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(Message started by: jabbacar on May 16^th, 2008, 8:45pm)

Title: Drive water/brown's gas/HHO.
Post by jabbacar on May 16^th, 2008, 8:45pm

I recently met a guy that runs a classis Rolls and Daimler hire for weddings etc.
On the subject of MPG he told me his running costs were offset by a complementry system which I later found out to be known as "Drivewater"
A glimse under the bonnet revealed 3 jars of water and a pipe going to the air intake!.
Further investigation via the net revealed the process;
A small amount of baking soda is added to distilled water,a 12 volt current is introduced ,the gas liberated by this process(HHO)(Browns Gas) is piped off and introduced by vacuum into the air intake and/or pcv circuit,
He boasted quite good mpg figures;an extra 10-15 miles using tis system.
I'm trying to cobble together more info on this subject,if anyone has some knowledge or views of this process please post on here.
thanks jabb.

Title: Re: Drive water/brown's gas/HHO.
Post by gozz on May 16^th, 2008, 8:54pm

jabbacar.
Prepare for massive tax hikes on baking soda ! There were several posts on here some time ago re Brown's gas,dont know if you were involved ?
GOZZ.

Title: Re: Drive water/brown's gas/HHO.
Post by Pegasus on May 16^th, 2008, 8:58pm

Is it April 1st again }{

Title: Re: Drive water/brown's gas/HHO.
Post by peteHull on May 17^th, 2008, 12:39am

;D ;D

Caution is called for..... Note the name.... ???

Pete

Title: Re: Drive water/brown's gas/HHO.
Post by jonnycab on May 17^th, 2008, 2:47am

Apparently, there have been a few injuries incured by some who have fitted this water into hydrogen thing......Mainly from when it explodes :o

Title: Re: Drive water/brown's gas/HHO.
Post by jabbacar on May 17^th, 2008, 9:55am

Thanks for your replies,even anticipated mickey takes!
As johnnycabs reply shows the basic theory is right,I'm just learning from someones experiences.

£5 a gallon,unleaded,-think about it.
Jabb.

Title: Re: Drive water/brown's gas/HHO.
Post by Scorpio_Mike on May 17^th, 2008, 10:22am

Not exactly a lot of room under the bonnet of a modern car to fit much else in...

Title: Re: Drive water/brown's gas/HHO.
Post by TiberiuS on May 17^th, 2008, 10:24am

Hi guys.

This reminds me a bit of my first experience trying to build a working engine using home made fuel when I was a kid.

Malt vinegar + Baking soda x (shake a little ;)) = :o

Tried to build a working engine like this, depleted the world's stocks of Sarson's and made a lot of mess but never had much success :-/

From there my next brainchild was a go kart powered by a homebrew steam engine. Apparently the thoughts of a park full of burns victims on a hot sunny day meant mum would never let me build it :(

From there an industrial spin drier motor strapped to the back of the chassis, controlled by a dimmer switch driving a 2.5ft propeller :-X

Yes, I was a very dangerous kid, health and safety nightmare..

This sounds like Lego in comparison ;)

Title: Re: Drive water/brown's gas/HHO.
Post by peteHull on May 17^th, 2008, 11:08am

on 05/17/08 at 09:55:17, jabbacar wrote:

Thanks for your replies,even anticipated mickey takes!
As johnnycabs reply shows the basic theory is right,I'm just learning from someones experiences.

£5 a gallon,unleaded,-think about it.
Jabb.

No, seriously Jabbacar, it sounds very interesting and I would love to hear about any progress you make.
I have for years had an idea of building an engine with only 1 moving part, no fuel and no emissions. In theory there is no way that it couldn't work. The only problems are that it would take loads of money to develop, if it were developed it would be scuppered (politically) because it would put loads of big boys out of business.
NOW THEN, that's got you thinking hasn't it?

Pete

PS: at the moment I have got LPG to help in the cost area which cuts the fuel cost in half so the fiver a gallon is controlled a bit...

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Title: Re: Drive water/brown's gas/HHO.
Post by peteHull on May 21^st, 2008, 3:56pm

Look what's turned up on the other forum that I use.
The poster is asking if they work?

http://www.tfuelcell.co.uk/

here we go again.... ??? ;D

Pete

Title: Re: Drive water/brown's gas/HHO.
Post by TiberiuS on May 21^st, 2008, 7:18pm

Yo Pete ;)

As I'm writing this, the Google banner at the top of the page reads:

'Run your car on water SCAM!'

At least we know Google advertizing is working ::)

It's a bit like the 'ever lasting' filament bulbs, word has it that one of the big companies bought the patent and 'lost' it somewhere very secure. Now we're told that in a couple of years we won't be able to buy conventional filament bulbs any more and we're being forced to use those barmy low energy things which don't seem to last anywhere near as long as a normal bulb and spread mercury everywhere when you break one in the attic. Charming :-/

If there was really a way to run your car on water, one of the eco big boys like Honda would be on it and all of a sudden we'd be forced to use hydrogen in our cars and it'd cost us a fortune.

The fact that both Ford and Honda (to name just 2) have been messing with this technology for years now without and real success tells me that a small company who claims to have found the holy grail of eco fuel economy is selling a farce designed to protect no more than their company's economy ::)

Methane is the way to go, install a herd of Aberdeen Angus under the hood of every car and solve the farming and fuel crisis under one ;D ;)

Oh, and it decreases the impact the cow's flatulence has on the ozone layer, apparently now cattle are the big global warming evil ::)

Regards, Bruce :)

Title: Re: Drive water/brown's gas/HHO.
Post by Kjetil S on May 21^st, 2008, 10:07pm

From the fuel cell site:

Quote:

Look at how fuel is wasted in running your vehicle:

50 litres of fuel in your tank =
10 litres (20%) are burned i.e. used in driving your vehicle
40 litres (80%) wasted and blown out the exhaust

Catalytic converters are required to burn off this excess 40 litres of fuel to stop pollution.

Erm.. no ::)

Somebody failed physics/chemistry 101 I think.

The wasted energy is mostly let out as heat, not unburnt fuel. A cat wouldn't last long with 80% unburnt fuel going into the exhaust.

Quote:

The HHO gas is produced from water where it is stored. One litre of water stores over 8,340 litres of HHO gas. There is no fire hazard because as we both know the fire brigade and everyone else uses water to put out fires. So it is completely safe.

So by their reasoning, since water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen, and water is safe, then mixing hydrogen and oxygen and igniting must be safe too.

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Title: Re: Drive water/brown's gas/HHO.
Post by Pegasus on May 22^nd, 2008, 9:31pm

on 05/21/08 at 22:07:09, Kjetil S wrote:

So by their reasoning, since water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen, and water is safe, then mixing hydrogen and oxygen and igniting must be safe too.

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Well, NASA uses this mixture to get their cars to Mars, etc ;D