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(Message started by: Highlander on Mar 11^th, 2009, 6:56pm)

Title: Transit Project
Post by Highlander on Mar 11^th, 2009, 6:56pm

I am currently giving the old Mk4 Transit a Scorpio 24v engine and gearbox upgrade, should be fun when its finished }{

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Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Matt on Mar 11^th, 2009, 7:49pm

seen a few of them done now, mostly with the BOA lump, good fun im told ;D

stick a manual box on it tho, you know you want to lol

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Highlander on Mar 11^th, 2009, 7:57pm

I would but its a lot of extra work and I would imagine pretty suicidal :)

The transit forum havent seen a BOB conversion before,
all BOA (that has to do with the something called PATS and multiplex wiring apparently) ;)

basically I just need the transit Automatic prop (which I have sourced)

the transit selector and linkage

fabricate some engine mounts

mount the Scorpio fuel pump in the tank

Oh and install the entire Scorpio wiring loom ;)

Easy!!!

Got three lovely Scorpio Electric seats in it too, hopefully can get the aircon and power steering working as well

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Matt on Mar 11^th, 2009, 9:44pm

the pas shouldn't be to much work, if the cossie's rack fits in the tranny you could have it speed sensitive to ;)

the tranny boys don't know the BOB's like us, and we all know the PATS and wiring aint the hardest bits to sort out

id try with the manual, auto box might not be so good for tugging scorpios behind lol, you could always look at the 4x4 tranny for its box and bits?

the trannys are easy to work on as the front comes off fairly easily, so you can just wheel the lump in place on a trolley

funnily enough the other day i was talking to tons of fun (craig) about what i should do with the 2.9 out of my car once the 4ltr lump is in it, be both agreed a p100 BOB would be a bit of fun and soon kill us

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Highlander on Mar 11^th, 2009, 10:03pm

The transit MT75 apparently needs an adaptor plate for the cologne and is too wide for the 24v manifolds which have to be extended outwards to give enough clearance....and so on and so on.. lol

too much work for me, i'm quite happy with an auto :)

The front doesnt come off on mine, some Ford guy has welded a dirty great front crossmember on it!! :)

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Tons_of_fun on Mar 13^th, 2009, 3:04pm

Hi stuart. You do know that the earlier pinto engined transits had a beefier version of the type 9 -b gearbox ?. Much stronger than the sierra items ;). Mind you a transit with monster kickdown potential must be a sight to see ;D. Yep it's true. Matt & i were talking about a BOB P100 !!! :o. Dont think my blood pressure could take that at the moment though & Matt needs to open a savings account for rear tyres & underpants, for when his 4.0ltr monster is finished ::) ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Matt on Mar 13^th, 2009, 5:37pm

are you going to pinch a 2ltr diff and bung that in it as well? or at least transplant the inners of the diffs

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Tons_of_fun on Mar 13^th, 2009, 6:59pm

Now that would make it a little bit more fun ;D ;D ;D...Suicidal, but fun 8)

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Highlander on Mar 15^th, 2009, 9:43pm

on 03/13/09 at 17:37:44, Matt wrote:

are you going to pinch a 2ltr diff and bung that in it as well? or at least transplant the inners of the diffs

Scorpio diff wont fit, Transit has a solid axle and the Scorpio crown wheel and pinion wont fit but it does have a 4.56 on it just now ;)
although I may have to upgrade the rear axle as I dont think they take too much abuse ;)

I think the F150 axle is looking like the way to go

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Highlander on Mar 15^th, 2009, 9:46pm

on 03/13/09 at 15:04:45, Tons_of_fun wrote:

P100's usually have good ratios on them too, 5.something usually i think?? ;D

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by rich1 on Mar 15^th, 2009, 10:46pm

blimey that will be one rapid ol van :)

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by 5stud on Mar 16^th, 2009, 1:45pm

brother had a mk2 swb work bus.we put a 3lt v6 in one afternone things wear simple back then.good fun demoralizeing hot hatchs at the time

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by gozz on Mar 16^th, 2009, 10:30pm

I bought a new Transit 190 in 1980 with a 3lt V6 and overdrive,used to do about 500 miles a day delivering horticultural products nationwide.It averaged 19 mpg,but was a dream to drive and very relaxing and quiet.Those were the days :'(
GOZZ.

