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(Message started by: johnv on Feb 19^th, 2005, 7:38pm)

Title: POSH PETROL
Post by johnv on Feb 19^th, 2005, 7:38pm

I thinking that supermarkets petrol stations do not sell it.
I been looking around my large Tesco, walked around all the pumps and its all un-leaded or diesel.
Again at Safeways.
Anyway I not bothered, because just 1 mile down the road there is a BP forecore with a little safeways attached to it and the petrol is BP and they have it.

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by music_master on Feb 19^th, 2005, 7:40pm

how much is the posh petrol per litre near you :D

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by johnv on Feb 19^th, 2005, 8:35pm

The BP normal un-leaded petrol used to be 78.9 and the Ultimate petrol, (what I call Posh petrol) 5p more so 83.9.
But I just filled up yesterday and its gone up to un-leaded 80.9 so now 85.9.
But wait till tomorrow, because I going to fill up one of the other cars and I can tell you right up-todate, tomorrow.
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But I can say for concrete sure, that the un-leaded petrol at Safeways supermarkets is 2p cheaper than at the small safeways Petrol station.
I.m told that it is because the small Safeways the petrol station belongs to BP and safeways sort of rent or lease or whatever the shop.

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by Badboytunes on Feb 19^th, 2005, 11:18pm

Posh petrol.....??? You mean super unleaded? If so then thats for highperformance cars like porche, lambo's and scooby's and the like......

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by low_tom on Feb 20^th, 2005, 12:19am

i think johnv just means high octane unleaded. gimmme elf blugas anyday in a 2-stroke motard ;D

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by johnv on Feb 20^th, 2005, 8:47am

posh means the BP Ultimate or that shell petrol that is about 5p more expensive that the normal un-leaded.
But I finding it not more expensive as it giving me more miles per gallon.
I mean up from 19 to 22 MPG on my 2.0 16V sometimes it goes to 23 but drops to 22 MPG most of the time.
I hooked on it now.

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by johnv on Feb 20^th, 2005, 8:52am

Sunday morning BP petrol is 78.99 for normal un-leaded at super-markets and 80.99 at the BP garage type sellors.
But I seen at a Esso garage 78.99 but not seen it any cheaper unless you go to Asda.
Got only knows what petrol they are selling.
I think that Super-markets should mark their pumps with who's petrol they are selling.

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by Lee on Feb 20^th, 2005, 10:49am

posh petrol is ok, but i'm working class so do they do a working class petrol ;D
Lee

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by Paul B on Feb 20^th, 2005, 1:10pm

I'm getting my upper class fuel from Sainsbury's.

I'm led to believe its Shell petrol but I'm yet to find anyone working in the garage who seems to know :-/

Anyway, it does respond better with this stuff in it. And if you spend enough in the main store you get a money off coupon which makes the super the same price as working class fuel ;)

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by johnv on Feb 20^th, 2005, 3:29pm

posh petrol is ok, but i'm working class so do they do a working class petrol
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they sell working class fuel at all garages, but its not called petrol its called diesel.

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by johnv on Feb 20^th, 2005, 3:34pm

hi paul, At my Sainsburys if you spend £50 you get money coupons off. that's what you mean.
But what does it say on the pump as regards what type of fuel it is.
I mean we all know what un-leaded mean, what do they call the posh petrol.
Someone said a while ago that Tesco petrol was shell or any other fuel they can get hold off.
i don't like that at all. I mean one week Shell, the next week Jet, then the next week Esso and who knows what you would be buying from week to week.

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by Dave on Feb 20^th, 2005, 3:39pm

Hullo all. I've said it before and i'll say it again.. standard unleaded and diesel, whether it be called premium (esso) or whatever, is the same across all sites. Literally. It's not just brewed to the same strength, it's literally the same stuff. There are two main fuel sites (there are more, but) in England and 'Hoyer' operate in Manchester and serve as far as the midlands and yorkshire.. When they take fuel to Esso sites, they use a tanker with an Esso label, when they take it to Shell sites, they use one with a Shell label.

As for 'super' and 'optimax' unleaded I believe they have time and space to brew the various different types for different sites. When I worked at an Esso (I worked at an Esso :-[ ), an average delivery would include 25,000 litres of petrol, 15,000 litres of diesel, and about 2,000 litres of super unleaded.

Interesting esso trivia:
The Hoyer trucks are serviced every fortnight and in a lifetime normally cover around two million miles.
The Hoyer staff shift patterns are worked out by a highly paid psychologist/sleep expert.
You have to deal one million litres of fuel a year to succeed in the fuel retail game.
They make more profit on one pint of milk than they do on 40 litres of fuel.

End.

