance really its more of a basic car than the later ones with OBDll . It was as far as I was concerned when I had mine more like the old days and back to basics.
Details on the main web site where you were directed to by Simmo!

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by Tompion on Aug 26^th, 2010, 8:29pm

Yours is EEC-IV I don't think there is any software for connecting to a PC like there is for EEC-V. Even if there is it won't be capable of doing much.

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by gozz on Aug 26^th, 2010, 9:07pm

Sean.
I see from your first post that you have a misfire,this being the case, the rocking of the idling engine could cause a clumping under the car,particularly if the exhaust is near to the cross tiebar under the transmission.A weak transmission rear mount will let the nearside front pipe knock on the bar owing to a lowering of the unit.A temporary fix is to interpose three or four thick washers between the bar and the body.
Have you started with the basics of checking plugs and leads,if you pull the leads off one at a time whilst the engine is running (taking precautions not to receive a jolt) you will hear which one is missing.There is a slim possibility of a leaking valve,a compression check would reveal that.Your engine is the simplest and toughest of them all,and you should be able to diagnose the problem without a code reader,which after all only advises you of electronic unit faults,the 12valve having only the bare minimum, running the EEC IV PCM.
GOZZ.

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by 2525discord on Aug 27^th, 2010, 1:58pm

ok cheers for that will check exhuast at week end an try removing plug leads miss fire was there befor i put new plugs an leads on car,car only done 49000 miles is heavy on fuel could be that model have to drive very light footed,will try to look for star tester if can buy one cheers again

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by 2525discord on Aug 27^th, 2010, 2:10pm

is there a link for any eec-iv software woukd like to give it a play even if can only get basisc stuff cheers for all the advice the ultima is nice car for an estate ;)

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by Snoopy on Aug 28^th, 2010, 7:42am

If its heavy on fuel then make sure you keep the air filter clean, and regular replacement is a good option. The 12v only does high 'teens around town and can get upto 32/34 on a good steady run.

Regular oil changes make a difference and you can use semi synthetic in it. It does not need fully synthetic IMHO.
I changed the oil on mine every 3k but that was personal preference as oil is cheap and the filter is only a couple of £'s.

I don't know if any of the guys on here still have the star tester circuit diagram that we had made up maybe some one will remember who did it.
I did have one but sold it with the car but it really wasn't of that much use!

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by Snoopy on Aug 28^th, 2010, 7:53am

Further to my last post you might like to read THIS (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=OBD;action=display;num=1181384857;start=0#0)

and follow on with the instructions on how to build one is on HERE (http://www.graynada.co.uk/) Follow the link to FCR

Or FCR (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.harby2/ggpfcrpg.html)

Good luck Gosh my head hurts with all this searching so early in the morning.

HOPE IT ALL HELPS!!!!!

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by 2525discord on Aug 28^th, 2010, 5:24pm

ok cheers to all,replaced rotor old on very dirty an inside cap crap,also seem to have loose plug on one side to hot at the mo to get to,that was fitted by a garage,when cools down will try to tighten an see if still miss fire thank you again to all an snoopy

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by 2525discord on Aug 28^th, 2010, 5:29pm

big thanks to snoopy again

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by 2525discord on Aug 29^th, 2010, 8:44pm

spark plug not loose but ceramic bit coming loose when warm gas blowing past it new plug fitted,miss fire gone but still hunting on tick over on long run comp on car said avarage 17.7 to gallon when use kick down on throttle seems to bog down then go,oh the joy engine running very hot ,seems down on performance an using fuel ,

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by Snoopy on Aug 30^th, 2010, 7:28am

Reset the average and see what it does over a tank full of fuel or a couple of weeks on mixed driving.

It is hunting on tickover suggest looking at the air filter and associated parts.
With regards "kickdown" you have to remember that is operated by a solenoid on the side of the gearbox and the throttle position. It did on mine seem to lag somewhat which is why I always used a manual change for instant response much smoother and more control.

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by 2525discord on Sep 9^th, 2010, 9:42am

morning on avarage 14.5 ouch on a run at 40 straight road flat comp on dash shows 19.5 to gallon come to incline or hill drops to around 7 to 8 taking it easy,any one selling a FCR machine please,no smoke out of back of car may try a cat cleaner any owners around brighton thank you sean,may have to see bank about overdraft to book into garage divorce expensive

Title: Re: scan brighton area
Post by 2525discord on Sep 20^th, 2010, 3:00pm

have been using some thing called cat cleaner off ebay fuel usage has gone up yipee,been to local garage they tried 5 scanners no luck reading they even borrowed one from another garage still no joy reading,phoned gunns a ford dealer in seaford they said they cant help with a diagnostic reader any one around sussex with one cheers