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(Message started by: kd2scorps on Dec 15^th, 2004, 8:50am)

Title: Traction and cruise control
Post by kd2scorps on Dec 15^th, 2004, 8:50am

Hi all,
I have a 2.0L 1995 Scorpio Ghia with traction and cruise control, but our 1997 2.3 L Ghia does not have either.

I feel very sure footed in the 2.0L at this time of year with mucky, wet, slippy and often frosty roads, even though the traction control only occassionally seems to need to kick in. I am using new Uniroyal 205 60 R15 tyres which seem to be very good in these less than perfect conditions.

The cruise control would be useful to help prevent points on the licence when going through areas well known for speed checks, etc., where the car may have crept a tad over the speed limit. It also just makes cruising on a journey so effortless.

I have recently acquired another 1995 2.0L Ghia for parts, and was wondering if it is possible to fit traction and cruise control from the donor 1995 2.0L to the 1997 2.3L car?

Has anyone done anything like this before?

Thanks,
Kev.

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by JohnJ on Dec 15^th, 2004, 9:06am

Somebody may correct me but it is strange to have Traction Control on anything less than a 2.9 Cosworth, I'm talking of the Scorpio.

All 2.3 Ultimas come with only ABS and Cruise Control no Traction

All 2.9 Cossies come with the TC.

but someone will come and talk some sence now because I'm probely not.

JJ

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by kd2scorps on Dec 15^th, 2004, 9:26am

Traction control is definitely on both the 1995 2.0L Ghias which I have, 1 is driving, the other is a donor car.

There is a switch beside the handbrake to disable it if you wished, there is a light on the dash to show when it is in use. The accelerator comes back hard against your foot when it kicks in as it automatically backs off on the throttle.

It has even kicked in before I realised the road was icy some nights.

When I am using cruise control on a wet country road, the traction control sometimes switches off the cruise control if I hit a muddy patch or a large pool of water.

Kev.

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by JohnJ on Dec 15^th, 2004, 9:32am

I stand corrected!

As far as I know TC uses the ABS sensors to sence wheel spin and a similar system to the CC to back off accelaration. so you would already have a lot of things needed to do the uprade.

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by kd2scorps on Dec 15^th, 2004, 9:40am

Looks good so far,
I thought the ABS sensors must be involved, I must have a look under the dash, behnd the steering wheel and glove box on both the 2.0 and 2.3L cars to compare what is different. I should also compare relays and fuses which differ.

Kev.

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by JohnJ on Dec 15^th, 2004, 9:44am

here a pdf of the tc motor

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/manual/fuel/TDIFuelInj.pd

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/manual/brake/TractionDescript.pdf

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by craig on Dec 15^th, 2004, 11:00am

for what it's worth,can also confirm on my 2.3 ultima traction IS fitted....

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by JohnJ on Dec 15^th, 2004, 11:38am

Lucky man!! ;D

I didnt get it, must have been a option on the others and the 2.9 got it standard.

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by craig on Dec 15^th, 2004, 3:03pm

think your right john,the only "options" were traction,and reversing sensors (haven't got them though,did retro fit them though),but glad of the traction,it has it's uses ;)

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by kd2scorps on Dec 15^th, 2004, 3:31pm

Thanks for the link to the pdf relating to traction control John.

Hi Craig,
do I understand your reply correctly, did you retrofit traction control to your scorpio?

Kev.

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by Richard on Dec 15^th, 2004, 3:39pm

No, Craig has fitted reversing sensors.

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by craig on Dec 15^th, 2004, 3:45pm

correct !! ;) ;)

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by kd2scorps on Dec 15^th, 2004, 3:48pm

I fitted reversing sensors too, it is brilliant, people look and wonder how you managed to park that big monster of a car so easily!
Plus it saves loads of repair bills!

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by mr._floppy on Dec 15^th, 2004, 5:06pm

KD2Scorps, tsk, tsk, are you a girly ?

Real men don't need reversing aids to enable perfect parking.

;)

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by craig on Dec 15^th, 2004, 5:33pm

lol....no THEY dont... :o

but a 5' 1" wife does.... ;) ;)

don't you dear :D ;D :) ;)

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by colinw on Dec 15^th, 2004, 5:48pm

must admit ive never really seen the need for rev sensors either ,i just reverse by ear ,when i hear the crunch i know i gone to far ,works at both ends as well !!

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by Eric_R on Dec 15^th, 2004, 7:09pm

Aha!
You'll be the silly parker that did my nearside rear door and wheel then !!

>:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by phuturephantasy on Dec 15^th, 2004, 7:30pm

For a cheaper version of parking sensors I have fitted some rather large old fashioned bicycle horns - you know the type with the large rubber bulb that you squeeze (clowns often have these also) - when I get within a few inches of any obstacle I get a gentle 'toot' to let me know when to stop.

I might take some pictures and put an installation process up later -

They are simply stuck to my front and rear bumpers - Fantastic Mod well worth doing - also looks really cool - Well almost !

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by colinw on Dec 15^th, 2004, 8:02pm

Eric
ive been called some names beginning with silly before
but never one ending in parker ,

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by Mmonster on Dec 15^th, 2004, 8:19pm

Hi phuturephantasy

You are so cool !!

;D

I will rip my sensors and replace the horns.

Mmonster

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by Paul B on Dec 15^th, 2004, 8:27pm

on 12/15/04 at 20:02:57, colinw wrote:

Eric
ive been called some names beginning with silly before
but never one ending in parker ,

He's such a nice, polite man.

Title: Re: Traction and cruise control
Post by Scorpioen84 on Dec 17^th, 2004, 8:42am

Traction Control standard on 24V.

DRIVER'S OPTION PACK
=Front Fog Lights, headlight washer jets, and Traction Control on 16V models. (Thats what i have.)

PARTIAL RAVEN OPTIONS PACK
=Recaro front seats, leather/cloth interior, wood/leather steering wheel.

LUXURY OPTION PACK
=Cruise Control, CFC-free Semi-Automatic air conditioning, and on Executive, electric sunroof.

CONVENIENCE OPTION PACK
=Electric rear windows with global closing from Jan 95, heat front windscreen with heated washer jets (not diesel), electric and heated door mirrors, centre console with padded lid, rear cigar lighter.

Thats the story about the scorp`s "duppeditts" as we call them in Norway.. ;o)...