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Highlander on Mar 16^th, 2009, 10:43pm

Gozz do you realise that was 30 years ago! ;D

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by gozz on Mar 16^th, 2009, 11:13pm

Och noo ! ah should be in the back a me ain hearse be now :o I bet that Tranny's dust now,and some of the later ones I've had ! The most disappointing one was the very last before the 2000 shape,I bought it as the new one came out because the look of it was in my eyes superior to the newfangled style,it had the legendary 2.5di with the higher diff as I only moved the deceased at that time,it had all the goodies but made such a chronic resonance that I could hear it and feel it in bed,in addition to which it did a princely 24mpg ! It went in to see Mr Ford twice but he declared it in fine fettle,I reckon the di was underpowered with the high diff,and needed a turbo.I subsequently borrowed a new 2lt turbo,filled it up with diesel and went to the south coast delivering and collecting bodies.On my return I had to pump out half a tank of Derv,it did 38mpg quietly and without fuss,what a contrast,needless to say I ordered one.My latest is a 330 with 2.4 turbo which makes light work of the trailer with a hearse on,and apart from the tacho is legal weightwise,but then,I'm not working for hire or reward !
GOZZ.

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Highlander on Mar 17^th, 2009, 12:09am

Can you remember the Reg? there are a few old V6's kicking about :)

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by gozz on Mar 17^th, 2009, 7:48am

DAV 100 V.The Ford bloke gave me a list to choose from including DAV 99 V which I suggested they put on a V6 Wadham Stringer ambulance for St Johns,and they did.
GOZZ

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Highlander on Mar 17^th, 2009, 8:22pm

Well the reg is now on a lorry, cant find any details on your transit, not looking good i dont think ;)

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by gozz on Mar 17^th, 2009, 9:09pm

At least the plate is still alive and kicking ! I sold the van early in it's life due to the loss of a job it was doing,a man from Bourne,Lincs bought it to tow his catering kiosk which he built himself and which was 'over engineered' to say the least.I saw it in Whittlesey,Cambs some years later looking somewhat sorry for it's self in the hands of a building trade bloke,and proving that the Ziebart I had applied when it was new had little affect ???
GOZZ.

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Dave2302 on Mar 23^rd, 2009, 2:57pm

Stuart,

The auto will do a fine job in yr tranny even for towing, just fit the biggest extra oil cooler you can fit and it'll be fine. ;)

Also a really strong auto box can be built for the 24 valves using the guts out of a 4.0 litre explorer box. It has heavy duty sprags, gearsets, band servos and extra clutch plates in the drums ;D A 2 litre scorp converter gets em off the line quicker with the tyres ablaze, due to its higher stall speed.

This is exactly what I did to my Cossie estate when the box blew up last year, and it's wicked.
Also for those building 4 litre Cossies, use a Explorer ECU and you'll get 5 speeds plus converter lock out of yr auto gearbox. The fuelling won't be too far out, lambdas might correct it enuf for the 24v heads, if not use adjustable pressure reg and it surely will ;)

Got some chassis welding to do this summer where the estates always rust, so will contact you nearer the time ;) as I wanna fit a 2.3 diff while its all out ;D so if you got a good 'un I'll be in the market lol

Regards Dave

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by dave44 on Mar 23^rd, 2009, 4:06pm

Highlander sorry but i have only just noticed, if you are going to scrap scorp when you have removed engine etc, can i please have the street lamp growing out of the roof? As shown in your first post on this subject.

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Highlander on Mar 23^rd, 2009, 8:23pm

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Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Highlander on Mar 23^rd, 2009, 8:28pm

on 03/23/09 at 14:57:09, Dave2302 wrote:

Some good ideas there Dave, can you tell me more about the 2.0 Torque convertor and how that works?

Is it a 2.3 diff you're after? the 3.91 ratio? I have one here for you ;)

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Matt on Mar 23^rd, 2009, 8:43pm

using the 4ltr ecu? not thought of that and i have it, would it still work with a manual box on the back or would i still have the same problem of tricking it into thinking there is an auto box on it?

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Dave2302 on Mar 23^rd, 2009, 9:34pm

Hi guys,

Stuart:- yes its the 2.3 diff I require, how much to post it to me, will also need speedo drive gear from 2.3 auto to go with it. Will be in the market to buy it in about 3 weeks as I'm going away this week.