D

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by johnv on Feb 20^th, 2005, 4:38pm

They make more profit on one pint of milk than they do on 40 litres of fuel.
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Well, I for one will not be putting any milk in my petrol tank.
I can understand that petrol is petrol, but the Posh petrol must be different, if only to have additives in, because it increases my MPG. (no doubt about it),
So where does BP petrol come from? the same place as Shell and Esso.
Don't forget that the large Tesco I when to all their pumps where marked un-leaded. No pumps had the words Super on them.
Still next week I go to a Sainsbury supermarket and see what it says on their pumps.
I thinking now why sell un-leaded petrol, why not just sell the Posh or super petrol because when you take into account the extra miles you get it works out at the same price.

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by mr._floppy on Feb 20^th, 2005, 5:14pm

You could become ( or pretend ) to be a farmer and fill up your Deisel Scorp at 14 p a litre.

Oops!

I'm not inferring that ALL our Country Friends indulge in this illegal activity .

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by Eddie on Feb 20^th, 2005, 7:47pm

Sainsburys do 97 octane unleaded :D

eddie

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by Badboytunes on Feb 20^th, 2005, 7:56pm

on 02/20/05 at 15:39:29, Dave wrote:

. There are two main fuel sites (there are more, but) in England and 'Hoyer' operate in Manchester and serve as far as the midlands and yorkshire..
D

There is a huge site 5 mins from me in Tamworth..... Esso, Texaco, and BP use it to fill up their tankers....

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by music_master on Feb 20^th, 2005, 8:02pm

i live near a total garage which sells the normal petrol but 5 miles away from me there is a bp garage which sell the ultimate unleaded i could not see the price on the pump so i went to the kiosk and asked they told me it was 87p per ltr the normal unleaded was 77p per ltr i wonder if i got more miles on the dearer petrol if so im gonna start to use the 87p ltr ;)

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by johnv on Feb 20^th, 2005, 8:21pm

Sainsburys do 97 octane unleaded

So what will it say on the pump, eddie. will it say super un-leaded or what will it say to make it difference from the normal un-leaded.
So what octane is the normal un-leaded.

(i wonder what octane the milk is then)

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by johnv on Feb 20^th, 2005, 8:23pm

There is a huge site 5 mins from me in Tamworth..... Esso, Texaco, and BP use it to fill up their tankers

god, the plot thickens, so its all the same petrol just differents drivers and tankers.

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by Vulcan on Feb 20^th, 2005, 8:27pm

Some oil company odd facts...

EXXON started out as Standard Oil, (S.O.) but soon realised this could be displayed as the word "Esso". Later, when this was discovered to mean "stalled car" in Japanese, the company put $2 million into researching a new name and decided upon EXXON, which doesn't mean anything else in any known language.

To maintain balance, we are reliably informed that BP spent £1,000,000 to an 'advertising consultancy' to change their logo, and they changed it from 'BP' to 'BP' in italics !!!!

Some interesting links..
http://www.zyra.org.uk/exxon.htm

http://www.zyra.org.uk/oil.htm

From the Chevron site:

Gas is gas, right? Not quite! Fact is, all gasolines contain additives. Some additives are better than others are, but none surpass the proven power of Techron®. And only Chevron gasolines contain Techron.

..and Chevron's technical review of "Gas"
http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/motorgas/

A Q and A about petrol, Q21 is quite relevant...

http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/motorgas/8_q-a/

All the info that you can find on the net about Petrol is mostly American it would appear.

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by Paul B on Feb 20^th, 2005, 9:00pm

John V.... Normal unleaded is 95 octane, while the higher grade is 97 (or maybe 98 :-/)
The Sainsburys I go to has it labelled on the pump as "Super Unleaded" and this is spat out by 4 of the 12 pumps there.

My results after 4 tanks have been better response on the throttle. I can't honestly say I've noticed any significant increase in MPG though. Maybe slightly but not a lot.

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by johnv on Feb 21^st, 2005, 7:20am

My results after 4 tanks have been better response on the throttle. I can't honestly say I've noticed any significant increase in MPG though. Maybe slight;y but not a lot.
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I wonder if your 24V does not show up as more miles per gallon with its bigger engine as does the 2.0 does.
I can't check my 24V; MPG as I did not bother to check out before i started to use it.
I hoping that the posh petrol will stop me having problems in the future by keeping the engine clean.
I looking at my 2.3 car to see if my fuel figures improve. so its watch this space

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by Dave on Feb 21^st, 2005, 11:13am

hullo. Aye we do need to get hold of the farmer's diesel! it's called Red Diesel and is identical, only dyed, and with absolutely no tax.

Not a bad idea of John's about getting rid of standard unleaded and just using super, but I tried a few tanks of super in my 1984 VW and it absolutely hated it! The higher octanes etc are moving with the times as cars are. Greater efficiency from engines is always coupled with higher octane fuels. Honda's higher performance VTEC engines are reported to return an extra 5 BHP from super unleaded.. I've always used Optimax in my Cosworth, for a few reasons, as someone said it's supposed to be cleaner for your fuel system, return slightly better MPG, better performance and generally smoother running.

