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(Message started by: bootiful-scorpios on Mar 14th, 2006, 7:46pm)
Title: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Mar 14th, 2006, 7:46pm
there is a blowing chuffing noise coming from engine areawhen engin is under load, if u park up and rev the car it cant be heard from any where! would any one hve any clues as to what this is ? sally  :'( :'(
Title: Re: strange noise
Post by Highlander on Mar 14th, 2006, 8:52pm
Sounds like a cracked manifold  :-/
maybe a leak in the exhaust/cats?
Title: Re: strange noise
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Mar 14th, 2006, 9:00pm

on 03/14/06 at 20:52:02, Highlander wrote:
Sounds like a cracked manifold  :-/
maybe a leak in the exhaust/cats?
would the noise be there on heavy reving i took the revs high ? it do sound a little in that area when driving ,
Title: Re: strange noise
Post by Highlander on Mar 14th, 2006, 9:17pm
Yep, sounds like a manifold
Title: Re: strange noise
Post by Paul B on Mar 14th, 2006, 9:29pm
I recently replaced a cracked manifold on mine. It had gone pretty much right the way around it.

When the car was cold, it sounded like a tractor and the noise stayed the same when revving.
The noise only disappeared when the thing had warmed up and the crack sealed itself up.

Get yourself a small mirror to look up, down & around the manifolds to check them. Its tight for space though.

Cracked Manifold (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/PCBoulton/Manifold1.jpg)
Title: Re: strange noise
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Mar 14th, 2006, 9:56pm

on 03/14/06 at 21:29:53, Paul B wrote:
I recently replaced a cracked manifold on mine. It had gone pretty much right the way around it.

When the car was cold, it sounded like a tractor and the noise stayed the same when revving.
The noise only disappeared when the thing had warmed up and the crack sealed itself up.

Get yourself a small mirror to look up, down & around the manifolds to check them. Its tight for space though.

Cracked Manifold (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/PCBoulton/Manifold1.jpg)
 this is where it is weird no matter how hard i rev the car it cant be heard from out side at all , did urs start  off like that ? can only hear it whilst driving  
Title: Re: strange noise
Post by Paul B on Mar 14th, 2006, 10:05pm
Mine just started as a sort of chuffing/clacking sound. You could hear inside or outside the car though and it was just as noticeable on tickover as anything else.

I would say that if the manifold was cracked, the noise would be more evident when cold, as mine was.
Title: Re: strange noise
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Mar 15th, 2006, 5:05pm

on 03/14/06 at 22:05:33, Paul B wrote:
Mine just started as a sort of chuffing/clacking sound. You could hear inside or outside the car though and it was just as noticeable on tickover as anything else.

I would say that if the manifold was cracked, the noise would be more evident when cold, as mine was.

nope cant hear it only when driving cant hear while coasting down hill either only under preasure ?
Title: Re: strange noise
Post by DJWerkz on Mar 15th, 2006, 10:42pm
I would say that this is the problem I have with my car (I listed a post on 'Ticking Noise).

I find that the noise on my car is only evident wne driving and accelerating, it is not evident when standing on the drive revving the car.

I plan on getting down to STN's place soon, hopefully in April for him to check it,...see if I can afford some new manifolds/exhaust system if that is indeed the problem.
Title: Re: strange noise
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Mar 15th, 2006, 10:58pm

on 03/15/06 at 22:42:02, DJWerkz wrote:
I would say that this is the problem I have with my car (I listed a post on 'Ticking Noise).

I find that the noise on my car is only evident wne driving and accelerating, it is not evident when standing on the drive revving the car.

I plan on getting down to STN's place soon, hopefully in April for him to check it,...see if I can afford some new manifolds/exhaust system if that is indeed the problem.
it could be the same noise we are hearing as thats wot i keep thing may be its come lose at the manifold but  y cant it be heard on tick over could it be a gasket slightly gone so it only sucks in air underpreasure and thats when it make the noise ?
Title: Re: strange noise
Post by Octavian_P on Mar 15th, 2006, 11:21pm

on 03/14/06 at 19:46:56, bootiful-scorpios wrote:
there is a blowing chuffing noise coming from engine areawhen engin is under load, if u park up and rev the car it cant be heard from any where! would any one hve any clues as to what this is ? sally


Mine does that to, in my case is the flexi-hose that connects the pipe form the cat with the rest of the exaust, and also some "perforations" in the system.
Title: Re: strange noise
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Mar 16th, 2006, 6:16pm
the noise do go quiter when the car is fully warm  ;)
Title: Re: strange noise
Post by Paul B on Mar 17th, 2006, 6:24am

on 03/16/06 at 18:16:01, bootiful-scorpios wrote:
the noise do go quiter when the car is fully warm  ;)


So it could be a manilfold then...



