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(Message started by: TiberiuS on Mar 13^th, 2008, 1:21am)

Title: 24v into Capri?
Post by TiberiuS on Mar 13^th, 2008, 1:21am

I'm dead curious about this, been toying with it for a while.

For those who don't know (;)) I'm ressurecting a 1982 Capri Ghia, 2.0 auto. I'm faced with a cosmetically good car which has sat for 12 years so needs a lot of mechanics just ot get it running, the last time it was started/moved was May 1998; brakes are seized solid, wiring is shot, engine turns with a spanner but is pretty stiff. The engine is original with 50k on it, had a full recon in November 1990 @ 39k but I guess that means nothing after all these years :-/

The Pinto lump is ok, has some charm and very simple. but it's barely got 100 horses and then it's got to drive a 3 speed slushbox. I could maybe drop in a 2.3 or a 24v, a stock Capri weighs just shy of 1100kg, a lot less than a Scorpio...go figure. 24v is a nice lump and although I think I prefer the 2.3 in the Scorp, 200 horses + of V6 grunt in a Capri would be fun I think.

So on one hand I'm tempted to get hold of a good engine/gearbox/ECU and try a conversion, I have the 'space' and don't mind getting my hands dirty, if it needs a large amount of welding/fabrication to get the shell to take a new engine though it might pose a problem though, maybe just easier to stick with what's there..

On the other hand it's an original car and getting quite rare now in that trim/condition, the responsible side of me says I should restore it stock for what would cost peanuts in comparison to what an engine swap would cost and just enjoy the car for what it has rather than what I'd like it to have..

Also it means a lot to me to keep it looking stock on the outside, which means even the 185/70 R13 alloys have to stay, could 185 profile tyres even take 200 horses? ;D. I could maybe squeeze even 130-140 horses from the Pinto which given the Capri's weight wouldn't be bad, if it was even as brisk as the Scorpio I could certainly live with it ;)

Any thoughts guys?

Regards, Bruce :)

Title: Re: 24v into Capri?
Post by peteHull on Mar 13^th, 2008, 6:27am

I would stick with the stock configuration and have a nice genuine car at the end of it. But then again I am a bit of a stick in the mud.....

I ran a 1974 Wartburg for 13 years, I once toyed with the idea of plonking a golf engine in it like what VW had done when they took over the factory..... I didn't bother but I did rebuild the original 2 stroke 3 cyl engine..... Man I loved that car, wish I'd kept it..... >:(

hth
pete

Title: Re: 24v into Capri?
Post by Octavian_P on Mar 13^th, 2008, 9:06am

A friend of mine runs a supercharged BOA 2.9 24V cossie in a Capri ;D First road test it fractured the drive shaft and blown the gearbox ;D

Here's his topic (in Romanian) (http://forum.4tuning.ro/showthread.php?t=14364&highlight=capri+cosworth)lots of pictures and 27 pages ;D

Title: Re: 24v into Capri?
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Mar 13^th, 2008, 10:19am

If you want the 'easy' option then it has to be the 2.8i Cologne V6 - 160bhp and all the bits available from either Granada, Capri or Sierra.
Shouldn't take more than a weekend ;D
You can always ( twin ) turbo it if you want more power :o

Title: Re: 24v into Capri?
Post by TiberiuS on Mar 15^th, 2008, 1:23am

The Cologne is a d**n good point ::)

But I really liked the Essex in the 3.0 Ghia we had, although the 2.8 would have more power admitted..

I guess really it deserves to be rebuilt stock, the 2.0 seems to be better regarded than the 1.6 and does have more torque than power (yes, we had a Capri 1.6L once and it was gutless ::))

I admit I'm becoming very tempted by the 2.8 now, at least it's an original Capri engine ;)

Title: Re: 24v into Capri?
Post by Geoff_W on Mar 15^th, 2008, 10:32pm

I had a Mk1 Capri with the 1600 crossflow engine in Roman Bronze, would not pull the skin of a rice pudding but was great fun and my third car Imp > Maxi and then the Capri so I really felt that I was getting somewhere (but slowly) ;D

One of my mates at that time bought a white Mk 1 capri with a zip in the headlining and a Zakspeed 3.2 cologne v6 it was an ex city of Salford traffic car. On the dual carriageway between Nottingham and Derby in 78 we had a bit of a dice with a Triumph Stag who in the process appeared to lose the bulk of his engine out of his exhaust pipe.

Absolutely amazing but a bit of a wayward back end. Knew a few folk that had massive shunts in mk 1 Capri s, weight distribution was a bit strange.

Title: Re: 24v into Capri?
Post by pinto on Mar 17^th, 2008, 10:27pm

Both the 2300 and the 24V BOB from the scorp have the same major problem when considering a retro install -

PATS.

This weekend, I collected a nicely rebuilt BOB 24V to go in my 90' Saph GLSi, but im fully expecting to fit an aftermarket ECU (Megasquirt II) to make it run.

To make your life easier, you'll be looking for and earlier BOA engined granada scorpio with the earlier, simpler EEC IV system. Im told (tho i've yet to be shown) its simply swap everything from a donor car in and fit 6 wires....

