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(Message started by: Highlander on Nov 14th, 2008, 4:22pm)
Title: Scorpio faults
Post by Highlander on Nov 14th, 2008, 4:22pm
Been thinking about a few of the Scorpios faults, what else can you come up with :)

Rear wheel bearings : You cant tell anythings wrong until the wheel falls off!

24v has a rubber water hose which passes THROUGH the cylinder head.

24v thermostat! enough said!

24v radiators!! see above!

2.3 inlet manifolds : made of....... PLASTIC!!!

a plastic battery cover designed to keep water out of the fuseboxes but designed with a HOLE in the top of it!

Estate rear shocks, a one off Ford only part that cost £300 each! how many estates have been cubed because of this?
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Matt on Nov 14th, 2008, 5:17pm
what about the engine looms in the 16v and 24v
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by lube-o-rific on Nov 14th, 2008, 5:24pm
12v Oil Pressure Switch leaking engine oil.
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by cossie_al on Nov 14th, 2008, 6:48pm
Plastic 'T' piece in the vac pipes on 24v on top of engine and under manifolds!!!!
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by gozz on Nov 14th, 2008, 9:14pm
Most faults are preceded by 24v ! but we still have a strange affection for the great Cosworth lashup  ::)
                                   GOZZ.
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by taliban aka Cheekyboy2 on Nov 14th, 2008, 11:01pm
what do you expect...its a ford....... ::)
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by matt1987 on Nov 15th, 2008, 9:39am
rusty arches, headlight switches, hbc
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by pinto on Nov 15th, 2008, 9:00pm
Wiring looms as stated :)

The exhaust manifold on the 2000/2300 16V's - made of cast iron and then wrapped in reflective insulated plating to make the cat work  - they then wonder why they crack....  ::)

NOT releasing an EECV ecu for the 24V with a manual box ;)

Any my own personal niggle..... a bloody UK market fuel/trip computer that defaults to METRIC when the battery is disconnected  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by amigafan2003 on Nov 15th, 2008, 9:11pm

Quote:
Plastic 'T' piece in the vac pipes on 24v on top of engine and under manifolds!!!!


I've just fixed that (one of the t's had cracked off).  Long nose pliers, double jointed (I wasn't before!) and immense amounts of patience won the day!
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Jonnycab on Nov 16th, 2008, 2:18am
A few more.......  ;)

2.0 & 2.3 expansion tanks prone to splitting & leaking coolant.

Temperature sender sensors from Ford (only supplier).....on my third one in just under three years, but had no problem with previous '95 Scorp  ???.....are new temp senders not manufactured to original Ford specs...i.e...made in Taiwan ?  :-/

They rust prematurely on the rear wheel arches, sill to chassis & the chassis just behind the rear isolater bush  ::)

Auto dimming mirrors that fail & leak 'alien blood', seized sunroof motors, seized boot locks, blocked heater matrix's & fuel computer buttons that don't work when pressed.

7000 stereo that has a tendency to lose the LCD display for no reason...

...& the ultimate one, as Matt stated, the engine loom on the 2.0/2.3.........who would design a cylinder head with 4 spark plugs & 2 large ignition coils that are fed by skinny bits of wire running over a surface that can reach extremely high temperatures....& then cover it with a bakelite cover, so as it can get even hotter  ???
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Matt on Nov 16th, 2008, 1:05pm
though of another that effects every model . . . THE BLOODY CENTRAL LOCKING REMOTES!


then back to the wiring loom on the 24v, what genius decided it was a good idea to run the gear box loom as part of the engine loom, then clip the d**n thing to the top of the gear box making inspection of it near impossible without unbolting bits
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by peteHull on Nov 20th, 2008, 8:31am

on 11/15/08 at 21:00:42, pinto wrote:
made of Any my own personal niggle..... a bloody UK market fuel/trip computer that defaults to METRIC when the battery is disconnected  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(


This one can be altered by software as it is a default setting... Stewart, (highlander) would probably be able to do it on his super new bit of kit.... ;) ;) ::)

Pete
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by mr._floppy on Nov 20th, 2008, 4:57pm
The remote  central locking  NOT  giving  an  indication,  either horn or  lights, of  a successful  lock/unlock. >:(

A breathtaking  oversight by the boffins  at  Ford  Europe  which  leads to Scorpio owners doing the  embarrassing   " press remote button - strain your ears to hear the mechanism - check handle - press bloody  remote button again   "  dance  routine.  

Not  having an  in cabin  boot  release  is  a  minor  irritant .
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by lube-o-rific on Nov 20th, 2008, 5:02pm
I was surprised at the lack of a cabin boot release myself, I keep having to yank the keys out of the ignition when I drop someone off!

