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Title: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by craig on Mar 8th, 2006, 3:26pm after making contact with mike,i am now not so sure that my VNR has a problem,as mike's is now showing the exact same signs as mine (waiting for donnie to make contact now as well),does anybody else on this site know of anybody who has a vnr 9000 in there car?,we both think it now might be a satellite problem,and not a VNR fault....... can anybody else offer an input please ???.... |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by Baz on Mar 8th, 2006, 6:43pm Well I haven't had any problems with the travelpilot navigation and they all must use the same satellites? What is the problem Craig? Baz |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by craig on Mar 9th, 2006, 5:52am barry... when i go to navigate on mine it just pulls up pretty much a blank screen,the arow is there and moving with the car,all other funtions operate as they should perfectly...... if i go to map,it does exactly the same,just a "vague" looking map,but sometimes also a map that is in a rough location to the car,but not exact,now i thought it was the gps aerial,or possibly the disc (i have an original),or at worst the unit it's self (i did actually purchase a new gps aerial off of ebay, a magnetic one,but weather/health has prevented me from trying it out yet)but after a phone conversation with mike (you know the one),he tested his unit,and to my amazement it behaved in exactly the same way,mike tried various locations for the aerial,but no joy,mikes was working fine,as was mine,so i am baffled on this one,i know donnie (invernessguy) has the same unit,and i have posted an SOS so to speak to see if his is working as it should,but he has not been on here for a while..... PS mike has said his looks like you are driving under water (blue back ground),now our theory is all this points to a gps/satellite problem.. ??? PPS..heres a copy of the message i received from mike,sure he wont mind ;)....... Hi Craig Here's some news, following our conversation yesterday I connected up my VNR and its GPS aerial and guess what, mine is doing the same as yours. The direction indicator i.e. N NW S SE etc is showing red and despite moving the aerial to several locations and driving around last night and this morning it still refuses to pick up a signal. The map is showing but unless I was mistaken and was actually driving on the bottom of a lake it is definately incorrect. Now all was well the the last time I used it and I find it hard to believe that it has decided to now pack in. The signal indicator thinking about it won't ever show green as it is on a green background but will show as white when a good signal is received. Conclusion maybe a satellite problem. I think we now need to check with Donnie now as to the status of his. Mike |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by Baz on Mar 9th, 2006, 10:53am Is there a way to set these units up? I know when I sold the one from a galaxy a few months ago, the guy kept emailing me saying it wasn't working. I put him on to a guy off the galaxy forum who guided him through the initial setup proceedure of the unit. He had similar problems; half hearted maps, wrong position etc. There may be a similar proceedure for the VNR. Try asking in the mondeo forums. One other thing, have you got the reverse sensor connected up on both of yours? When I had one briefly in mine, I connected the wire up and it used to indicate on/off when in reverse. Found this pic of the reverse sensor wire on a mondeo forum http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/Bazunitec/1095668149-revsensor.jpg Also found this if anyone needs it....the instruction book in pdf format for the VNR9000 http://www.mondeo.hu/ftp/kezelesi_utmutatok/9000_vnr_uk.pdf Baz |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by scorpio_man on Mar 9th, 2006, 11:10am hi there page 28 talks about position adjustment. maybe this is a way to recalibrate the unit. :-/ |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by Baz on Mar 9th, 2006, 11:49am Another thing you may want to check is the vss wire. Make sure you are getting a signal. There is a checklist function on the VNR which lets you run a test sequence to make sure all the systems such as vss, antenna etc are all connected. Can't remember the key sequences, but I will see if I can find it again. It may flag up which bit is causing the problem if nothing else Baz |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by Baz on Mar 9th, 2006, 12:03pm If someone can do a good translation from german, this is the hidden menu thread!! http://forum.geo24.de/board/thread.php?threadid=1006533 |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by scorpio_man on Mar 9th, 2006, 12:41pm Hello dear VNR users. I am again on-line and bring along equal a small sensation. I had with my VNR various problems and for a long time, for a long time searched. Finally... someone.Moechte its NAVI calibrates correct?, the GYRO Einstelung uebergruefen?, or a correct government inspection department test and much, much more makes? Then loosely. VNR switch on. NAV key... if the warning notice come Joystick 2x press Joystick 1x menu upward to the right press Enter press everything are normal, but under attitudes a further service menu appears |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by - Mike - on Mar 9th, 2006, 1:20pm on 03/09/06 at 05:52:39, craig wrote:
