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(Message started by: mjnewham on Dec 28^th, 2004, 4:51pm)

Title: Was broken cam chain now - electrical
Post by mjnewham on Dec 28^th, 2004, 4:51pm

Brief history of 95 reg 24v:

Cam chain broke, went to various garages for this to be identified (Dee's of Croydon said they couldn't look at the problem until the whole exchaust system was replaced).

A friend of mine (engineer) decided to help out; and we replaced:

2x Cam chains (all associated gears)
3x Exaust valves, and collars (damaged by chain breaking)
Loads of gaskets (to many to mention)
2x Belts

... etc and it goes one..

We got it all back together, and started it up (finally), only ot have an intermittent problem.. further investigation showed that the loom, from the injectors, back was in a very bad state - the insulation had hardened over the years and lots of wires where touching, so rather than repairing the old loom I decided to get a new one, after 2 weeks it arrived.

It took 2 days to get the old loom out, and a further day to get the new one in -- under the gearbox proved a particular problem. We finally got it back in and ready to go.

The problem.
No spark! all the cables and connectors look ok, the starter motor turns the engine over - but nothing.

It's been such a long time, but I need to check that the immobiliser isn't causing problems.

The key/fob opens/closes the doors ok. When locked the RED light on the top of the dash flashes ok - showing the alarm is ok?

Unlocking the doors, and the light goes out. BUT! when I try and start the car the RED light flashes really fast (continuously) - is this a problem or is this normal when trying to start the car (I cannot remember)..

Sadly I do not have the red master key mentioned in the drivers manual used for resetting the immobiser..

HELP!!!!!

Martin.

Title: Re: Was broken cam chain now - electrical
Post by mjnewham on Dec 28^th, 2004, 5:55pm

Ok, quick update:

Found the page where it details the flashing codes for the RED LED on the top of the dash..

After flashing fast for about 1 minute, it reverts to a 1:6 flash cycle with means..

"Faulty link between PATS module and EECV".

Quick question.. the connection between the PATS & EECV .. is that soley within the cabin or does it go through any of the loom in the engine bay (and through the two large square connectors on the l/h side of the engine??)

Martin.

Title: Re: Was broken cam chain now - electrical
Post by COSWORTH_PARTS on Dec 29^th, 2004, 9:39pm

sounds like what happened to mine now the wiring in the v of the engine will be shorting out the cars electric this happend to me so i know whats going on mate its a pain you nee to take the inlets off and the injector rails out and start rebuilding the wiring loom that you can see this is the only problem iv ever had with the 24 valve cars its a pain but get it right and you will be fine

Title: Re: Was broken cam chain now - electrical
Post by rickyfifer on Dec 30^th, 2004, 12:49am

hi i posted the same prob a few posts back too the red led should flash for aprox 3 seconds and then should go out if the system is working ok where did you get the loom from and what was the cost ford quoted me £1500 but the sell all looms as a package and not just the one you could check fuse 16 and 17 not sure if its in the maim or aux fuse box but this site has a owners handbook which is very useful.

Title: Re: Was broken cam chain now - electrical
Post by mjnewham on Dec 30^th, 2004, 12:08pm

on 12/29/04 at 21:39:44, COSWORTH_PARTS wrote:

Hmm, I have replaced the whole loom with a new one - but thanks for commenting.

Martin.

Title: Re: Was broken cam chain now - electrical
Post by mjnewham on Dec 30^th, 2004, 12:11pm

on 12/30/04 at 00:49:53, rickyfifer wrote:

I got the loom from Ford (£360) - a friend of mine but it in, not easy at all.

I'll check the fuses, thanks.. Martin.

Title: Re: Was broken cam chain now - electrical
Post by mjnewham on Jan 2^nd, 2005, 2:16pm

Just checked the #16 & #17 fuses, but they are both Ok..

Does anyone know where on the car the EECV is? I think the PATS is behind the glove box - but I can't find anywhere that tells me where the EECV is physically..

thanks, Martin.

Title: Re: Was broken cam chain now - electrical
Post by october on Jan 2^nd, 2005, 4:52pm

hi-pcm is behind the glove box.you will have to drill out three if i remember rightly pop rivets(top ones) to get the unit out of the security bracket.dont be to heavy handed with drill as you may damage the pcm...hth

Title: Re: Was broken cam chain now - electrical
Post by Lee on Jan 2^nd, 2005, 4:52pm

this is just a though but could it be the immobiser needs resetting, because all the keys are coded and you knocked out the code changing the loom
please note this is just a though and i'm not 100% sure
Lee

Title: Re: Was broken cam chain now - electrical
Post by mjnewham on Jan 2^nd, 2005, 11:04pm

on 01/02/05 at 16:52:37, Lee wrote:

Yeah, I read about resetting the immobliser - but I don't have the "Red" master key. I only have a single black key with a red marker.

Martin.

Title: Re: Was broken cam chain now - electrical
Post by Lee on Jan 3^rd, 2005, 1:47pm

fords can reset not sure the price but like everything else ford won't be cheap
Lee

Title: Re: Was broken cam chain now - electrical
Post by George on Jan 3^rd, 2005, 4:43pm

hi martin have you tried disconnecting the battery for a while cant remember for how long someone else on the site will be able to tell you then reconnect and try again i had the same fault with my 24v a few months ago with the pats light on the dash hope this helps

george

Title: Re: Was broken cam chain now - electrical
Post by Snoopy on Jan 4^th, 2005, 8:00am

Left disconnected for 30 mins should reset EVERYTHING back to default