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Title: It's getting too expensive... Post by Vulcan on Feb 12th, 2005, 1:05am ATM we are clearing a load of old debts but the Scorp isn't helping :( It's eating money now with the new discs,pads, wishbones etc. Done the gearbox oil change and although better it still waits a second or two before engaging reverse. According to my expert this is an oil seal on the reverse/3rd gear clutch that needs replacing but sadly it's a box rebuild that sorts it. Won't get worse but won't get better either. I am now a bit tired with it and to be honest.. although I love the car... if someone made me a reasonable offer i would be sad to see it go but it would ease some financial probs we have. She's perfect in every other way and has all the Ghia toys with Leather in black to match the Panther Black paint. Aftermarket five spoke alloys and a drop down DVD player for the back seats with remote headphones... It's down to the point where the gearbox glitch is the only problem ... Don't want to see her go... but at the moment we can't afford the extravagance of a second car that needs so much attention. |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Just Call Me Captain on Feb 12th, 2005, 8:37am Sorry to hear your having problems George Hope the Box gets sorted I will buy the flag - if it helps ;) Captain |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by waders on Feb 12th, 2005, 11:07am Sad for you mate :( I've had to do the same in the past :'( But things have a habbit of changing, thats how I own my Scorp now, skint one year and flush the next :-/ I hope you end up not having to let her go ;D but if you do, start planning the next one ;) Regards Barry. |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by craig on Feb 12th, 2005, 1:43pm i suppose it's a case of the never ending 2 when buying a second hand car...... 1 is depreciation and 2 is maintainence i think most of us now have gone past the first one,and the 96/97 cars are now coming up to 80-100,000 miles,this is when things can start to get a little expensive,bushes,joints etc.etc.... wish i could offer some words of advice,but i dont think no one can.... pretty sure barry has said it all "skint" 1 year "flush" the next.... still waiting for my "flush" years,when they happen,i'll let you all know ;) ;) ;) good luck though george,hope it all works out for you.... |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by johnv on Feb 12th, 2005, 2:50pm when i was under training in the RAF to drive the Alvis Salermander Air Crash Truck. a hugh and very heavy truck, wider than a double decker bus. could only go on Public Highway with a RAF Police escort. unless it was going to an accident. then all rules are dis-reguarded. Well that was Automatic, fluid coupling, no clutch. I was taught by Rolls Royce the makers of the engine. We where all told, to count up to three before moving the gear selector when going from forward and reverse or the other way around. I remember this to this day, and when I reverse my Scopio's cars off my drive, before I move the gear lever in to forward, I count up to three. (it don't take long) then I never end up with a clonk or thud. |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Paul B on Feb 12th, 2005, 5:52pm Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. What does one do at a time like this? :-/ Well, if someone had turned up at my place and offered me 20 quid for mine, I'd have taken it! That's how bad I felt. But you have to look at these things that need doing and think, "Well if I get rid of it, how much can I expect to get? And then once I've got my 1500 quid or however little it will be, what on earth will I get with that?" As lovely as some of our cars are, they're worth practically nothing. My advice would be to stick with it if you can. I mean, if the gearbox appears to be the only problem on the horizon. If there's other stuff on the way, it might be a different story. Paul (Didn't realise it at the time, but I fear I may have already had my flush years :() |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Badboytunes on Feb 12th, 2005, 6:16pm on 02/12/05 at 17:52:48, Paul B wrote:
I'll be round in a bit M8y :D :D :D :D keep it in the family and all that ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Paul B on Feb 12th, 2005, 7:33pm :D Unfortunately (for you) I'm in the mood for fixing it again now. ;D It might be a different story again tomorrow... I'll let you know ;) |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by bertie on Feb 12th, 2005, 9:24pm Keep the faith Vulcan..... I run 2 Scorps...so sometimes feel the pinch...he he but seriously.........what would you replace it with???? nowt...........and you would regret flogging the scorp BETTER THE DEVIL YOU KNOW in times of downess I always say.... keep it for another 6 months then review.......then the same again...... |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Baz on Feb 12th, 2005, 10:23pm But Bertie, you have more cars than the Autotrader so you wouldn't miss one anyway!! ;) |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by SaveTheNight on Feb 12th, 2005, 11:15pm bertie ...it's a Scorpio mate !! ..make that six WEEKS and review ! :o :o :o |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Chad66 on Feb 14th, 2005, 1:32pm Well Vulcan, you aren't the only one considering cutting his losses at the moment. I've just received the good news that the 'box is knac***ed and quoted £900 for a fitted replacement. This is on top of the £200 just spent on a steering rack and the £500 estimate to sort out the air con. Lots of other niggles like the 'dim' alternator warning light, intermittent heater blower and broken drivers door lock (all