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Title: Dealer exagerations!! Post by Baz on Jan 6th, 2005, 10:10am Just had a look on EBay and there is a guy selling a 1998 Silver facelift 16v which has 47000 on the clock. Nice ultima spec and looks good (looks like mine actually so it must do!!) The bit that made me laugh was part of his description and I quote "Finished with Brilliant Silver coachwork and contrasting Raven Connolly hide upholstery with Burr Walnut veneer dash and cappings" I think he may be getting a bit confused with a Bentley or something because mine certainly doesn't have connolly hide nor does it have burr walnut dash and door cappings!! Also the headlamp washers are missing oh and it has had a new speedo and is only showing 26000 miles.....suddenly doesn't look quite soooo goood Baz http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=9844&item=4507333838&rd=1 |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by waders on Jan 6th, 2005, 1:25pm Hmmm.... missing washers :-/......crash repair and only washer model bumper avail :o.......crash repair done on the cheep and not replaced ::).........crash :P......... 8) ::) 8) ::) 8) |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by TaperOne on Jan 6th, 2005, 3:39pm Hi, I could be wrong here, but isn't the mileage held in the ECU, not the speedo. If my thinking is right, this could be a genuine 26k miler. If so, surely worth a look to anyone wanting one. Aye Aye, anyone told the Captain! Cheers TaperOne |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by waders on Jan 6th, 2005, 3:46pm No, the dealer say's its done 47000, but it's showing 26000 on the new clock!! 8) ;D 8) ;D 8) |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by TaperOne on Jan 6th, 2005, 3:55pm Hi Waders, I hear what you are saying, but if the speedo was changed at 19k in 2000, it might only have done 7k since then. All the dealer is doing is adding up the two mileages. I am sure it is mentioned on the website somewhere that changing the speedo does not alter the mileage as it is held in the ECU. Hopefully someone can confirm this. Cheers TaperOne PS. Might see you at the Herts meet. Live in Harrow so not too far to go. |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by Lee on Jan 6th, 2005, 4:06pm still a pretty looking scorp, what is burr walnut dash and can i get some i have only got plastic that looks like wood ::) Lee roll on the 16th |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by waders on Jan 6th, 2005, 4:07pm Harrow, just up the road from me in Barnet ::). So I'll see you on the 16th ;D Re-read the add though, the car has done the 26k since 2000 :o 8) ;D 8) ;D 8) Barry. Ps. Lee, Burr means it's cold round 'ere, or butter if your french! A cold buttery trim then ??? |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by Lee on Jan 6th, 2005, 4:21pm thanks barry i think i will stay with the warm plastic one then :-/, how many for the 16th do you know yet ;D Lee 8) |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by waders on Jan 6th, 2005, 4:27pm I also noticed that the dealer say's the Scorp has two keys with it and no mention of the red one, strange if it had such carefull owners ;) No history mentiond other than an invoice for new clocks! :o 8) ;D 8) ;D 8) |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by waders on Jan 6th, 2005, 4:31pm on 01/06/05 at 16:21:33, Lee wrote:
10 Scorps have shown an interest and probably some Mk2 & Mk3 Granny's 8) Any more for any more? All welcome. Barry |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by dexix on Jan 6th, 2005, 6:32pm Talking of scorps on ebay not looking quite right what about this one? It appears to be a facelift but does not have tinted headlights and the fogs dont look right either? Anyone agree? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=9844&item=4517579902&rd=1 |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by craig on Jan 6th, 2005, 6:37pm well then firstly,1998 and 6 previous owners already :o not even sure if it's an ultima you know,front indicators,and those wheels,looks more like a ghia/ghia x to me,could well be wrong though |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by Snoopy on Jan 6th, 2005, 6:55pm It is an Ultima Registered 1998 in Nouveau Red according to the VRM |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by Badboytunes on Jan 6th, 2005, 7:05pm maybe its got the wrong wheels on it. an owner could of sold the nice 12 spokes to sum crazy person desperate to upgrade their scorp..... ;D ;D As for the bumpers ect it could well be made on the change over from normal to facelift? who knows, scorps are a law unto themselves ;) |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by craig on Jan 6th, 2005, 7:16pm sound's about right nick,think we all know about that particular bit of ford's "querkyness" ;) ;) ;) still dont seem right to me though ??? |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by Badboytunes on Jan 6th, 2005, 8:11pm on 01/06/05 at 18:37:53, craig wrote:
Craig, i emailed him and asked about the bumper and wheels, here is his reply..... it does have the facelift front end and this is one of the last one made as for the wheels there ford ones View this listing now to bid or purchase this item. Item # Item Title Listing end date 4517579902 1998 ford scorpio ultima 2.3 16v auto swap/px 16-Jan-05 Thank you, amautos what do you make of that??? |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by Baz on Jan 6th, 2005, 8:25pm Personally I would say that it is a facelift model but it has had a front end crunch, hence the headlights and the wrong bumper, as facelifts in breakers yards are non existant usually. It has the centre rear headrest and also the 3 point rear centre belt so it is definately a 98 model. The wheels are the old (95,96) Ultima alloys and are only 15" as opposed to the 16" 12 spokes. I would definately think it has had a smash at the front and the bumper came with the wrong lights (no fogs) but they used them anyway Just my opinion (There's not only Eric that can play Sherlock!!) Baz |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by Badboytunes on Jan 6th, 2005, 8:32pm LOL well done Baz..... didnt think of that ;D are u a policeman? |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by dexix on Jan 6th, 2005, 8:34pm I agree with Baz 100 percent - its a shame really as it puts you off knowing the repair has been done "on the cheap" as opposed to new parts through an insurer. I have to say I am glad I am a member of this illustrious forum as a year ago I could well have bought that car not knowing any different! |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by Baz on Jan 6th, 2005, 8:46pm I could be putting you all off the trail then put a cheap bid in myself!! And no I am not a policeman....I'm far to honest a person for that! Baz |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by mr._floppy on Jan 6th, 2005, 10:38pm Mmmm, one of the best I've seen on E-Bay, and looks like he'll get the book price. I'm always a bit worried when the odometer cluster is replaced, Why?, what possible calamity can befall a 2 year old speedo ? My old pessemistic outlook always thinks it's a ploy to conceal true mileage. |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by Baz on Jan 7th, 2005, 12:22am I like the bit on the auction for the silver one where he says at the end: Do not bid and then remove that bid after several days, as you then just drop the highest bid on to the under bidder who thought they have lost the car and bought else where. Result: I loose the sale and every one gets very upset as you now have a non paying bidder situation. If you bid you HONOUR that bid until auction end, even if you are out bid! So what, thats how some people play Ebay to see what the competion have bid up to. Then at the last minute you bid the same again and this time you win!! |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by craig on Jan 7th, 2005, 6:55am well,looks like the smart money is on a "front ender" then,cant think of no other reason than that,will watch and see what it goes for,but too many "uncertainties" about the car for my liking,and back to the car being 7 years old,but has already had 6 owners... ???... nick,bet your glad your getting a saab now.... ;) not long to wait now.. ;D 3 months and counting yeah !!?? :) :) |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by john.n on Jan 7th, 2005, 7:40am Re. the milage. The total milage is held in the "2nd" memory of the ecu. Although this can also be removed by unscrupulous people. john.n :( |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by JohnJ on Jan 7th, 2005, 9:41am Whoever had the car and before selling took off the ultima wheels and stuck them on the wifes mondeo, seen it done before, they look massive on any other car. but it just rises suspision and the members on this site seem to go in for the kill once they can smell a rat!!! which is a good thing to say the least. JJ It has as mentioned definatly had a front ender, and that could also explain the dodgy wheels(only because there on this car), maybe one of the originals got damaged in the crash. Wouldnt go neer it with a barge pole, (or the silver one) with 26,000 no 40ish on the car or the clock! now I'm happy with mine knowing it origonal ::) There is so much rubbish out there and its easy to get caught. |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by TaperOne on Jan 7th, 2005, 10:29am Looks like someone bought the silver one as it has been withdrawn from auction. Be interesting to see if the new owner appears on the forum. Regards TaperOne |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by waders on Jan 7th, 2005, 1:53pm on 01/07/05 at 09:41:35, JohnJ wrote:
I have to agree with you Johnj, I bought mine eyes wide open to what it would need in the near future. Over the next few months I will be changing the 3 wheel brngs that have not yet failed and also the front wish bone bushes, anti roll bar mounts and drop rods, only a matter of time......125k is time ::) If you believe you bought a "low" miles example and you needed to do all that you'd be rightfully upset >:( 8) ;D 8) ;D 8) |
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Title: Re: Dealer exagerations!! Post by Badboytunes on Jan 7th, 2005, 5:43pm Hi Craig..... yes i cant wait........ just under 9 weeks :D :D |
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