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(Message started by: Scorpio on Sep 14^th, 2013, 11:42am)

Title: Limo
Post by Scorpio on Sep 14^th, 2013, 11:42am

Bidding on this. Anyone experience of what is the value of this.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290976666336?

Adam

Title: Re: Limo
Post by Daniel on Sep 14^th, 2013, 1:35pm

Seen that a day or two ago, looks nice with the 12 spokes :) hope you get it mate ;D

Just found these two. Prices are way apart

Not sure if this is a 24v but it has got the chrome pipe
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORD-DORCHESTER-6-DOOR-LIMOUSINE-AUTO-BLACK-/300964649621?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item4612e41a95#ht_1021wt_958

This one seem alot and only a 2.3

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-DORCHESTER-AUTO-/310697405293?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item4857022b6d#ht_1007wt_986

Title: Re: Limo
Post by Matt on Sep 14^th, 2013, 5:42pm

Adam you need to speak to Gozz. Hes the one in the know on limos

Title: Re: Limo
Post by Scorpio on Sep 14^th, 2013, 5:48pm

Thanks Matt.

Cheers Dan for the links. I don't think this 24v is the Dorchester.
Maybe Coleman Milne??

Title: Re: Limo
Post by fieldashley on Sep 14^th, 2013, 9:19pm

I'm been thinking out getting this one too, does look very cool...

Title: Re: Limo
Post by gozz on Sep 14^th, 2013, 11:31pm

You could still pay £2000 for a smart low mileage Coleman Milne Dorchester or the higher spec Grosvenor.However this one is neither smart nor Coleman Milne by the look of it,though they did produce a few lowline cars known as the 'Windsor'where the roof was not raised thus standard glass was used as in this car.They were not popular as funeral cars because of the low headroom and the out of proportion looks,this one could be an Irish stretch,some of which were not good,the photo showing the division does resemble a CM style though.I reckon £900 would be tops on it with it's rotten wheel arches and lack of division,to me an undesirable example to say the least.

Title: Re: Limo
Post by Scorpio on Sep 15^th, 2013, 12:16am

Thanks Gozz, have sent a few questions to the owner.

Adam

Title: Re: Limo
Post by fieldashley on Sep 15^th, 2013, 12:04pm

Hi Adam, did you find anymore about the limo from the owner?? Regards Ashley...

Title: Re: Limo
Post by Scorpio on Sep 15^th, 2013, 12:47pm

Yes, it's not a Coleman Milne as Gozz has already kindly informed us.
Hope to view it this week. Are older limos subject to any further safety checks apart from an MOT??

If it is an Irish stretch is it basically a "cut and shut"

Title: Re: Limo
Post by Scorpio on Sep 15^th, 2013, 3:31pm

Update: requested a viewing but seller is away!
Seller also said it maybe provisionally sold?

As they say on the BBC Dragons Den:
Tell you where I am. I am out.

Title: Re: Limo
Post by Daniel on Sep 19^th, 2013, 8:52am

WOW look at this one :o
Needs work but it would be amazing when done
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1978-FORD-GRANADA-3-0-MK1-GROSVENOR-LIMOUSINE-/181220007172?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2a318ddd04#ht_421wt_958

Title: Re: Limo
Post by gozz on Sep 19^th, 2013, 10:34am

Adam,limo versions are subject to a standard MOT test,but if they are licensed by a local authority under the miscellaneous provisions act for private hire,the council usually have an extra inspection to see that their requirements are being complied with,more to do with correct fixing of plates and signs as well as general internal and external cleanliness and condition.Funeral cars do not come under that remit,though more than once our city council have made noises and threats about licencing,but the law would have to be changed,and it would not be worthwhile since the vehicles are under the control of funeral firms who are hardly likely to turn out scruffy or badly maintained vehicles.
I have never had cause to dismantle or weld an Irish stretch,therefore have little knowledge of their construction,but the trim and extra seats are seldom up to Coleman Milne standard,CM do a lot of strengthening in sills etc as well.
It seems you are putting the seller on edge by asking questions about which he does not want to answer truthfully,he will be hoping a poor ignorant buyer will turn up with rose tinted spectacles and a wad before you arrive and tell him a few home truths 8)

Title: Re: Limo
Post by gozz on Sep 19^th, 2013, 11:06am

on 09/19/13 at 08:52:19, Daniel wrote:

I used to run those about 25 years ago,excellent they were with that torquey old 3litre Essex,that one is a special with light trim,most likely a mayoral or big company car.Its getting on a bit though and would need checking for structural corrosion,the roof coverings also hide nasties,it would not be the first car to be re covered
after roof repairs.

Title: Re: Limo
Post by Simmo on Sep 19^th, 2013, 2:25pm

on 09/19/13 at 10:34:59, gozz wrote:

he will be hoping a poor ignorant buyer will turn up with rose tinted spectacles and a wad before you arrive and tell him a few home truths 8)

On the other hand he could get you Gozz and be really sorry he advertised!! ;D :D

Title: Re: Limo
Post by fieldashley on Sep 19^th, 2013, 4:21pm

I was thinking about about having a bid the car, as I do prefer the look of these ones with the normal height roof.
So would Gozz would you that this is not a good version of the limo to buy?? Regards Ashley...

Title: Re: Limo
Post by Scorpio on Sep 19^th, 2013, 10:42pm

Thanks Gozz for your reply. I value greatly your advice.

Well, I viewed the Limo today.
Tad the owner was very approachable.

Now, as with nearly all Limos. They are not manufactured by the original motor company.
There is no CoIF (Certificate of Initial Fitness) and no history of when or whom carried out this conversion. This fact alone has ended any further interest.

The Limo itself was aesthetically pleasing to my eye.

The engine is original and in good condition. The WOT on start-up failed to operate.
The exhaust had a slight blow in mid section.
G/box and brakes operated well.

It would require a replacement headling after water ingress from the second sunroof.

Gozz was 100% on the mark with pricing.

The extra interior seating was adequate but not to original standards.

I don't know about the legalities of informing DVLA/VOSA/Insurance companies etc.. of any such conversion, but this would need further investigation.

I cannot recommend this Limo for the exact reasons Gozz has already kindly stated.

Adam

Title: Re: Limo
Post by fieldashley on Sep 20^th, 2013, 12:18am

That's a shame I really like the look of it too. I think I'll keep my eye for a Coleman Milne converted limo.

Title: Re: Limo
Post by Scorpio on Sep 20^th, 2013, 1:50am

Ashley,

I have tried to be as subjective as possible in my description.
Having based my final decision on a lack of any constructional history.This is my gathered opinion.
Another purchaser may have a different outlook.

Overall, it is a nice looking car and also unique.
However, safety and legality was my overriding concern.

HTH

Adam

Title: Re: Limo
Post by gozz on Sep 20^th, 2013, 9:01am

That's fair Adam,it would be advisable to know from whence it came I reckon.A COIF is only required on a vehicle used as a PSV,or PCV as it is lately referred to,ie one with more than nine seats including the driver,there is now an 'SVA' single vehicle application applicable to stretches which may not be current in Eire.Operators of those ghastly Yank leviathans were cramming ten or more youngsters in for nights out and proms etc,without a PSV licence,VOSA now regularly attend these gatherings to bring them into line,the result is that the cars must be PSV equipped and the drivers need a minibus PSV licence.It all seems a bit heavy handed,but safety first eh.
GOZZ.