Mike here, you know the one ;D What I was actually saying was that the map is working perfectly but due to the lack of signal the unit cannot place the vehicles position correctly. The lake statement was a joke as this is where it had positioned me whilst driving down the road ;) and repositioning the car on the map doesn't help either. The unit prior to ripping the dash apart worked perfectly now back in place the VNR works but will not recieve a signal despite relocating the GPS aerial in several different positions. I will just check that I have actually plugged it back in correctly, though I am sure I have. |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by scorpio_man on Mar 9th, 2006, 1:28pm hi there just a though. none of the wiring (aerial, etc) goes near the car's ecu? at derby '04, my sat-nav via my laptop stopped working. it was working fine outside the car before i'd left, but now no signal. turns out i'd tucked the wiring down the widscreen channel and down passed the ecu. i'd must have been getting interference as soon as i move the wiring away from it, it worked. :) |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by craig on Mar 9th, 2006, 3:13pm just found this as well regarding the hidden menu's VNR HIDDEN MENU'S (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Problems;action=display;num=1128775504;start=3#3) still looking into my problems though.. ??? |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by invernessguy on Mar 9th, 2006, 4:43pm hi craig, sorry, had no internet access for a while as i have moved house.. long story!! Anyway, i see you have found the system diagnostic info... i just read the thread quickly now, i will have another read of it, think about it at work later, and see if i can figure it out for you ;) I have had some contact with guys off the mondeo forum who have the same unit, and if i cant sort it for you, maybe they can? It points toward either cd or antenna, as far as i can make out... If you want another cd, just shout! also got info on a cheap aerial from maplin, like i made for mine. My aerial is on right of dash, to the right of sunlight sensor, never had any probs with signal, as it misses the heated screen. By the way? has this problem just appeared? or has the unit always been like that? If you go to the diagnostic settings, see how many satellites you can see... i normally have between 8 and 9 visible The diagnostic settings allow for micro adjustment of position, maybe a full system reset would fix your problem? will post again when i read the whole thread and think about it, donnie |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by invernessguy on Mar 9th, 2006, 5:00pm ok craig and mike, some more thoughts, before i go to work. try the hidden menus, and do a system test. this will check the antenna, speakers, etc, if all checks are ok, look and see what the signal strength is from the satellites, as well as the number of sats available if thats ok, it would appear that your antenna is ok. take the cd out and clean it, i know its obvious, but you never know! also if you have a cd lens cleaner, might be worth your while running it through... its worth trying the simple things first. mine has been working properly, although yesterday way the first time i had to use the nav in a week as far as plugs and cables are concernes, it may be worth pulling the unit out to see if any have come loose? there is only one way that all the plugs will fit in the back of the unit, so you cant possibly go wrong! try a music cd in the front cd player, to make sure its not faulty. there is also a recalibration on the vnr to reposition the car on the map, drive 200 yds, turn round, drive back... i use a quiet road, and a mini roundabout at 4am :D let me know how you get on craig, i wil have another think about it at work tonight, and also have a play with my vnr, to see what i can find.... donnie |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by craig on Mar 9th, 2006, 5:21pm donnie... great to hear from you,is yours working ok ? |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by - Mike - on Mar 9th, 2006, 5:28pm Just had a very quick go with the diagnostics menu (cheers chaps) and satellites visable no.s = 0 & satellites used = 0 but gps aerial passed. ??? Shall have a proper play tonight and who knows I might end up messing it up all together and have to buy a new one :-X ;) |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by craig on Mar 9th, 2006, 5:34pm exactly the same as mine mike ???.... going to try the new gps aerial i bought off of ebay LIKE THIS ONE HERE (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5874429893&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMERFB%3AIID&rd=1) over the weekend hopefully,and will report back,must admit though,this one is getting to me a bit... >:( |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by