Right, converters... If you stand a 2.0 and a 24v converter next to one another you will notice that the vane angles, (ribs you can see around the circumference), are different. This is because the stall speeds are different, the 2.0 one will allow the 24v revs to rise a bit more before it pulls away, thus making more torque available at the rear wheels on launches ;D ;D ;D

Matt: If the ECU is from a manual Explorer no prob, otherwise yes it needs fooling but its easy...Just solder resistors in to the gearbox wiring connections to make it think that it has an autobox connected to it. This is the easiest way to do it, just use the same value resistors as the solenoids and speed sensor within the gearbox...no more confused ecu.com...simples as the meerkat says ;D

regards Dave

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Matt on Mar 23^rd, 2009, 9:44pm

Cheers dave

ive been looking at the 24v ecu mainly, completely left my mind i had the explorer one!

well that's another option open to me :D:D

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Dave2302 on Mar 23^rd, 2009, 9:56pm

Matt,

Are you building a 4.0 litre or a 3.0, cos when I built my 4x4 Sapphire Cossie years ago I used a BOB but fuelled it with a standard BOA ECU and BOA EDIS 6 ignition with a home made loom from Bits of BOB, BOA and XR4x4 sierra looms. Advantages are you can advance the ignition a few degrees by making a different crank sensor bracket, you only need 2 lambdas, and there is no autobox electronics as the BOA's used a fully hydraulic A4LD auto. Fuelling was spot on, pulled like a train. ;D

Dave

p.s. theres no PATS to mess with. I'm gonna be doing a 4x4 escort exactly the same way using all the above with 4wd sierra floorpan and running gear and modded xr4x4 MT75 (diesel gearset), just as soon as I finish building my new workshop up here after easter ;D ;D

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Matt on Mar 24^th, 2009, 5:50pm

im building a 4.0 liter manual BOB :D, so in simple terms the the most complex option }{

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Dave2302 on Mar 24^th, 2009, 6:46pm

;D

Yeah reckon the Explorer ECU is the best way to go, but if it's gonna be 2wd I'd be using a24v Auto with Explorer auto guts and a 2.0 litre Scorp Converter with heavy duty lockup lining and splines. The Explorer ecu with this combo would give you a 5 speed auto plus lockup and will launch like a manual lol ;D

I'm still looking for a 4wd transit auto transfer setup so i can use same spec transmission in the Escort, but they are rarer than rocking horse ... If I can get one tho the (modified) props will then match the Sierra 4x4 running gear.

Dave

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Highlander on Apr 1^st, 2009, 11:36pm

Not got the speedo gear Dave just the diff sorry

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Dave2302 on Apr 2^nd, 2009, 12:20am

No worrys Stuart,

Weve probably got one in an old unit somewhere, will have to brave the "Oil Shed" down sth lol.

If yr not in a hurry put my name on the diff and I'll sort ya out next month, unfortunately run out of readies as me Discovery has just cost me 1500 quid in bits, the b****r blew up big style last week coming over Rannoch Moor !! (New Head, Gaskets etc plus Turbo unit oh and an Alternator 2 days B4... and this week Discs and pads on all 4 wheels plus rollbar links. :( :( Still must admit I've done bog all to it in the last 18 months apart from ragging it 650 miles up and down to Highlands on an almost weekly basis lol ;D ;D

Cheers Dave

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Highlander on Apr 2^nd, 2009, 12:39am

Rannoch Moor... that has to be one of the best roads in the world!! I love doing that one on the bike, although if you're not going on the train all you can do at the other end is use the loo!! :)

No rush, just let me know when you want it, how come you're not after a 4.27 diff?? ;)

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Highlander on Apr 4^th, 2009, 4:11pm

Hi Dave,
i'm just about to fit the 24v in the transit, is it just a matter of swapping the torque convertor for the 2.0 one or is it a bit more involved than that?

Title: Re: Transit Project
Post by Dave2302 on Apr 8^th, 2009, 10:52pm

Hi Stuart,

Sorry been busy last couple of days,

Yeah Rannoch is great, especially in / on something very quick ;D

Dont want the all out acceleration of the 2.0 diff as I want to retain a modicum of "fuel economy" / high speed lower rev cruising so figured the 2.3 diff would be a good compromise ;)

Yep just straight swap on the converter, just double check the length of the button in the centre on engine side it must be the same and there are 2 different lengths. You dont need a tape measure its obvious by eye if they are different ;)

Discovery all fixed (till summat else goes bang) ;D

Travelling back to Highlands tomorrow nite for the Easter Gigs, then back down to the Transmission firm for 1 more week on Monday nite, then back up home until at least September (Thank God) LOL.

Gotta finish building my new workshop and get the Cossie fixed so I'll let ya know soon as I need the Diff.
PM me a price inc P&P and I'll know how many beer tokens to save up ;D

Regards Dave