Title: Re: 24v into Capri?
Post by TiberiuS on Mar 19^th, 2008, 12:11am

Hmm, PATS is another thing I never thought of :-/

Looms are no problem, the wiring's shot so it needs a total rewire anyway.

I did some reading and some people say that the Pinto loses 20 horses on unleaded, that sounds like quite a lot of power to lose though ???.

100 horses minus 20 gives barely any more than a 1.6 and our 1.6LS was pretty gutless

If I kept the original diff, the gearing would be quite low so it would be quite torquey, the downside being a V6 which is scraming its nuts off doing 4000rpm at 70mph with the fuel mileage side effect of that..

So I could add a 5 speed/pedal box to that, would a C3 auto even mate up with the 2.8 engine..

I guess it all depends really if the Pinto would run with just a change of fluids, hoses etc or whether it's seized up in the damp garage and would need a rebuild, at least if it would run as-is without major work I could run it around for a while and see how it drove, whether it could keep up with the Jag etc ::).

185 profile tyres, short geared non-LSD diff on a V6 engine...maybe this needs a rethink ::)

Thanks for the input guys, anything more welcome ;)

Title: Re: 24v into Capri?
Post by Stixy on Mar 19^th, 2008, 9:34am

Have a look here for aa few other ideas

http://www.zyworld.com/caprisport/

If it was me i would be looking at a Sierra 2.0 Dohc engine ;D

Title: Re: 24v into Capri?
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Mar 19^th, 2008, 10:57am

2.8 Cologne can be had in either injected or carb form - which you might find easier as you would not then need to change the petrol tank and fuel pipes ( Injected needs a return pipe, electric pump, more wiring ). Carb 2.8 still pumps out around 135BHP I think.
Diff ratio can be changed quite simply.
C3 autobox from a 2.8 Granada should also fit fine - easier to find than the 5-speed manual box which from my experience with the XR4i can have problems with bearings wearing out which gives some interesting sounds ! This would also save you from swapping the pedal box, brake master cylinder and having to install a clutch cable and pedal.

Title: Re: 24v into Capri?
Post by TRACEYS_LIMO on Mar 19^th, 2008, 6:24pm

hi how about doing some work on the 2.0 lump having drove the 3.0 gt the 2.8 and the 1600 the problem is not really top speed but getting the wheels to stop spinning when pulling away, and going around corners :(. good luck any way :)

Title: Re: 24v into Capri?
Post by TRACEYS_LIMO on Mar 19^th, 2008, 6:28pm

by the way the the 3.0 gt was awesome, i test drove it for a mate. he had to change his cloths after, he never got in any car with me again unless he drove ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: 24v into Capri?
Post by TiberiuS on Mar 20^th, 2008, 1:02am

We had a 3.0 Ghia, very nice ;). Plenty of rust and wasn't too keen on starting on cold mornings but made some nice noises, old cars had so much more character.

Looks like it's between a 2.8 and the dear old pinto then, all depends how far gone it is once I drill out the other rear hub, finish clobbering the remains of the (seized) brake shoes out of the drum and get it into the open so I can see what I'm doing. Deep down I'd love to convert it to manual but the auto stays I think, hence toying with a 6 banger with more low end torque. Adding extra lines etc for injection wouldn't be a problem.

I'm not after a supercar, just something more driveable on modern roads, with a bit more power (and brakes that actually work ;D) to compare to more modern cars. The Jag will do the dash to 60 in the mid 7 seconds and that's more than fast enough for me, if the Capri was even halfway between that and the Mondeo then I'd be more than happy.

As in my earlier post, in an ideal world the 13" rims stay, autobox stays, comfort suspension stays...I think I'm onto a loser here if I wanted to turn it into a performance car..

No idea where the money will come from but this should be a fun project for the summer ;)

Title: Re: 24v into Capri?
Post by pinto on Mar 21^st, 2008, 8:58am

on 03/19/08 at 09:34:40, Stixy wrote:

If it was me i would be looking at a Sierra 2.0 Dohc engine ;D

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Hey Stix :) nice to see ya over here :)

Thats another consideration - the 8V 2.0 DOHC head bolts onto the 2300 block with a few mods and it allows you to run the earlier EEC IV management too :)

Power figures are great too (around 170bhp with v6 torque if fast road cams are fitted)

Have a poke around on the FSOC and look in the projects section - Jim "The Crust" Christie carried out this very conversion :)

Title: Re: 24v into Capri?
Post by Tons_of_fun on Mar 21^st, 2008, 3:03pm

If it were me i would stick with the 2.0l pinto for the sake of easy maintenance & reliability.I would however be looking at swapping the carb to a pair of twin side draughts (or mega rare twin 38 downdraughts ...if you can find some ! ).Getting a good tuned length 4-2-1 manifold & 2 1/4" exhaust system.If you are sticking with the c3 trans maybe fit a 1600 diff.With the carbs & manifold / exhaust You should be looking at around 115-120 bhp.Couple this with a 1600 diff & it should be more than capable keeping up with modern traffic.As for loosing power on 95 unleaded !!! Use super unleaded (98 octain) or V max (99).HTH