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(Message started by: kskjon on Oct 13^th, 2005, 5:58pm)

Title: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by kskjon on Oct 13^th, 2005, 5:58pm

I own a '95 Scorp 2.0 16v, which I love, but my clutch has suddenly stopped working properly. The problem came suddenly while driving, without any prior warning.

When I press the clutch pedal, it acts like I'm only resting my foot on it. It does work to some minor extent, but just barely. Not nearly enough to do any good.
This makes it almost impossible to change gears.
The car is moving forward when in gear, and it changes gears perfectly with the engine off.

I checked the brake fluid container, and it is possible that the fluid level has become lower, but I think it was at this level before the clutch failure. It is still far from the minimum sign.

Where should I start looking for faults?

And btw. Where is the EGR valve located? I suspect that the valve won't close, and want to make sure.

- Kjetil

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by Octavian_P on Oct 14^th, 2005, 7:07am

First look at the clucth pedal, under it there is a travel adjusting screw, maybe it got loose and now it's causing trouble. I had this problem and it was verry hard to change gears, and when the first gear was engaged the car would make an impulse and mave foward a bit.

As for the EGR, we have a verry good search option on the bottom of the first page.

Try this
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q=egr&sp-a=sp100172f5

And to check you egr and clutch try this
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/faultfinds.htm

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by kskjon on Oct 14^th, 2005, 12:29pm

Thanks alot!

I will check this out.

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by Highlander on Oct 14^th, 2005, 9:54pm

Could your clutch need replaced??

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by kskjon on Oct 14^th, 2005, 11:24pm

Shouldn't that cause the clutch to slip, or make it difficult to change gears also when the car isn't running?

I didn't have time to check the screw today, but I will do it asap after a good nights sleep.

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by kskjon on Oct 15^th, 2005, 3:23pm

Octavian_P:

If you're talking about the screw located just below the master cylinder, the one which hits the padded piece of metal when the pedal is fully pressed, that screw seems to be nice and tight, and correctly adjusted.

Is there anything else that can cause this problem?

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by scorpio_man on Oct 15^th, 2005, 3:39pm

hi there

when did you last change the brake fluid?

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/faultfinds.htm

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by kskjon on Oct 15^th, 2005, 3:43pm

I bought the car in march, and I haven't changed the brake fluid after buying it. I have no idea what the previous owner(s) have done. So it can be anything between a year ago and never.
Is brake fluid changes a part of ford services?

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by scorpio_man on Oct 15^th, 2005, 4:35pm

hi there

should be changed every 2 years (i think).

hth

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by kskjon on Oct 15^th, 2005, 4:40pm

Me and my old man decided to have a go at changing the brake fluid tonight. Does anyone know approx how much brake fluid the system contains?

Will ofcourse be back with more info on how it goes.

My dad had a look at the clutch now, and found the clutch to be moving as it should (although not as much as it should). So he guessed on the fluid as well. Either that or the slave cylinder.

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by scorpio_man on Oct 15^th, 2005, 4:53pm

hi again

not sure, but i think i got mine done with 1 litre. :-/ mine's is an auto, though.
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/brakesmanual.htm

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by kskjon on Oct 15^th, 2005, 5:12pm

Thanks. I got hold of 2.5 litres now, so that should probably do it :-)

I checked those pages without finding anything specific about the amount needed. Also checked autodata without any luck there..

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by kskjon on Oct 15^th, 2005, 6:52pm

Hmm.. This is weird.

The brake fluid NEEDED to be changed. It seemed like it had turned almost dark greenish, and the new fluid was crystal clear.
But the clutch still won't move far enough. I'm pretty sure we got all the air out too.
I really hope it isn't the slave cylinder, since it doesn't look easy to change.

Btw..
I pulled the vacuum line on the EGR valve and re-fitted it. The car doesn't seem to chase as much now. Probably a leak in the vacuum line?

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by scorpio_man on Oct 15^th, 2005, 7:08pm

hi there

did you do the clutch as well?
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/manual/manualtrans/BleedClutch.pdf

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by kskjon on Oct 15^th, 2005, 7:19pm

Yeah, we did bleed the clutch.

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by howiedintheplace on Oct 15^th, 2005, 8:41pm

Hi
If your sure there is no air in the system then is it using fluid?
Does the fluid level drop when you press the clutch repeatly or over time. Can you see signs of any leaks?

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by kskjon on Oct 15^th, 2005, 9:06pm

We did bleed the system until no more air came out, and then some more, so I'm pretty sure we got the air out. If there's a leak, it has to be a SMALL one. haven't noticed any big signs of leaks. Will probably try to bleed the system some more tomorrow. It is too dark outside to do anything right now.

My biggest guess right now is dirt in one of the cylinders. The break fluid seemed pretty dirty. Perhaps something is stuck in one of the cylinders, preventing them from moving freely?

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by kskjon on Oct 20^th, 2005, 4:02pm

Got a brand new master cylinder for the clutch today (approx £110 incl VAT :().. And started to have a look at the old one. I got the retaining clip off, and the nuts off, but i can't seem to get to the pipes. And the cylinder itself doesn't seem to come loose.