common faults I know). Maybe this would all be OK if it wasn't for the 16mpg I am getting at the moment (200 miles on a tankful is not funny!!....new box will help, but was only getting 18-20 anyway!) All-in-all the Scorps a bit of a money pit....and its not even done 60K yet!. Some serious thinking to be done over the next few days...keep it or part chop it?..... Is it me, or are the Scorpios a lot more delicate than the Granada?? Had a 2.0 DOHC 1990 for 6 years and 80K+ miles....apart from tyres and discs only needed to replace head gasket and radiator!...and it'd do 35mpg on a run. |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by LiverpaulH on Feb 14th, 2005, 3:12pm It's a shame that the costs are so much for you Vulcan and Chad. Following the trouble I had in my 1993 Granny scorp auto with the autobox I can understand. I'm pleased to now be running a manual. I hope you can find ways to keep them. As Bertieand Bon Jovi said - keep the faith. Paul |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Badboytunes on Feb 14th, 2005, 10:44pm I too had a scorp granny dohc auto. biggest load of poo. went thru 3 boxes. the last one cost £780 to exchange/fit. i sold the car for £800....... oh and a head gasket ....... and a £400 toad alarm..... and the air con never worked......... so maybe the scorp not too different. :D Keep the faith Cheers Nick |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Just Call Me Captain on Feb 15th, 2005, 2:09am Is it worth it ?? Yes it is Captain |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Chad66 on Feb 17th, 2005, 2:51pm AAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Decisions, decisions...still can't decide whether to bite the bullet and get the jobs done that need doing or just get rid.....only problem is we've been spoilt by the Scorp..there's nothing out there that has what the Scorp has....if only it all worked at the same time!! ;D Can't bring myself to spend nearly £2K getting a car sorted thats worth nowhere near that, unless I'm going to keep it for a while....and then i start thinking of 18mpg....and then i think OK, its going and i'm going to spend that £2k towards getting something more economical... See what I mean, you go round in circles for ages thinking about this!! AT WHAT POINT DO YOU DECIDE ENOUGH IS ENOUGH???? |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Chad66 on Feb 17th, 2005, 3:00pm Forgot to add....only thing thats got my attention so far is a Xantia 1.9TD Estate....5 years old and low (60K) miles....STOP LAUGHING.....I'm quite excited at the prospect of 45mpg Pretty good space wise and its got most of the toys....plus theres that trim lever in the middle to play with the suspension.... Anyone got any experience with these things?? |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by low_tom on Feb 17th, 2005, 3:09pm it's worth it cos they're great cars,they stand out and you can really enjoy driving them. drive goes to the wheels it's supposed to and you can fit people in in comfort. I daren't add up what i've spent on mine,but i love it and i'm gonna keep hold of it for as long as i can. I wanted one years ago but couldn't afford to buy or insure it. and now i have one ;D |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by waders on Feb 17th, 2005, 5:43pm on 02/17/05 at 15:09:11, low_tom wrote:
DITTO!! 8) ;D 8) ;D 8) |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by johnv on Feb 17th, 2005, 7:36pm that's what i like about scorpio's, rear wheel drive, i can't stand those front wheel drive cars. I understand only BMW make rear wheel drive now. could be wrong. I always spend money on repairs, when i was attached to certain cars. You say to yourself well I will spend this money then everything will be fine and I got a real good car, then something else goes. So a repeat performance, then its the same and the same all the time. When is the best time to say enought is enought, no ones knows. My own view, on my cars, is i going to keep them, no matter what, because the condition is like new as regards body and inside. Except that I got four, I don't need four, so on the 1996 2.0 estate, I got it in my mind as its done 138,000 miles that if this one goes wrong to the tune of say £1000 or more. (say Auto gearbox or the like), I will do a madmanspcorio and rip it apart, but not sell the parts like he does, but put then in my out house as spares for the others. |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Baz on Feb 17th, 2005, 8:59pm John, I have often wondered why you have so many and do you have a photo of them all together? Now that would be nice Baz |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by johnv on Feb 17th, 2005, 9:31pm well i got a digital camera. i know how to send photos by email and even put them onto ebay but not able to work it out yet how to put them on this site. |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by johnv on Feb 17th, 2005, 9:44pm i park them three abreast on my front forecourt, plenty of room to get inbeteem them to wash them etc. but can't just get the four on, so one have to stay outside. But if the 1996 one should go wrong I will just keep the three. Its handy having spare motors, if you leave the car phone on over the weekend and flatten the battery no big deal, you jump into one of the others. And if the Ford Main Dealer ignores your car and at tea time you find that they have not even looked at it and the same the next day. It fourteen miles to my son's school and fourteen miles back. it takes 20 minutes, a very pleasant run, it would take 2 hours or longer to get there by train and buses before and after the train. so got to have a good motor. Its not the sort of school you can have a day off or turn up late, very serious