It might be worth mentioning the roof aerial base seal has failed and is letting in water, right onto my lap through the sun visor anchor nearest the rear view mirror.
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by gost on Nov 20th, 2008, 5:59pm
Mr floppy, my cental locking remote flashes indicators ???
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by lube-o-rific on Nov 20th, 2008, 6:03pm
I'm sure you can get the relay fitted that operates the indicators, but it wasn't fitted to UK spec as standard.
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Matt on Nov 20th, 2008, 7:20pm
the flash lock on system was fitted to the face lift cars and i believe its programmed into the pats system
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Highlander on Nov 20th, 2008, 7:43pm

on 11/20/08 at 17:59:22, gost wrote:
Mr floppy, my cental locking remote flashes indicators ???


Mine too, only only double clicking though
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by rich1 on Nov 20th, 2008, 9:03pm
as a fairly new scorpio owner (17 months and yep rear wheel bearing went ) i gotta say your all scaring the crap out of me  :o
have igot all this to look forward to ?
so far ive had rear wheel bearing , wishbone and of course at the moment the water pump
but (fingers crossed) my electrics have been fine , got no rust and runs like a dream.......so please stop puttin the willies up me  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Highlander on Nov 20th, 2008, 9:07pm
17 months and you've not had a radiator go on a 24v?? ;)

Wait till you start it one cold morning and hear the timing chains rattling!!  }{
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Jonnycab on Nov 21st, 2008, 2:52am

on 11/20/08 at 19:20:02, Matt wrote:
the flash lock on system was fitted to the face lift cars and i believe its programmed into the pats system


The wifes P reg '97 pre-facelift 2.3 Ultima estate has the 'flash lock on' system.....so there  :P........ ;D
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by gozz on Nov 21st, 2008, 8:17am
So have some of my N and P reg funereal motors !
                                      GOZZ.
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by lube-o-rific on Nov 21st, 2008, 11:13am

on 11/21/08 at 08:17:09, gozz wrote:
So have some of my N and P reg funereal motors !
                                      GOZZ.


Is there an extra relay fitted somewhere to allow the flashes on lock?
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Highlander on Nov 21st, 2008, 12:08pm
No it has to be programmed by the WDS or FDS.

I have the FDS but not really played about with it much yet, I should be able to do this once I become an FDS Master ;)
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Matt on Nov 21st, 2008, 5:20pm
i stand corrected :p
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by lube-o-rific on Nov 21st, 2008, 5:28pm
When someone finds out how to do it then please, please let me know!  ;D
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Simmo on Nov 21st, 2008, 6:08pm
Are you sure you are using the remote or key correctly?. In order to get the 'flash on lock 'you need to press the remote TWICE and if using the key you need to turn it to UNLOCK and THEN lock and hold it for a second or two. My N reg has it and from previous replies it seems most others do.
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by lube-o-rific on Nov 21st, 2008, 6:14pm
The remote will be arriving soon, but it doesn't flash when double locking with the key, we will see...  ;D
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by rich1 on Nov 21st, 2008, 8:16pm

on 11/20/08 at 21:07:04, Highlander wrote:
17 months and you've not had a radiator go on a 24v?? ;)

Wait till you start it one cold morning and hear the timing chains rattling!!  }{


your really not funny ;D ;D
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Highlander on Nov 21st, 2008, 8:52pm
you cant own a Scorpio and not have a sense of humour  ;D
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by gozz on Nov 21st, 2008, 9:48pm
Not for very long anyway  ;)
                            GOZZ.
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by cossie_al on Nov 21st, 2008, 11:05pm
Not a technical fault, but still a fault in my eyes!
once you have owned a scorp every car you will ever own  will always be compared to your scorp no matter what the new car cost.
believe me not a day goes by without me thinking okay its got everything the scorp had but its still not a scorp.
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by gozz on Nov 21st, 2008, 11:28pm
cossie_al.
Does that include all the strange anomolies too ? ???
                                      GOZZ.
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by cossie_al on Nov 22nd, 2008, 12:11am
Errr! I suppose the answer is yes Gozz
peugeot dealers and "technicians" are just as baffled when you describe a fault on a 607 3.0ltr 24v as most fmd technicians are with our beloved scorp.
to cut a real long story short I will never buy another french car >:(
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by gozz on Nov 22nd, 2008, 6:25pm
Tres bien  8)
                GOZZ.
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Matt on Nov 24th, 2008, 7:00pm
yep, mine deffo doesnt have the double flash on lock activated, ive got a few face life moduals though, might plug one of them in and see if it works  ::)
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Dave2302 on Nov 25th, 2008, 4:08pm
The flash on lock is definitely programmable with FDS.
My old 95 12v did it on one push and on double locking (extra flash) but after I crashed it I bought the cossie estate which didn't flash until my FMD mate re programmed it with his FDS ;)
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Dave2302 on Nov 25th, 2008, 4:10pm
Oh and my rad lasted more than 17 months, until it exploded last Sunday at 2 in the morning LOL  ;D
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Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Dave2302 on Nov 27th, 2008, 1:34pm
And the list gets longer lol....