invernessguy on Mar 9th, 2006, 5:39pm ok mike, your car isnt in the garage is it? ;D hi craig, its GREAT to be back again im not sure what checks the vnr does to check the antenna, but if your not getting any satellites, there is def a problem there. mine is working fine, and in reality, if the poritioning satellites were not working, it would be headline news...... more multinational companies than i can think of would grind to a halt.... couries, parcel delivery, fleet companies, shipping, taxis, haulage, and the list goes on, not to mention all the tagged yobs with asbos and restriction orders !! try moving your aerial if its not too much of a problem, i cant see 2 members on here with the same problem at the same time, without it being simple?? donnie |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by - Mike - on Mar 9th, 2006, 5:52pm Hi donnie nice to have you back with us. No the car is on the carpark here at work and agree on the possiblity of a satellite being 'switched off'. I have been able to try the aerial in many, many locations as I am currently in the process of refitting the dash back and as such hadn't actually fitted it back properly from the strip down. Hence my reason for wishing to check that I had actually plugged in correctly :-[ but I'm very sure I did. BW Mike |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by invernessguy on Mar 9th, 2006, 6:22pm some gps antennas are better at pulling in the signal than others.... i know, because we use gps on taxis. although all the 'mice' look the same, and come out of similar boxes, some of the cars working with me have to fit them externally... while others can quite happily have them sitting on the dash, etc. I have mine on the rear parcel shelf, and sitting on the speaker gets reasonable signal, usually 6-7 sats. I have my vnr mouse on the dash as far right as poss, and as far forward as poss, and get 8- 9 sats, usually. Maybe u have a friday afternoon mouse? or was it working perfectly before? the satellites will be working properly, the problem is more than likely with your mouse, maybe calbeing, or plug... I hope, its not internal, as 2 faulty at the same time, does not bode well for me!! craig, if you have the other aerial, stick it in and try it, see what happens? even place it outside the car, see if it improves. another point is, possibly, sometimes it can take ages, and i mean up to an hour, for a gps system to initially find all available sats. it remembers what sats it saw, last time it was on, and looks for them again first, maybe if power was lost, it could lose that memory? just more ramblings, hope some of it made sense!! donnie |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by craig on Mar 11th, 2006, 3:33pm well managed to have a go at mine today,got my new aerial,tried it just about everywhere and still nothing,tried the old aeral again,and still the message came up as gps failed in the diagnostics mode.. ???,spoke to an audio repair service on the phone today,and they are having a look at it on tuesday for me,there pretty sure it must be a faulty conection on the gps aerial input as every other function works perfectly on the unit,let you know the results.... any news/updates on yours mike...? |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by - Mike - on Mar 11th, 2006, 8:10pm Still no joy I'm afraid Craig, no signs of life. :'( Hoping tomorrow weather depending to pull the unit out and re-plug the aerial back in. Bitterly dissapointed to hear that the new aerial didn't work. I am really baffled now as to what the problem could be. My unit was sold to me as NEW and I haven't had it that long and certainly have not used the NAV for a very long time, so what on earth could lead it have the same problem as you and at the same time really is a strange one :o Had a look at the diagnostics menu but couldn't really make anything out of any importance other than possibly the calibration which was set at -0.89% ??? Mike |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by - Mike - on Mar 14th, 2006, 1:18pm CRAIG....... I HAVE NEWS !!! I managed to eventually pull the VNR out again and remove and re-plug in the GPS aerial. Still no joy! I then removed the aerial once more and unplugged the power supply to the unit for a few moments. Reconnecting everything back and entering the code the aerial sprung back up into life showing white on the display and satellites visable = 6 , satellite used = 6, GPS passed - in the diagnostics mode. Presumably it needed resetting after not being in the car and powered up for a few months ? So one down one to go. Lets hope you have some good news soon as well Craig. Please keep us posted and remember if you need anything don't hesistate to call! BW Mike |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by Baz on Mar 14th, 2006, 2:23pm All you need now is an up to date disk!! |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by craig on Mar 14th, 2006, 2:49pm well dropped mine off today,told the guy no rush.that way i get to keep the spends a little longer.. ;D.... see what he says,and i'll let you know... mike,where did you place you aerial in the end? |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by - Mike - on Mar 14th, 2006, 5:19pm on 03/14/06 at 14:23:12, Baz wrote:
TRUE ;) only by the time they get around to releasing this 2005 version based on 2004 mappings in late 2006 we'll all have to supplement it with a copy of the latest £1.99 AA map from the supermarket. }{ Craig Haven't actually placed it anywhere yet! I just threw it on the dash for testing purposes. Hoping to place it against the n/s rear 1/4 glass eventually. Shall let you know if this position works. Mike |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by invernessguy on Mar 15th, 2006, 10:29am glad you got it working again mike! hope yours is an easy fix as well craig, donnie |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by - Mike - on Mar 20th, 2006, 5:23pm Any news yet Craig ??? |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by craig on Mar 20th, 2006, 6:45pm well theres a coincidence,actually heard from the guy today,the unit had a fault with the CD ROM,this has now been rectified,but he cant get a signal from the aerial as he is in a large metal building,so on thursday i am going over to taunton to plug the unit into my car,and hopefully will work ok,he did mention 1 thing,that he was sure 1 of the aerials was a "dud" because as soon as he plugged it into the unit,the unit shut down and re-started.. ???.... but the lens has been cleaned and re-aligned,the unit serviced,and we will take it from there..... more to follow later in the week,be sure to "tune in"... ;D |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by Paul B on Mar 20th, 2006, 8:45pm on 03/20/06 at 18:45:50, craig wrote:
If we can all get a signal mate, we will ;) |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by Baz on Mar 20th, 2006, 8:53pm Do you know the way to Taunton or will you need a map now?? |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by craig on Mar 21st, 2006, 5:29am }{...... and who said comedy was dead... ;) ;) |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by - Mike - on Mar 21st, 2006, 1:09pm Glad to hear it wasn't too serious a problem. :) Which aerial was a dud your old or the new ??? |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by - Mike - on Mar 25th, 2006, 2:40pm Craig and Donnie Have a look at this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-SATNAV-GPS-ANTENNA-FOR-Ford-9000-VNR-Navi-GT5_W0QQitemZ9701005844QQcategoryZ75327QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem might be of some interest. |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by invernessguy on Mar 25th, 2006, 3:50pm glad to hear your up and running agian craig, just out of onterest, how much did they charge you for the work on the vnr? donnie |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by craig on Mar 25th, 2006, 8:33pm hi donnie... the guy was a genuine top bloke,only chaqrged me £17.00 + the dreaded,have not fitted it back in the car yet,as very regretably we have decided to sell the scorpio,have seen it all working on the test bench though,the car sale is sadly a forced sale due to health reasons :'( :'( :'( :' we have decided to opt for a 4x4 is make access easier for me,when we have purchased another vehicle,i will let you all know,but just because i am forced to sell,you wont get rid of me that easily,i will still be on here inputting my vast ammount of knowledge ;),failing that i'll just continue to post a load of old tosh.... ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by scorpio_man on Mar 25th, 2006, 8:40pm hi craig sorry to hear that. make sure you stick around! take care. |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by craig on Mar 25th, 2006, 8:48pm thanks andrew... you bet your a** i will.. :),have always thoroughly enjoyed this site for what it is,friendly,helpfull and everything else that goes with it all,have met some great people on here,and forged some hopefully long term friendships,both me and amanda have discussed this in great detail,and have tried putting it off for the last 6 months or so (just had the car serviced last week as well.!!),but sadly what will be will be.. :'( :'( |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by Baz on Mar 25th, 2006, 9:09pm Craig....I am very sad to hear the news. I know you have been around on here as long as I have. Don't go b****ring off to one of the Chelsea Tractor Forums though will you? Take Care and pass my best wishes on to Amanda. If you need anything, just shout Baz |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by craig on Mar 26th, 2006, 7:31am Barry... like i said,a real tough call,but it's for the best,thanks for your word of support,and as ever your offer of help (must say you are genuinely willing to help out anyone,i think we ALL agree to that),will certainly keep logging in for sure,and pass on our best to "Mrs J" and little connor.. :).. |
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Title: Re: 9000 VNR.........AGAIN...!!!!!! Post by Paul B on Mar 26th, 2006, 7:43am End of an era Craig :( Obviously, I wish you all the very best too. But I'm glad you'll be sticking around :) |
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