stuff, as i can see from the school notice boards. LOL. All the brats, refer to them going to work not going to school. |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by johnv on Feb 17th, 2005, 10:13pm well the first car I got was the 2.0 estate. Funny this but I had just got a computer, did not know anythink about them self taught.now. So I discovered the ebay by it coming up and messing around saw it on a colthing page not the car pages, so bid on it and got it. did not have to go far, just to Birmingham from Coventry. It used to beyond to a company so was fitted with car phone and private phone left in. real nice car. then i saw the 2.3 Estate in Atlantic blue not on ebay "S" reg with washers for head lamps and rear reversing sensors. done only 45,000 miles or something like. I had just missed one that a garage was selling in London for £9995 for a same car that had done just 32,000 miles. So that should have been that, and it was till recent, when I saw the red car on ebay in reading, done only 60,000 miles. So I throught that if I could get that for £3500 or less I would have that, because it had only done 60,000 miles and it was a sheer stunning car by far the very best around. which turned out to be false. so i when ahead with it because it is so nice inside and the body un-marked etc. So b****r me, two weeks later, the cosworth came up for sale and that was in Birmingham as well just done 60,000 miles. So I like everyone else throught Cosworth, the best thing since sliced bread. Well I won't say anything more about Cosworth's, don't want to upset any Cosworth owners. so I just had to have it. All four cars are just like they left the factory, what I mean is no supermarkets dints or dents, immaculate. The insides are just like new as well. If that cosworth had come up before the red saloon, I would have let it pass by. Anyway, my son likes the cosworth, but i don't go fast 60 mph to school because they are not motorway type roads. Hey baz, you know how Ford sent the cosworth cars out the factory with just the 24V badge on the sides, to not advertise the fact that the car was a cosworth. Well the last owner was a managing director of Guest Motors, big Ford Dealers In Birmingham. On the front and rear bumper it got Cosworth in very large letters. must be transfers I reckon. but look real nice and just so large. So I don't use that car late at night if I know I got to park it somewhere where it could get nicked. |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Paul B on Feb 18th, 2005, 7:55am So... are all these cars taxed and insured all the time? ??? I've got another car and a van for work, but I can't always afford to have all 3 running legally at the same time. |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Baz on Feb 18th, 2005, 8:34am John to insert a picture, first you need to host it on a site such as www.tinypic.com. You just browse using the button, for the picture you want and then click "Host It" It then gives goes through its routine and the page reloads with a box at the bottom containing 3 web-like addresses. If you highlight and then click copy, the one which begins with "[ img]" and ends with"[ /img]" the picture can then be inserted into the posting box you fill in to send a post to here. Just click the preview button before you submit and you will be able to see what it will look like. I would be interested to see the pictures you have. PS, If the pictures are pretty big, just post the link from tinypic which is the normal www.****.jpg and we can look at it on their site Baz |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by johnv on Feb 18th, 2005, 12:15pm all taxed and insured the insurance is cheap because i am the only driver. so when one is on the road the other three are not. |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Just Call Me Captain on Feb 18th, 2005, 2:46pm Hi John - So what you are saying - if you are a named and sole driver - You can insure two cars for the same price ?? How does that work if - lets say a fire and both got burnt out ?? Captain |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by johnv on Feb 18th, 2005, 4:47pm No! No! No! No!. (is that enought No's) that's not what i saying. In the old days you brought a car and started with no NCB and each year you progressively get NCB until you get your maxium. Then you buy a second car and still wish to keep the first, so you have to start all over again to build up another NCB for the second car. (There are lots and lots of insurance companies still work like that). I am with Saga and they allow me the same NCB on all four cars. So with other companies I would have had to build up four NCB. But I am the only driver, my wife can't drive, (thank goodness) but my son can, trouble is he only 9 so can't see where he going. But at least it handy having him to give advice. very good at doing this. So I got agreed value insurance, (you try asking your insurance company for that) So just to mention one, the 1996 2.0 estate. insured for £3000 because of its condition. so if the repairs would cost £3000 or more, I would get £3000 less the excess of £200, making £2800 due to me. I got agreed value on all my cars. And I got Protected NCB so I can make two claims in five years without it effecting my NCB. You can get in touch with Saga all year round straight away and they are their own insurance company. no dealing with others. |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by johnv on Feb 18th, 2005, 4:55pm Sorry I missed that about insured two cars for the same price. No you can't do that, you have to insure each car, but you can insure each on the one NCB. But with Saga I found them the very best prices and you will not end up in trouble having a battle like with Norwich Union etc. There are people who will say but I pay £5 less per year than you. but you have to conpare like with like. I could knock about £60 off my insurance straight away by not having protected NCB and having an excess of £500 instead of £200. |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by johnv on Feb 18th, 2005, 4:57pm you can insurance on a block policy to include a number of cars but it very exspensive doing it that way, also lots of companies will not do that. I thinking it might be for private hire companies. |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Vulcan on Feb 19th, 2005, 1:31am on 02/18/05 at 12:15:20, johnv wrote:
