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(Message started by: monkfish on Oct 27^th, 2004, 4:48am)

Title: vss loom damage
Post by monkfish on Oct 27^th, 2004, 4:48am

does any one know of any pictures with the vss loom damage on the early scorpios and can you buy just this section of loom or is it conneced to the engin loom?

Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by Big_Bear on Nov 1^st, 2004, 12:37pm

What's the VSS loom?

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Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by Eric_R on Nov 1^st, 2004, 7:36pm

Big Bear, that's not a very helpful answer ???

The VSS loom is part of the engine management wiring. It comes over the top of the gearbox and down the side to the appropriate point where it joins with the electronics on the automatic. The manual box has a similar loom, but it isn't so thick because it only has to carry the VSS and Reverse switch.
http://fordscorpio.co.uk/loomrear.jpg
If you have damage to the loom perhaps you can replace just the wires affected. Replacing the loom would mean dropping the whole gearbox out and would be v costly.

Are you sure the wiring is faulty? Could it not be the VSS itself?

Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by Big_Bear on Nov 1^st, 2004, 10:21pm

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... the reason I asked the question is because I do not know what VSS means. The main reason for me asking was that I have replaced some of the harness on my vehicle by manufacturing my own, and I did not know if this was the same piece of harness.

If you do not wish me to help then I won't. I've made and fitted several pieces of narness, with success. I have made the boot hinge harness, the coil and cam sensor harness and a few others. I thought I may be of use, but if you think I'm being unhelpful, I will not bother.

If you had read what I asked you will have noticed I asked a question, not given advice until I knew which loom was being asked about!

Eric, I am a little disappointed with what seemed to be an admonishment from you. I have only this evening posted a full set of instructions regarding cleaning a key fob, for anyone that may require that info. I have more help that I was going to post on various subjects that seem to be problems for the members.

Dear Monkfish, I was wanting to be of help if I could, I did not know what the VSS looom was at the time I asked the UNHELPFULL question. Sorry to have been a nuisance.

Goodbye

Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by Big_Bear on Nov 1^st, 2004, 11:13pm

Next time you wish to advise someone that they are being perhaps unhelpfull in your opinion Eric, try to do the correct thing and have a word in private, not in full public view.

An apology in public would be a rather correct course of action right now, but it would not put right your harsh and unthinking words.

Big Bear.

Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by Paul B on Nov 2^nd, 2004, 5:57pm

2 points:

1st... I agree - not all of us know every detail about the car or know all these abreviations. I think we're all still learning.

2nd... Don't lose heart BB. You keep on posting and helping.

Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by Fitzy on Nov 2^nd, 2004, 6:10pm

Yea i agree with PaulB big-bear, don't loose heart lol no matter how silly it sounds or how silly you think it is just either ask it or give advice thats in your opinion, we never judge anyone by there comments, because you never know something that you have been doing for years to cars could just be the answer we are all looking for. We can all hold our hands up on this site and admit we've all asked or said something silly, come on guys own up!!!!!!!!

I know i have once or twice.

HTH

fitzy ;) ;D ;)

Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by Paul B on Nov 2^nd, 2004, 6:31pm

Yep, I've probably done it on more than one occasion :-[

Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by Big_Bear on Nov 2^nd, 2004, 7:44pm

cheers for the notes guys, I only wanna be of help and learn myself, no hidden agenda's. I dare say there will be some more silly questions that I can dream up..... such as...........I still don't know what VSS means yet??

ha ha ha ha ha ha

I now know where it is and to what some of it is connected to, so here I go again, what the hell is the VSS?

I feel a complete thingyhead now but so what? I take it that the heat from the engine is what may have damaged this loom, surely it couldn't be overloading of the cables?

Anyway, I've got a few things that I'll prepare and post on the various forums to do with other problems that I have fixed or repaired. I'm repairing the wiper mechanism at the mo', you know, the popping off of the nylon sockets on the long and short arms. How can the nylon sockets wear out the metal ball for instance??

Once again thanks for the kind words and best regards, Barry, Big Bear.....................BBBBBBBBBBBBBB

Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by daven on Nov 2^nd, 2004, 7:52pm

Hi BB,

I was also wondering!! - apparently it the Vehicle Speed Sensor!

Daven

Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by Eric_R on Nov 2^nd, 2004, 8:10pm

Blimey Big Bear, take it easy ::)

I was merely pointing out that Monkfish was asking for info. He clearly knows what a VSS is, and is asking about the wiring to the device. Instead of answering his question, you come up with

'What's the VSS loom?

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so instead of getting an answer, he now has to explain what the VSS is. And why should he? If you do a quick search of the site you'll find the pages I have written up (months of work, incidentally) starting with
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/obdabbrev.htm this tells you what the VSS is and how to find it in OBD
- which is explained on http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/obdindetail.htm and this will lead you to the Comprehensive Monitor http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/ccmonitor.htm which further explains what the DTCs are for the device.

