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(Message started by: dh_dove on Feb 16^th, 2007, 8:52pm)

Title: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by dh_dove on Feb 16^th, 2007, 8:52pm

Apparently some bright spark has decided that as a nation we can no longer afford to pay for the Red Arrows, this despite the fact that we can waste billions on, for example ID Cards, Computer Systems for the NHS that no-one wants and dont work anyway, supporting God knows how many illegal immegrants on benefits etc. etc. etc. >:(
I know that Downing Street Petitions are of a sudden passe, but if you wish to you can sign up here
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SaveTheReds/
Regards
DH Dove

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by cossie_al on Feb 16^th, 2007, 9:15pm

Thats a d**n disgrace.
There are endless places where tax payers money is wasted day in day out, but something worthwile like the red arrows is seen as an unnecessary drain on resourses is criminal.
I have copied this from their web page, seems convincing enough to me.

Acknowledged as one of the world’s premier aerobatic teams, The Red Arrows are the public face of the Royal Air Force. The Red Arrows exist to demonstrate the professional excellence of the RAF and promote recruitment to the RAF. Evidence shows that The Red Arrows have inspired a significant number of people to join the RAF, both as officers and airmen, and to all trades, not just aircrew.

The Team contributes to Defence Diplomacy, and supports wider British interests through the promotion of British industry overseas. The Hawk aircraft flown by the Team and most of its components are all British made. Thus during overseas tours The Red Arrows demonstrate both British skill and British technology to an enormous number of people each year.

My name is on the petition

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by Simmo on Feb 16^th, 2007, 9:24pm

So is mine!!. Is nothing sacred with these morons. DH has just about summed it up. ???

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by wickedteen on Feb 16^th, 2007, 9:28pm

i think its time to emigrate, theres nothing worth staying here for any more.

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by Spannerdemon on Feb 16^th, 2007, 11:09pm

Can't wait till we retire.

There is NO WAY we will be staying in the UK.

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by TiberiuS on Feb 17^th, 2007, 4:03pm

I'll sign too :-*

When I was a little kid, my Dad was a photographer in his spare time. An ex-RAF chap, his first love was fighter aircraft and he used to take me all over the place to airshows to see the likes of the Vulcan, Nimrod and Red Arrows...many happy memories :). We've lost too much of our heritage already, if we don't stop soon, we've lost everything :-(

This tiny little country has been proud of so much yet we're losing everything we own through the likes of Blair's republican leadership - from our automotive, ship building and steel industry to our stockmarket and even utility companies being sold to foreign ownership...if we don't stop soon the UK will be devolved into dozens of states fighting against each other while the powers that be bleed us dry and we become just another star on the flag of the United States of Europe.

I love this country but when I look at the way it's going I wouldn't want my kids growing up in our society...can't even get a job unless I'll work for peanuts and the state of this country makes me sick at times. If I ever get the chance I'm off, would be hard but I've been thinking about it lately, get out before I'm too old and un-employable :)

Sorry for rant chaps, I feel quite strongly about this ;)

Regards, Bruce :)

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by macroy on Feb 17^th, 2007, 5:16pm

It just gets worse everyday,just cannot see it getting any better.Roy.

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by mr._floppy on Feb 17^th, 2007, 9:02pm

<<< Sorry for rant chaps, I feel quite strongly about this >>>

Mmm, strongly enough to forget some salient chronological facts, our Auto, steel, coal and shipbuilding industries were well knackerered long before Blair was out of short trousers, by that free market capatalist Tory Government we suffered from between 1979 - 1997.

Remember them ?

Remember them ?

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by Baz on Feb 17^th, 2007, 11:49pm

Floppy...

Unfortunately that is all history now.... people vote for what they see; not what Maggie or Major did. Kids who first voted back in 97 are now 28 years of age and all they see is a lying coniving Labour government who wants to screw as much money out of the working man as they can.

Long gone are the days of the tory miners strike and the days of the Labour 3 day week and power cuts. Governments have to do what is right now, unfortunately this labour government is more self, self self than any tory one I ever remember.

Labour ministers pension pots in excess of 2 million pounds but exept from the taxes of similar private funds. 35% MP pay rises when inflation is at 5% or so... that is the labour government of today, it isn't the fanciful socialist dreams of Kinnock and Foot of the past; this is real new labour, fleece the working man and give it all to whoever wants a hand out.

That is whjat they are relying on for their votes now; the spongers and minority votes along with the die-hard labour voters.

Thankfully it won't wash... labour is almost bankrupt and Brown won't go to the country to affirm his position as he rightfully should because they can't afford it and they know that their time is up. That's why they are all feathering their nests ready for the enivitable push

Thats my rant over... and yes I remember... I remember very well when petrol wasn't a pound a gallon and when gas wasn't so high in price that pensioners froze to death because they couldn't afford the heating. When Polish road signs only existed in Poland and when criminals were treated as criminals and not as victims under human rights acts and european directives.