Excuse me... you say you know so much about insurance but the above statement is utter nonsense... a car is insured whether it is driven (or even if it CAN'T be driven) standing off the road, on the road, or moving on it. So to say you get cheaper insurance because only one of four is on the road under "risk" is patently wrong. You insure it as an item that is at risk... immaterial of whether it drives at all. My old Granada Ghia was off the road for 4 months while I had it sorted, it was around the back of my house nowhere near the road and because it had no brakes it could not be driven... but I was still obliged to insure it properly. (I know this as the Police came round specifically to make sure I had it ingrained in my head).. flippin' nosey neighbours.. ;D |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by johnv on Feb 19th, 2005, 2:11pm to vulcan, its seen like you trying to pick an argument here. i have never said that i know so much about insurance. send me a copy of when i said that. also you are not understanding what is being written. of course all cars are insured all the time, but the fact that only one is being driven and on the public highway at anyone time is different from having all four being driven and on the public highway. at the same time. Also the fact that I never made a claim in all my life and have a maxium 70% NCB and no parking, speeding and all the rest puts me in a very good like with my insurance company. It so very clear that you are upset or anoyed that you are with Norwich Union and I left posting to state what have gone on with others that have been treated badly by them. Because that was all they where, posting on bad service to others, just like I leave bad postings about my Ford Main Dealer. You where told not to read if you where a Norwich Union insured, but you choose to read, so its you own fault is you did read. |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Vulcan on Feb 19th, 2005, 3:26pm No mate not trying to start an argument, more a discussion or even just straightforward light hearted banter just as I would if I were face to face with you. I said you seem to know so much about insurance because it just seems to me that 80% or more of your posts are about insurance in one way or another or are bashing Norwich Union as insurers. The whole subject is becoming tiresome, I am not annoyed or upset that I am insured with NU, quite the contrary in fact as they are very nice people (to me at least) Lastly I don't think it is appropriate for anyone to make a posting then dictate whom they think should or should not read it, this is a public discussion forum and as such all posts can and will be read by everybody. I read EVERY post on here and will continue to do so regardless of being told that I in a group that should not view something. As I said at the start I am not trying to start any arguments nor I hope does anything I say give offence, if anyone feels that it does then just tell me and I will retract any offending statment and be more careful in future. Have a nice day. ;D ;D ;D George |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Paul B on Feb 19th, 2005, 3:51pm I'm personally not offended by any comments made so far. But I am slightly concerned that this topic is getting out of hand (as things sometimes do). And the last time there was a discussion which got a bit heated, four people got banned. I must say though, I don't quite understand how you're getting a reduced rate for 'regular' cars. The agreed value, limited mileage policies for classic cars I fully understand - I have one of those. But if I were to go and buy another Scorpio, I'm certain I'd have to start a new policy with zero no-claims. That's what happened with the 2 regular policies I have running now. But they're now both up to maximum NCD (or they were until recently :-[) so I'm not too worried anymore. But anyway, let's not argue eh? |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by low_tom on Feb 19th, 2005, 5:37pm all insurance companies operate different quoting structures,and offer different benefits. I had an Equity Red Star policy a few years back that allowed me to insure 4 bikes on the same policy,the premium was higher than just for one,but lower than if i insured them all seperately by about a grand. However i have tried in vain to find a multiple car policy that was reasonable. The company who i used to insure my yanks when i had them would do multiple cars,but only yanks. Horses for courses gentlemen, At the end of the day,if you're happy with what you have, then why challenge others? 