Instead of asking poor Monkfish - who already knows and wants to know something else, why not look on the site for yourself? Why did I write all those pages? :'(

I did not mean to offend, but I was merely pointing out what is self-evident. Your reply was not helpful in any way - this forum is Problems, not chat. I know how frustrating it can be trying to get information that you are sure someone knows, only to have other people - who don't know the answer - asking another question.
Think for yourself - if you were Monkfish, which answer would you rather have ? Yours or mine ;)

Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by SaveTheNight on Nov 2^nd, 2004, 9:15pm

ha ! ... in defence of Big_Bear it was probably a spontaneous response < as we all do sometimes > ..and had monkfish replied before anyone else got there maybe BB would then have furnished an answer more befitting ? ..
and in defence of Eric ..well one can't really argue about saying that BB's answer didn't help ...
The written word though eh ? .. can be taken so many ways I reckon but i'm sure neither meant any offence first of all ...
shake hands Lads and make up !! .....
what I did think was a tiny bit harsh was that the forum is problems not chat !! ohhhh .. well many of my own problems have been sorted because of the friendly chat and banter as well as by informative answers ...
quote Eric :

" I got them !
Thanks to Snoopy for the heads up - cheers m8
First time I managed to win an auction on Ebay!
Noone else bid, so I got them for a bargain, I think.
Going to pick them up on Monday. Bit of work to fit them, but it should be worth the effort - my leather is in very good nick generally, but a small tear on the front passenger seat has always niggled, and there's a scratch on the rear seat back. Soon I'll have a minter inside . I'll do a page for it. "
hmmm ..sounds a bit chatty !! ...
seriously though ..I'm positive that neither meant any offence in their initial comments .. you MAKE the Forum Eric mate ..and we all have nothing but admiration and apreciation for the work you do .. but the guys and Gals ARE the Forum too ... regards ... STN < just sticking oar in > ...

Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by Eric_R on Nov 2^nd, 2004, 10:15pm

Not the same thing at all, STN >:(
Those comments of mine you quote are on the Parts for Sale section. Not to reply that I had bought the items and to thank the guys for the headsup would have been churlish.
The point is that noone was asking for help there - and I was not asking for info that is freely available on the site. So let's stick to this subject please.

Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by SaveTheNight on Nov 2^nd, 2004, 10:39pm

apologies Eric .. I took your comment about the " forum " to be generalised ..but re-reading see that you were referring the " problem section " of the forum .. so just goes to show how things get mistaken .. but anyway ..it's all a bit daft ..we are all " mates" and no one intends or condones personal offence .. I thought it needed a bit of joviality as BB did go a bit ape unnecessarily perhaps .. personally I had read your comment more " tongue in cheek with the ??? following it .. than I would as an admonishment .. and monkfish got a comprehensive answer without waiting too long anyway ... BB will no doubt help solve someones problem too ....... end of subject from me anyway ..as you rightly say ... STN < considering myself chastised for minor interference > :o :-X

Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by Paul B on Nov 2^nd, 2004, 11:17pm

Anyone else get the feeling that things might be getting out of hand? :-/
I've seen many a bust-up in owners' clubs in the past and, whilst I realise we're not tecnically a club, I'd hate to see this go that way.
As STN says, we're all mates here (I hope) and I think it's great. I reckon we should do our best to keep it like that.

Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by Eric_R on Nov 3^rd, 2004, 12:07am

Paul,
No bust up here :D

Big Bear was objecting to the gentlest of admonishments - as if I had no right to post it. As a Co-founder, Co-adminstrator and main Webmaster, having spent most of his spare time for the past 4 years working on the site - if I choose to admonish someone then I will, in just the same way that Steve C and Pete C will.
See http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/aboutus.htm

Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by Eddie on Nov 3^rd, 2004, 3:44am

Crumbs! I hope everyones in a better mood after having a kip!! :o

eddie

Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by Big_Bear on Nov 3^rd, 2004, 6:13am

The main thing here is, I have rebuilt and manufactured several wiring looms in the past and recently. I thought I could have been helpful to Monkfish in assembling or repairing his damaged loom. I just didn't know what particular loom he was asking about. My question was totally innocent.

If the loom needs to be repaired I still may be able to help in some way, as there are several does and don'ts regarding the types of materials to be used. Give me a shout if needed.

Eric, if any admonishments are needed, try administering them in a less public way, and then only after considering the circumstances fully. I will continue to ask questions in an effort to learn, and subsequently, to help people. I have not regarded this as a 'bust up', just an airing of views. It's unfortuneate that it has been labelled as such. No one is particularly correct and indeed, many people have had their say.

I will be posting the reconstruction of the coil supply and cam loom soon, as I have just completed it on my 2.3. Engine heat and a poor choice of cable insulation seems to be at the heart of these prob's. I'm assuming that this was the problem with the VSS loom?

More questions to follow folks, sorry.........

Big Bear...............BBBBBBBBBBBBB

Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by monkfish on Dec 23^rd, 2004, 1:31pm

sorry i have been offline for a while due to buying a house and renovating it. i chaged the vss for a new one to no avail. I had the clutch done on the car and was wondering if the bloke who done it could have damaged the loom that goes to the gearbox as the vss does not work and niehter does the lambda sensor on the same loom that comes down i was going to fix it over christmas so any help would eb greatly recieved. I did an obd check and it said these two sensors were broken and i though it was more than a coincidence. Thanks in advance for any replies to the post and for all the previous replies :)

Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by neil_goulsbra on Dec 23^rd, 2004, 8:08pm

So Monkfish, did you actually get your answer? I will send my appologies now. My first post on the site, I am new to the site and Ford cars in general. Was wrongly placed in the 'items for sale' forum not the parts wanted. Sorry!!! Fortunately I did get the help I wanted. I hasten to add that I am a Master Technician with a Land Rover Dealer, So I do know how and why cars work, but no one knows everything and the best way to find the answer is ask.Hope every one has a great Christmas and a fabulous New Year!!!! :D :D

Title: Re: vss loom damage
Post by Eddie on Dec 25^th, 2004, 4:20am

MERRY CRIMBO!

Monkfish, Have a look at the wiring going into the Lambda sensors,it sometimes gets worn through and shorts against the sensor body at the point of entry.

eddie