I reckon one thing we should do is avoid buying petrol from garages that are more than 15-20 years old, as in the mid eighties they started using plastic-lined tanks instead of lead, or whatever it was. In addition, older garages will have a lot more crud at the bottom of their tanks, which won't necessarily be sucked up but then again, maybe it will......

:o

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by Badboytunes on Feb 21^st, 2005, 7:24pm

What does the hand book say about using super unleaded in the car? Can it damage the cars the same way that LRP can?

Nick

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by Paul B on Feb 21^st, 2005, 8:13pm

All the manual says is this...

* Unleaded fuel (95 octane)
Higher octane uleaded fuels (98 octane) can also be used.

So I guess there's no known bad side effects.

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by Badboytunes on Feb 21^st, 2005, 10:07pm

All down to cost then......... As for that red diesel stuff, I'll have a few barrels from next wek if anyone wants to send it to me.. Or i can collect :P :P :P :P :P

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by johnv on Feb 21^st, 2005, 10:21pm

In addition, older garages will have a lot more crud at the bottom of their tanks, which won't necessarily be sucked up but then again, maybe it will......
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I wonder if car petrol underground tanks are the same as those at airports that have petrol engined aircraft.
They have floating suction. That is a arm on a float so that fuel is always drawn from the top and the float never goes right to the bottom.
Petrol is alway stored underground because water falls to the bottom. and Aurter or JP4 is stored above ground, because it rises so fuel is drawn from the bottom.

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by LiverpaulH on Feb 22^nd, 2005, 9:15am

We have four old underground bunker tanks at the depot that we use for diesel for our lorries. They always have 40 gallon unused at the bottom as the intake pipe is set part way up the tank and the bits/ sludge sit below that.

Fine in principle until an overenthusiastic tanker driver overfilled one tank and blew his pipes through at the same time. Result cracked tank, water ingress and problems like you wouldn't believe. Only found out after filling a number of lorries....

3 tractor units, 1 18 ton flat and a 7.5 ton hiab all requiring their diesel tanks to be removed and cleaned, and a couple needing new fuel lift pumps as well. Not to mentioned the £4,000 worth of diesel that was u/s.

Needless to say we have a fair sized insurance claim at the moment.

Paul

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by OddJob on Feb 22^nd, 2005, 6:48pm

Hi all :D
Returning back to the posh petrol, I've just been to my local BP garage in order to get some Ultimate unleaded but crikey they want 91.9p a litre (LOL) and yet only 79.9p for normal unleaded can u Adam & Eve it :o no wounder their profits were high this time 'Richard' Turpins back in town >:(

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by Baz on Feb 22^nd, 2005, 8:41pm

But Oddjob, don't you believe them when they say that they don't make any money out of petrol??

In fact they lose money and only make it as a service to the public at their expense!!

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by johnv on Feb 23^rd, 2005, 6:43am

I've just been to my local BP garage in order to get some Ultimate unleaded but crikey they want 91.9p a litre (LOL) and yet only 79.9p for normal unleaded can u Adam & Eve it no wounder their profits were high this time 'Richard' Turpins back
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well that 12p difference. much to high.
Our Bp is 5p difference here in Coventry, but I just noted it gone up to 7p today.
All fuel prices seem to change almost daily.

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by LiverpaulH on Feb 23^rd, 2005, 5:49pm

Oddjob and Baz, I think you're being a bit harsh on the fuel company's, they do make a very small amount on petrol and for example make a lot more on a pint of milk than a tank of petrol. This is the reason you will find very few if any petrol only stations around, so many now have supermarkets attached to make money or garage servicing etc.

Most of their profits come from the exploration and drilling sides of the business. If you want to look at the real culprits for the cost of our petrol have a quick gander at the government. We get taxed on tax, and their take is over 75% of the pump price. Running a haulage company I am only too aware of the tax take and how hard it hits us.

Yes I think the fuel company's will make a very small bit extra out of the ultimate or optimax type products, but at the same time have spent more money testing and inproving the products and then more on each gallon they sell as they have more additives etc. You pays your money and takes your choice, and by many accounts especially optimax is worth the extra in smoother running engines and better mpg. I will agree however some stations do seem to add just a little bit much extra on at times.

Paul

Title: Re: POSH PETROL
Post by OddJob on Feb 23^rd, 2005, 7:28pm

on 02/23/05 at 17:49:50, LiverpaulH wrote:

I will agree however some stations do seem to add just a little bit much extra on at times.

There you go Baz another one who agrees LOL ;)
Seriously I do now what you mean LiverpaulH, but at the end of the day this lack of standardization of prices throughout a retailers pumps by the oil companies hits our wallets hard and so will obviously reflect on them when next we decide to buy our next lot of fuel, so affecting the profitability of the independants running their forecourts. Besides they seem to be doing more than Ok despite their little profit margin ;)