Look long and hard at what labour has subjected this country too and then capitalism looks all to inviting I'm afraid ;) ;)

Baz

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by TRACEYS_LIMO on Feb 18^th, 2007, 1:54pm

they started with the white helmets makes you wonder were it will stop,

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by Danny_R on Feb 18^th, 2007, 1:58pm

Hi Chaps, just my 2 cents worth. I've been reading on the internet about this issue and many other issues concerning triple road tax for SUV's and big cars, Tracking boxes!?!?!? 50 pounds for an MOT :o 50 pounds for a darn re-test :o Insurance rates through the roof, SARS speed camera's!!! UK has highest living costs in the world!!!

What the hell is going on???? I’ve only been in the states for about 3 years now. Cant believe what’s happened in 3 years. Has Tony and his bunch gone mad? I really don’t see how on earth I could afford to come back to the UK. I'm born and bread Leeds and am still a proud Brit even though I decided to pack up and move across the pond but I got to tell you, Britain is finished as far as I’m concerned. How much of this c**p can the British take? my parents even have to pay an additional 50 pounds per ticket to fly out of England to see me. Gordon Brown calls this a pollution tax!!!!!

Sorry for the rant guys, it just hurts to see how our country is being screwed of ever single penny anyone has. No wonder so many people want to move else ware!!

Danny_R

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by mr._floppy on Feb 18^th, 2007, 2:35pm

It's true, Labour is woefully soft on crime and soft on the serially unemployed .
The ever growing culture of the feckless and apathetic who think the country owes them a handout, with vast areas of our cities living off jobseekers allowance ( ha, there's a laugh ) and bogus incapacity benefit.

Fortunately, I quite like living here, so I won't become a economic migrant, searching the world for a country where the property is cheaper, the weather is warmer and I don't pay any tax.

( till you get old, and come back to be a burden on the Great British NHS :-*)

I'm so cynical ;D

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by TiberiuS on Feb 18^th, 2007, 4:21pm

Alas Mr Floppy, maybe so. But Blair hasn't done anything to stop the decline of our industry; Rover has died, Vauxhall and Ford among others has closed production sites in the UK and we've also lost ship building firms, apart from the decline of Corus steel which is now under foreign ownership. Make a tally of all the British firms which have gone broke or moved abroad in the past 9 years and then work out how much damage this has done to our economy and you have quite a good idea where this country is heading. You can't blame the likes of China and India for picking over the bones of our industry and taking what they want for themselves, it's the fault of the people we elect who have let this happen again and again (remember Blair and the Mittal steel company?).

Most of our steel comes from either India or China nowadays, a far greater portion than when Labour came to power in '97. We even ship our rubbish to China now so they can recycle it and sell it back to us in new goods, surely this makes a mockery of the green recycling thing. We're being gradually squeezed by stealth taxes and the cost of living while countries like China with booming economies and populations take all our work while our people for whatever reason can't get re-employed once the firms they work for up sticks and move to greener plains.

I might have been born yesterday in your eyes but I still feel strongly about what I see happening ;)

Regards, Bruce. :-*

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by andyjones on Feb 19^th, 2007, 6:17pm

the problem is that they have not got gay or lesbian pilots flying them. if they did the national lottery would pay for them. :'(

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by big_neil on Feb 19^th, 2007, 7:53pm

we all just pay out taxes and do nowt about it, let your voice be heard, say summat!! I still think this country needs a revolution. I,m thinking of standing for election as the SNP party(no not that one in scotland) the sensible non political party , can i rely on any votes ??

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by pistonbroke on Feb 19^th, 2007, 10:51pm

Well, my theory is quite simple. Any government is an even bigger collection of self-serving, nest-feathering, lying to553rs than the last lot.

'nuff said.

Vote? Fnarr! Fnarr! Give us a bigger bung than the other lot and I'll think about it ;)

pb

ps. Er, Baz, feel free to use my post "elsewhere" }{ }{ }{

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by dh_dove on Feb 20^th, 2007, 6:02pm

Dear All
There seems to be an amazing consensus of opinion on this site as to the major problems facing our country ;)
DONT FORGET TO SIGN THE THE "SAVE THE REDS" PETITION ;)
(26,300 to date)
DH Dove

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by julie_quaife on Feb 21^st, 2007, 8:49pm

just signed it, no. 29,683, took a couple of attempts though as no verification email came through. just told hubby, he nearly choked on his tea! the air is very blue here at the moment!! i'm going to have a good look at the other petitions and see what else i can sign!

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by julie_quaife on Feb 21^st, 2007, 9:21pm

so far i have signed four others, not sure about recognising Borat as the leader of Khazakstan i've not seen the movie yet! i think this petition signing will become another time consuming hobby!

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by dh_dove on Feb 23^rd, 2007, 9:17pm

SORRY
Bumped this up as I think it's Very Important 8)
DH Dove

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by pistonbroke on Feb 24^th, 2007, 10:01pm

Yes, it's important. Not sure that this (or any) government will really listen to a petition though :-/

I'm interested to see if his tonyness sends out an email on this one - the email address I setup specially for it: bliar.bliar.middle.east.on.fire@... is all ready and waiting ;D

Dave

Title: Re: Red Arrows Due for the Chop
Post by Snoopy on Apr 10^th, 2007, 4:22pm