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(Message started by: dan_the_man on Jun 24^th, 2007, 10:49pm)

Title: Eco-Dan .
Post by dan_the_man on Jun 24^th, 2007, 10:49pm

I've recently done a simple experiment on economy in my 24v scorp estate, as I dont have cruise control, I watched the speed as best as I could. 22 miles on the motorway 'the same stretch.' First time I was in a Mad rush to complete the distance and did so REAL quick ! I used 7 litres of fuel . the second time I used 2.4 litres and kept the speed between 60-70 mph. I always use high octaine juice and have a fancy induction kit so that may increase or decrease it from standard. I use 35psi in the front and 34 in the tail end. just an observation that may be of interest to anoraks like ME ! ;) LONG LIVE THE SCORP.

Title: Re: Eco-Dan .
Post by taliban aka Cheekyboy2 on Jun 25^th, 2007, 2:41pm

personally i think that pride vegetable oil is pretty good fuel.........

Title: Re: Eco-Dan .
Post by kittman on Jun 25^th, 2007, 11:21pm

I put some tesco 99 octane fuel in my cossie a few weeks ago, boy did I notice the difference

Title: Re: Eco-Dan .
Post by sector-9 on Jun 26^th, 2007, 6:22pm

You'd be amazed how much extra fuel you use at higher speeds! I used to own a 2.0 auto Rover 800 which never got above about 26mpg except on a long run to Aberdeen. Towing a caravan at 50mph I would use roughly the same amount of fuel as doing 70mph without it. Unfortunately it didn't have cruise control so keeping it at 50 took some concentration on the motorways.

Darren

Title: Re: Eco-Dan .
Post by TiberiuS on Jun 26^th, 2007, 7:02pm

Ok guys, here's my £0.02.

Firstly I wouldn't run any Scorpio, especially a Cosworth on supermarket fuel. All are high performance engines in their own class and from my experience with the 2.3 and the Jag I wouldn't go there (the Jag had been run on Morrisons fuel by the PO and I've just had to replace the fuel pressure regulator, pump and have the injectors cleaned to remove the varnish and other crud). Also, better fuel gives better MPG, even on the Mondeo (about 35mpg on Shell compared to 30 or under on Sainsbury's, which also causes a hot start problem if I put a tank full in). Also, there's research that say the additives in cheap fuel crud up the heated lambda sensors which makes it run rich, in turn killing MPG, eventually killing the element in the cat. It also contains a higher amount of sulphur which kills the coating some manufacturers use on their cylinder bores, google 'Nikasil' and see what it brings up.

Good fuel has detergents to clean the system and injectors, you shouldn't need Redex or similar with good quality fuel.

End of rant ;D

Title: Re: Eco-Dan .
Post by kittman on Jun 26^th, 2007, 8:00pm

If they can use tesco fuel to run £100,000 rally cars in the british rally champs it,s good enough for my cossie!!

Title: Re: Eco-Dan .
Post by dan_the_man on Jun 26^th, 2007, 8:35pm

I have heard bad things about supermarket fuel also ! And will continue to avoid it most of the time.

Title: Re: Eco-Dan .
Post by sector-9 on Jun 26^th, 2007, 9:48pm

I wonder if veg oil counts as a supermarket fuel? ::)

Darren

Title: Re: Eco-Dan .
Post by dan_the_man on Jun 27^th, 2007, 1:04am

oh no ! thats the choice of CHAMPIONS ;) I am thinking seriously about going dismel, Diesel I mean !

Title: Re: Eco-Dan .
Post by petehull on Jun 27^th, 2007, 6:42am

Many years ago back in the dark ages we had a chip pan which was used solely for the frying of chips it was used that much that it eventually built up a layer of carbon on the bottom and round the sides.
Every now and then we would imerse it in strong Fairy liquid solution to give it a clean (decoke) could take a couple of days soaking and scraping to remove this gunge.
This was the result of burning vegetable oil.... ???

I now wonder, hearing of more and more people burning this stuff in thier Deiesel engines it makes me wonder if somethime in the future a hidden cost would arrise involving the removal of heavy carbon deposits etc.....
I will keep observing ::) ::)

Pete

Title: Re: Eco-Dan .
Post by sector-9 on Jun 27^th, 2007, 9:09am

Possibly, but when you pay £250 for a car (needed some work doing, granted) and you plan to replace it within the next 12-18 months it's better to experiment on that than the new one. From what I've read on the internet, people who have examined their engine later didn't find anything unduly worrying. Like I said, if it breaks it breaks - it ain't going to be worth 'owt when I get rid anyway!

Darren

Title: Re: Eco-Dan .
Post by cossie_al on Jun 27^th, 2007, 11:23pm

I have said this once before, granted it was way back when I was just a newby but anyway.
I have a mate who used to be a tanker driver and he reckons tankers from all the majer retailers all joined the same queue at the refineries.
So at what point does the various addatives etc get put into the fuel.
I dont suppose all the adverts on tv are lies but my mate says so ???

Title: Re: Eco-Dan .
Post by Highlander on Jun 28^th, 2007, 6:59pm

on 06/27/07 at 06:42:06, petehull wrote:

I dont cook chips in mine Pete ;)

I've had the head off a veggie burning transit and it was no different to one using diesel

Title: Re: Eco-Dan .
Post by TiberiuS on Jul 1^st, 2007, 6:06pm

on 06/27/07 at 23:23:07, cossie_al wrote:

Al, I don't know the answer myself mate. But, so called 'supermarket grade' fuel does contain far more sulphur, burns less clean and also AFAIK has a lower octane rating which can make a car suffer from pinking etc. A lot of problems caused once you get into aluminium bored Vee engines which use Nikasil, in contrast the same cars in the US and Oz where they get a better quality product barely suffer at all from the problems we get in Europe. If you don't know about Nikasil, it's an ultra hard, low friction cylinder bore coating which replaces steel liners - the advantage being that there's a tighter clearence between piston and cylinder, giving better compression and less wear. All is great...until you attack it with sulphur and other acids created when fuel burns, it then starts to dissolve and flake like paint, junking the engine because it can't build compression.

Title: Re: Eco-Dan .
Post by dan_the_man on Jul 2^nd, 2007, 10:04pm

another 22 mile run. kept her at very close to 90 mph. 4.5 l of juice. I think this is a good compromise for me.

Title: Re: Eco-Dan .
Post by TiberiuS on Jul 2^nd, 2007, 10:46pm

Crikey Dan, we're not talking about the autobahn you know ;D

If 90 is a good compromise, I hate to think what lofty speeds you reach when you 'open her up' ::)

EDIT:

Edited post, it sounded a bit irresponsible on second read ;)

Title: Re: Eco-Dan .
Post by pat on Jul 3^rd, 2007, 12:49am

Pete. Funny that. We've got a chip pan and we use ours for cooking chips as well.
By the way, I got June's 2.9 up to 150 down the Rainworth by-pass. I'm sure it would have done more if I could have got the auto box to change up out of 2nd.

Title: Re: Eco-Dan .
Post by dan_the_man on Jul 3^rd, 2007, 10:50am

I've been politely asked to keep my top speed postings to my self. I do sometimes like to 'tank' on a little though !the cost of fuel can be traded off against excitement and adrenalin rushes. as for the licence. . . you pay's your money , you takes your chance ! Long live the Scorpio ;D