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(Message started by: the_boogeyman on Apr 11^th, 2007, 8:10am)

Title: keyloggers
Post by the_boogeyman on Apr 11^th, 2007, 8:10am

ever wondered what your wifes doing on your pc while your at work alday, or what your kids are doing on the pc.
well ive got a fifteen year old daughter who know nows what boys are and after all the rows ive just put on a keylogger.
if anyone wants to put it on theres just pm me and i shall give you all the details.

just be warned you must be prepared for the worst when you check it.................. :o

Title: Re: keyloggers
Post by allenjames on Apr 11^th, 2007, 10:18am

hmmmm, thats a bit out of order spying on your wife and 15 year old daughter dont you think ?

Title: Re: keyloggers
Post by the_boogeyman on Apr 11^th, 2007, 10:27am

not my wife, just keeping tabs on my daughter, if anyone has daughters they would know the hassle you get with them.

Title: Re: keyloggers
Post by petehull on Apr 11^th, 2007, 11:31am

In my opinion

The best and fairist way to deal with sons and daughters is to educate them in the dangers which surround them, put your trust in their judgement and then hope they don't make too many mistakes, cos they will make some. At the same time you have to be there, ready to pick up the pieces when they do.

If you take this aproach you will find that after they have gone through the silly time of their life, and have matured into fine adults they will have a greater respect for you.
By doing things such as you suggest with the keylogger you have to realise that it is a negative aproach.

What do I mean?
Well for instance if you find out something untoward is happening, what do you do? You can either ignore it, in which case it will be you who suffers consiously and it would have been a waste of time, or you would have to confront your son/daughter or wife, they would then know about the keylogger and the sneaky way that you are spying on them.
An easy way to analyse the situation is to turn it round and put yourself in their position, how would you feel if they were keylogging you....
As I said in the outset, this is only my opinion....

I hope you can accept this in the way it was intended

Pete

Title: Re: keyloggers
Post by Kjetil S on Apr 11^th, 2007, 11:53am

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I personally fear you may have more to loose by spying on your daughter than trusting her, as Pete said.

I'm probably amongst the younger inhabitants of this forum, only 23, so I still remember something about how it was being a teenager. I know I would've lost a lot of respect for my dad if I found that he was spying on me in that way or another, because that would be the same as him saying I couldn't be trusted.

What teenagers need to learn is how to handle trust and responsibility. The only way they can learn that, is to have it and do mistakes. All you as a father can do is to try and give as good advice as possible, but please, don't patronize them, and as Pete said, be there to pick up the pieces.

Only my £0.02

Kjetil

Title: Re: keyloggers
Post by the_boogeyman on Apr 11^th, 2007, 1:47pm

i see theres no-one on here with problems with the internet and daughters then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: keyloggers
Post by TiberiuS on Apr 11^th, 2007, 2:02pm

Never had any problems with either my wife or daughter ::)

But then I'm not married and don't have any kids :o

But seriously, I get your point.The web is agreat thing but has it's downsides, there's some sinister stuff out there :'(

Title: Re: keyloggers
Post by the_boogeyman on Apr 11^th, 2007, 2:14pm

and there is also adults possing as kids, which my daughter does not agree with me, so this is the saftest way

Title: Re: keyloggers
Post by petehull on Apr 11^th, 2007, 2:39pm

Hi Nicholas

My comments are based from the things I have learned during the raising of my own family starting with my daughter who is your age and didn't have the influence of the internet,or mobile phones for that matter however, she did became involved with a lad for about 5 years, all was well and they seemed pretty serious. We didn't push the issue but we made it clear that it wasn't a good idea to be involved so deeply at their age, and we gave her all the advice we could, the result was that she became with child.... The lad, being very immature did a runner and basicaly has never been involved (except through the csa) in 12 years with the best thing he ever produced, My Grandson.

My son Richard was doing very well, even went to a very highly rated naughtical school, again he was given all the advice and pointed in the right direction, or so we thought, he was certainly a brilliant kid. Unfortunately, he became involved with the wrong crowd, he never got into any serious trouble apart from a bit of truancy, he started smoking and drinking without our knowledge and maybe some other things we didn't know about. On many occasions I would have little chats with him about life, and he always seemed to take advice freely, he seemed happy enough so I didn't worry too much.

At 17 yrs old he went out one night and never returned.

What had happened? He had stupidly become involved with riding motorbikes, he was riding along a grass verge and there was a steel wire supporting an electric post, he went under it without seeing it and he broke his neck and he was killed.
Our other son who was 14 at the time really suffered as a result of losing his brother and went through life with this as a lesson, apart from the ups and downs of life he has done pretty well for himself after joining the navy.
So you see, whatever there is out there and even if they know the rights and wrongs of the world, no amount of trickery, bribery, reward or any other contrivance will not stop people EXPERIMENTING with life, because that's all it is, pushing the edge or in this day and age getting a buz.
Once again the main thing is to have the ability to understand what the reasons are for peoples actions and I don't profess to have all the answers, however it is easier to look back and see where you've been rather than looking forward to see where your going.... Hope you understand...

Pete

Title: Re: keyloggers
Post by wayne on Apr 11^th, 2007, 6:53pm

At the end of the day, it's the 21st Century equivalant to reading her diary. And I don't think there will ever be a parental concensus of agreement on the matter.

If she were pregnant, contemplating getting pregnant (it happens) or taking drugs, you'd want to know about it as soon as possible so you could address the issue and have the wisdom to not let on you've actually been prying.

Yes they will make mistakes, we all have, and no amount of good advice or preaching will change that. And yes.. we will always be there to pick up the pieces... but bear in mind by looking through rose coloured glasses you could be picking up those pieces for the next eighteen years or so.