Ally transmission coolers that rot and fall apart with potentially disastrous results for your poor old transmission  ;)
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Dave on Dec 8th, 2008, 9:57pm
Indeed, as highlander says the flashing indicators on remote is programmable in the WDS or FDS. It's some sort of country setting, if I remember rightly .. in the key/remote section it is set to UK spec, or something like that. It's a 2 minute job at Ford. The cost? One hour's labour. Worth it? Yeah.
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by mr._floppy on Dec 8th, 2008, 11:03pm
>>>>>It's a 2 minute job at Ford. <<<< :-/

Would that  it were that simple.

The lads  down my local FMD  scratched their heads and looked at me as if I were insane  when I mentioned  how simple it would be  to re-programme the FDS  on  my Scorp  to enable a  flash on lock/unlock .

Needless to  say I gave  up on  the idea.  :'(
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by martin_rowe on Dec 10th, 2008, 1:22pm
Biggest fault is, they stopped making them.
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by lube-o-rific on Dec 10th, 2008, 5:48pm
Are we still on the flash on lock issue?!

Your experience with your FMD in the issue doesn't inspire me. I would imagine that I'd get a similar response at my local FMD.  >:(
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Dave2302 on Dec 10th, 2008, 7:02pm
FMD's can't be bothered if its not a current model and the day to day "clone car" fitters simply don't know as the Scorp is just not like run of the mill models.  >:(
Basically they aren't that familiar with the cars cos they stopped making them.  This applies to a lot of smaller garages as well.  There was never enough cars on the road for the motor trade to earn any real money out of them or to become experienced with them.

Those of us who have stripped down a few of them and tackled some of the more challenging problems, truly understand EXACTLY how they work and don't have a problem fixing them.   ;)

As regards garages now and then you'll find a good one with one of their staff like my mate Mark, who's done all the courses and knows 'em inside out and will sort out most woes in a jiffy.... Top Men  ;D
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by lube-o-rific on Dec 10th, 2008, 7:13pm
Where are you Dave? If I can go to a good FMD, then so much the better.  ;D
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Simmo on Dec 10th, 2008, 7:16pm
His profile says Dartford, Kent. ;)
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Dave2302 on Dec 10th, 2008, 7:17pm
Well I'm now in North West Highlands LOL  ;D ....
but the guy I'm on about used to work for Swale Ford at Northfleet Kent when I lived there.  Think he works for himself now tho....
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Dave2302 on Dec 10th, 2008, 7:25pm
Ta Simmo, ;)

I'd Forgotten to edit my profile since we moved (only a year ago)  ::)

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Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Dave2302 on Dec 10th, 2008, 7:27pm
Profile done now  }{
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Simmo on Dec 10th, 2008, 7:29pm
;D :D
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Scorpio_Mike on Dec 11th, 2008, 12:00pm

on 12/10/08 at 13:22:09, martin_rowe wrote:
Biggest fault is, they stopped making them.

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Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by hopper on Dec 26th, 2008, 2:12pm
Hi Guys,

I understand that FMD is Ford main dealer but can you please explain what FDS is please as I would like to programme my system to Flash when double locked my old Scorpio 24v estate also an M reg did flash and beep I think it was registered in N.Ireland originally. My replacement M reg 24v estate double locks but no beep or flashing indicators.

Regards Chris
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by pinto on Dec 26th, 2008, 4:14pm
Ford Diagnostic System - Full title FDS 2000 IIRC.

Its the engine management diagnostic tool for the EECIV and EECV management systems used on all ford cars till they went all Mazda on us :)

There are a few members who are lucky enough to posess them (and i beleive there is one on ebay at the moment)
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Highlander on Dec 26th, 2008, 6:19pm
I believe the ebay one has just joined the Fordscorpio fold ;)
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by pat on Dec 29th, 2008, 3:57pm
Probably in someone's spare room by now Stuart   ;) ;D
Title: Re: Scorpio faults
Post by Highlander on Dec 29th, 2008, 8:21pm
Not mine this time :)


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