My cylinder doesn't look like the one on the drawing (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/manual/manualtrans/ClutchMasterCyl.pdf)
My screws are placed above eachother, not next to eachother, and the front of the cylinder (where the pipes are connected) seems to go through the bulkhead.

Can anyone point me in the right direction on how to remove my old cylinder?

Edit: updated with correct link..

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by Snoopy on Oct 21^st, 2005, 2:25pm

The link yopu put up is to the clutch plate do you mean here http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/manual/manualtrans/ClutchMasterCyl.pdf ????
I also have to ask it is a "frogeyed scorpio"
or a granada?????

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by kskjon on Oct 21^st, 2005, 6:19pm

Oops.. my bad.. yeah, i meant the ClutchMasterCyl.pdf.. And yes, it's a "frogeyed scorpio".
1995 saloon.

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by kskjon on Oct 22^nd, 2005, 11:25am

This is what the (new) cylinder looks like:

http://gandalfs.mine.nu/kjetil/59L90055.jpg

The left part seems to go through the bulkhead, and the line from to reservoir seems to reappear on right in front of some fusebox (i think) at the top of the bulkhead. ???

Does anyone know how to get to the lines disconnected from cylinder?

Edit: Another typo..

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by kskjon on Oct 23^rd, 2005, 5:26pm

After searching A LOT in and around the engine bay, I found the line from the reservoir, and where it connected to the cylinder. The cylinder seems to show up behind what I believe is the brake booster (is this what it's called?).

Atleast, the lines are located behind the huge round thing behind the brake master cylinder.
(This is on the rear right-hand side of the engine bay.

Only problem is, both of the connections are covered in some silicone based compound, which is pretty difficult to remove.
And I can't see where the line to the clutch is going, although I can see the connection to the cylinder.

Any tips to how I can reach the connections/lines?

I'm hoping it won't be necessary to remove too many components.

OT
I need smaller hands..
/OT

Update:

Looks like all I needed was a bigger knife ;D

I got the d*** cylinder off now, and will get a new rubber line from the reservoir tomorrow. The connection to the clutch seemed to survive, so I'm thinking of reusing that.

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by Scorpioen84 on Oct 24^th, 2005, 8:06pm

Hvor i norgen kommer du fra foresten.? Bodø her...

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by kskjon on Oct 24^th, 2005, 10:10pm

Ålesundsdistriktet.. Antar du opprinnelig kommer fra østlandet et sted? La merke til at bilen din var AR-registert, som er Fredrikstad :-)

Min også har AR-skilter, men det er fordi jeg fikk skiltene stålet(!) i Halden, og fant ut at det var enklere å sette på nye.

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by Scorpioen84 on Oct 24^th, 2005, 10:40pm

Sorry about the OT & norwegian here, just saying hi... ;D

Opprinnelig Trønder, flyttet til Bodø for 1mnd siden... ;)

Kjøpte Scorpen på foretning å forrige eier bodde i Mo i Rana... Men er AR ja, 2tidligere eiere... ;)

Har du TC.? Gjort noe spesielt med den.? registerert på www.fastford.no ?

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by kskjon on Oct 24^th, 2005, 10:45pm

Har ikke fått gjort så mye med den enda. Kjøpte den av en forhandler i Molde som ikke var interessert i å gjøre opp for seg. (Fikk den med ødelagt topp + toppakning, ødelagte dempere, utslitte bremser, osv osv osv.. og nå clutchen..) Så vet ikke om jeg skal beholde denne særlig lenge. Men tro meg, scorpio SKAl jeg ha ;D
Da blir det nok oppgraderte dempere + fjærer, samt nytt luftfilter ihvertfall. Muligens også custom bodykit ;D
Hva slags TC har du?

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by Scorpioen84 on Oct 24^th, 2005, 10:53pm

Guess we must take it in Eng, from now... :)

TC - Traction Control... (antispinn, bare en type original)

I mounted the last 2 H&R sport performance springs on Friday... half the price as for Org.Ford`s... (Recomended)

I also need new rear dampers, one is leaking, and one is almost dry... :-/

AirFilter, ive got coned K&N-filter... (Also Recomended)

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by kskjon on Oct 24^th, 2005, 10:58pm

Ah.. THAT TC.. yep.. got it :-)
Thought you meant tuning chip :P

TC works like a charm. A BMW got stuck in a nearby hill last winter (ice + 15cm snow + rain), I drove up to him. Stopped. Put it in first, and floored it.. Half a second later, the scorp was going smoothly up hill again ;D

Title: Re: Clutch doesn't work properly
Post by kskjon on Nov 10^th, 2005, 12:29am

Now, for a little update:

I managed to somehow connect the new cylinder, and bleed the system, but it still didn't do any good. So I decided to bleed it some more, just in case. Yep, there was more air left. The clutch seemed to move more freely now. But then the car wouldn't start.. After much help from people on this forum (I can't thank you enough!), I identified that fault to be the battery. Swapped battery, and the car started.
And more importantly: the clutch worked!
Mostly, that is. There is stille some air in the system, but it is driveable.

Just wish to thank everybody who has helped me.

- Kjetil