1....2....3.....breathe.... :) |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by johnv on Feb 19th, 2005, 6:20pm well there has been lots said on insurance, so how did it all start. ------------------------------------------------------------------- It started with that poor student guy asking for help when a taxi driver (I believe, without going back in time to look it up) damaged his car quite bad and the insurance company would not repair his car. The student was entitled to have his car put right and be in the position he was in before his car was damaged. So the poor student was given the run around and given much grief by the insurance company. After much time in given the student heart-acre, the insurance company agreed to do what they should have done in the first place. No doubt what us people said on this site, help the Student guy to stand his ground and get what he was entitled to in the first place. -------------------------------------------------------------------- So it dried down, but a week ago I was driven home by a top guy from one of the largest and best car repairs firms I know of. and the guy started to tell me about the best insurance company he deal with and the worst he has to deal with. I did not speak a word, so can not be said I prompted him. So I left that further posting because I throught people would like to know. If I was or was considering an insurance company or in deed any trader I won't to know the good ones and the bad ones. There is nothing personal, if someone finds out anything about my insurance please tell me, I won't to know, and I will thank them for bringing it to my attention. |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by johnv on Feb 19th, 2005, 6:25pm However i have tried in vain to find a multiple car policy that was reasonable --------------------------------------------------------------------- and me, that was what i first tried to do. four cars on one policy. no takers. either do not do that type of policy or its far to expensive |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by johnv on Feb 19th, 2005, 7:03pm But if I were to go and buy another Scorpio, I'm certain I'd have to start a new policy with zero no-claims. That's what happened with the 2 regular policies I have running now. But they're now both up to maximum NCD (or they were until recently --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Paul, When I was younger I had to do that. I had a maxium NCB on my car and when I got another car I had to start all over again. There are lots of insurance companies that will require you to do that. even now. most of them. But if you try seeking them out, there are some like mine that will allow you one and only NCB on any amount of cars you have. But only if you insure them owner only driver. (Well they not going to do that if a whole lot of people are going to be jumping in them. I keep saying this but can people not understand. I got four cars, so these are on private land, not on the public highway. So as they are owner only driver only one is on the public highway. at any one time. So of course they are all insured all the time. If someone comes and set light to them all, they are all insured. So it must be that the worst risk is being driven on the public highway. and the insurance company consider that the risk being parked upon private land is not to great. But it must be taken into account my excellent record of nether making a motor claim. Again my house and contents are with them, my telephone, in fact most of my business is with them. I guess on this part now, but I wonder if that counts in their decision. Anyway if anyone else is getting a second car and only has the one NCB if worth asking all the insurance companies to do what mine does for me. It does not hurt to ask. But forget it, if your wife or anyone else is going to drive or you not got a 100% CLEAN RECORD. |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Paul B on Feb 19th, 2005, 7:04pm Hmm.... So George.... You keeping the car then? ::) |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Vulcan on Feb 19th, 2005, 7:23pm Yeah for the moment, I'll have to lay it up till I can afford to recon the gearbox but I have use of a natty 1.6Efi Orion till then ;) |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by ren on Feb 19th, 2005, 9:35pm George Sorry about this but have i missed something your saying u got to lay the car up until u can afford a recon box, I thought the mechanic report said and quote It wont get better but it wont get worse, as something more happened. under those circumstances would have thought u could have used it . Ren |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Badboytunes on Feb 19th, 2005, 9:47pm on 02/19/05 at 19:23:21, Vulcan wrote:
Hope ya missus don't read the posts George..... :D :D |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Vulcan on Feb 19th, 2005, 11:20pm this is the missus..he has been suitably beaten up...my ikkle dusty daisy is more than able for the job.....natty orion.......she's my first car and goes like brown stuff off a stick, 1.6si 16v, killer on the insurance but so much pleasure under the foot, body work sound and mechanically perfect for her age, she's like a minature scorp, natty orion..!!!! we'll see |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Vulcan on Feb 20th, 2005, 3:31am ouch :o |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by Vulcan on Feb 20th, 2005, 3:35am on 02/19/05 at 21:35:40, ren wrote:
yeah sorry ren.. I can use it but as you will appreciate.. something which is "ailing" doesn't fill you with confidence so i feel that it's best to lay it up because I CAN... then i have no issues with doing any more damage (even though I'm told it isn't likely) . does this make any sense? |
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Title: Re: It's getting too expensive... Post by ren on Feb 20th, 2005, 10:32am Yer know what you mean best not take chance I trailered mine from Wales were i bought it from knowing the bottom end was knocking the guy said it be ok if you drive back at around 2000revs what i said back along the M50/M5/M6 no chance Ren |
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