Being a parent is a tricky path to tread, and if you get it right, you've been lucky. If it goes wrong, you're not the only one.
We have four grown up children., two have made us proud, two have brought shame and upset....Did we get it right, or wrong?
There is no definitive answer, only what YOU feel is right.

Title: Re: keyloggers
Post by Baz on Apr 11^th, 2007, 7:53pm

Pete, your tale is tragic and I do feel for you. I lost my first wife in 1988 when she was only 22 and she left me and my 2 year old son (who was 21 on Sunday). Deaths like that and at a young age do change the way people look at life.

I am now remarried and have a 5 year old son too so things do work out eventually

As regards to keeping tabs on kids etc. I looked into all that when my son first started surfing the internet but decided against it and opted for the trust way of doing things. For me it worked fine and he is now a well balanced 21 year old (well sort of!)

Remember your fifteen year old daughter can legally get married and have kids in a year or less so personally I wouldn't risk being found out to be a sneaky by using a keylogger.

As for keylogging your wife.... If I did that she would skin me alive!! and anyway she has a laptop and a PC at her office so I can't check all those.

What happens if your daughter goes to a friends house and uses her mates PC? You canb't bug everything... mnuch better to educate as has already been said (in my opinion of course!)

Baz

Title: Re: keyloggers
Post by Spannerdemon on Apr 11^th, 2007, 10:05pm

I don't agree with keylogging. I have three super 'children' who I brought up alone for the best part of 12 years after losing my wife and two of my other children in the 80's.

Trust is something that they learn in their own good time, and at their pace, and whilst I can see the pro's and cons of logging, I would personally never use it myself.

Now happily re-married, we all trust each other, and if anyone in the family wants to inspect my PC at any time, that's fine by me. ;D

It's all down to trust, and I would feel very hurt indeed if that broke down within the family. :)

Title: Re: keyloggers
Post by petehull on Apr 11^th, 2007, 11:18pm

:-/ []

Just to round it off a bit, keylogging is taking advantage of a marvelous technology for criminal reasons, that is what it is mostly used for and probably what was at the forefront of the original concept (stealing data from unsuspecting victims) I totally agree with Wayne about there not being a definitive answer, life is like riding a bike, you wobble a bit so you adjust the steering to correct it, sometimes you fall off and these are the times you remember....

Pete

Title: Re: keyloggers
Post by Spannerdemon on Apr 11^th, 2007, 11:34pm

And that, my friend, is a very fair outlook. ;)

Title: Re: keyloggers
Post by jonnycab on Apr 12^th, 2007, 2:24am

Pete, Baz & Spanners.....

Your stories have bought a lump to my throat & I'll admit, a tear to my eye :'(

I am in total awe of the courage & strength it must have taken to overcome such grief & you all have my utmost sympathy & respect....& I whole heartedly salute you :)

I've never lost a loved one in such circumstances, but after my wifes second miscarriage, the doctors reckoned that even with IVF, the chances of conceiving were slim to say the least...but also (to soften the blow), they said there was always a chance :)

The elation you feel when you know your going to bring a child into the world is overwhelming, & to have all those feelings dissapear in an instant is hard to take, especially twice :'(

We were both starting to feel the unfairness of it all......teenagers getting pregnant & bringing unplanned children into this world......but some people who really want to bring a child into the world, seem to be denied the right ???

But as some of you may know, we now have a little boy called Samuel, who's now two & a half.....& I consider him a miracle ;)

I'm not a religious man....I've always been very cynical of how different religions can exist & all proclaim to be right (but that's another controversial topic ::))

But whilst on holiday in Paphos, Cyprus in November 2003, we came across a local place of worship, which was an underground church with a large, very old, twisted tree above it.
Around every branch, there were ribbons tied by the locals (devout Catholics), & it was known as the wishing tree.
It doesn't take a psychic to know what we wished for.........9 months later, in August our little boy was born........how spooky is that :o

I hope I can bring him up in the right way & guide him not to get into trouble, & hopefully, when he's a teenager, I will be able to trust him & not have to watch his every move.

Hopefully, he'll respect me & not see me as an overbearing old fart :-/

I still wonder sometimes about what would have happened if my wife had given birth before & not miscarried....but then again, if it had happened that way then Samuel would never have been born....so maybe it all worked out right in the end :)

I'm 39 & my wife is 38, so if we want to have anymore kids, then I suppose it's back to Paphos again ::)

P.S....I apologise if I've gone off the topic a bit, but I was so moved by Pete's, Baz's & Spanners stories & their strength of spirit in the face of uncertainty, that I felt compelled to write my own little tale of woe :)

Title: Re: keyloggers
Post by Baz on Apr 12^th, 2007, 9:42am

JC,

My little boy Connor is an IVF baby. We resorted to it after Karen had about 4 miscarriages including the first IVF conception.... He was a frozen one!

If any of lifes experiences have taught me something, it is Never to give up hope on anything and make the most of what you can achieve. Life really is too short to give up!

Title: Re: keyloggers
Post by allenjames on Apr 12^th, 2007, 10:27am

post removed by forum admin.

please check your pm's.

Title: Re: keyloggers
Post by Spannerdemon on Apr 12^th, 2007, 10:36am

Ooooooooooooooohhhh!!! :o

NOT surprised. THAT was inappropriate mate!!

Title: Re: keyloggers
Post by macroy on Apr 12^th, 2007, 11:27am

This life that we have is not a trial run,we have one go at it and that my friends is that.Make the most of it be happy and enjoy it. :) Roy.