on 03/14/06 at 20:52:02, Highlander wrote:
Sounds like a cracked manifold  :-/



on 03/14/06 at 22:05:33, Paul B wrote:
I would say that if the manifold was cracked, the noise would be more evident when cold, as mine was.
Title: Re: strange noise
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Mar 21st, 2006, 9:55pm
ive had the exhaust and manifold checked and double checked and nothing was found in that area  ???

the noise is gettin worse when first starting up on choke ,  to me it sound like a car with a exhaust about to drop off  ???    

i can also hear a matalic metal sound on turn over ,  there is no cam knocking noise ,

yesterday after they said there is nothing wrong with the exhaust  , i starting thinking wot an earth can it be so mabe head gasket  ??? so i quickly said can u do a oil and filter change  for me and they did, no water in the oil ! the oil change was on my list to do any way so another job done there . the only thing they did notice was that my radiator is leaking wot i alread did know about, thay said maybe it could be drawing in air on that and thats wot is causing the noise untill the engin get  warm !! could this be a possibility ???

its getting a bit frustrating being told nothing wrong at all a lovely sounding car !! i did think as well that if the oil was drained out the engin would be cold by the time they put the new oil in , but nope even then she didnt make her horrid noise ! i just thought typical  ,   >:(    
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Mar 21st, 2006, 10:30pm
:'( help  :'(
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by DJWerkz on Mar 21st, 2006, 10:37pm
Interesting indeed as I thought mine had a similar noise which I swear is exhaust related, although mine has not got worse,...yet!

Best thing is maybe give STN a call at Powercraft Engineering and maybe think about taking a drive to Devon for a weekend ;)  That's what I'm going to do with mine, saves all the speculation.
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Mar 21st, 2006, 10:49pm
i dont dear take the car to far at the mo  :-[  devon is miles from me ,(it sound horrid ) i do keep looking at the meets hoping there will be one quite close to home , so far i think kent is the closest , also i hve notice the car is losing a little power up hill , hve urs?
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by DJWerkz on Mar 21st, 2006, 10:59pm
I have some uneven idling at tick-over but I suspect that is down to some vacuum issues.  I need to get down to Devon just so I can get a final look-over from the expert ;)

Power seems OK, but I can say that the recent purchase of Magnacor spark leads made a big difference, but then my stock ones were pretty shot.
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Mar 21st, 2006, 11:07pm
thats  wot i was thinking plugs firing on 5 maybe till the car get warm but she idli fine not up and down at all , and ther is no jummpy miss when driving ,
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by Dave on Mar 22nd, 2006, 9:50am
I wonder if this could be something to do with the EGR valve at its connection to the exhaust manifold. Worth a look at least - its at the back of the engine, down at the drivers side exhaust manifold. Can you smell fumes on start up under the bonnet from that area?
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Mar 22nd, 2006, 4:38pm

on 03/22/06 at 09:50:37, Dave wrote:
I wonder if this could be something to do with the EGR valve at its connection to the exhaust manifold. Worth a look at least - its at the back of the engine, down at the drivers side exhaust manifold. Can you smell fumes on start up under the bonnet from that area?


hi dave  nope no smell of fumes from that area , i noticed today that matalic metel sound on start up sound very nasty  :'(  and i noticed there is quite a bit of water coming from the exhaust , would this be normal? as for the chuffing sound i think i can hear where its coming from but as soon as i get right close i realise its not from that part im normaly gd at location sound s but not this one ! any one got any clues ?
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by Highlander on Mar 22nd, 2006, 5:19pm
Metallic sound on start up could be the chains?
Does it do it every time or the first start up of the day?
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Mar 22nd, 2006, 5:23pm
1st start of the day , rest of day is ok
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by Highlander on Mar 23rd, 2006, 7:30am
Sounds like the chains, seperate problem from the other noise
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Mar 23rd, 2006, 10:12am

on 03/23/06 at 07:30:56, Highlander wrote:
Sounds like the chains, seperate problem from the other noise

[] the matlic sound is coming  right from the front ,

could it be the chain hitting something as thats wot im starting to think (im prob wrong )

will the chains be ok to be left alone at mo or will it cause damage to engin  if left a little while ?

is it a case where they get a bit lose?
and is this a norm for a scope ?
thanks for your help highlander  ;)
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by Dave on Mar 23rd, 2006, 10:43am
There is a known fault with one of the chain tensioners draining overnight. When the car is first started from cold is has to sort of refill with oil. This rattling, on mine at least, is worse when the weather is cold i.e. it seems louder and lasts slightly longer.

Has it only just started or was it doing it since you bought the car? Have you started parking the car on a hill? If you have to park on a hill then park nose down, it seems to help with the rattle.

How long does it rattle for?

Whether it is normal for a Scorpio is open for debate. Mine does it, hasn't got any worse and has actually got better with fresh oil of a suitable grade in it.

What oil do you use? There are right and wrong oils too!
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Mar 23rd, 2006, 10:55am

on 03/23/06 at 10:43:58, Dave wrote:
There is a known fault with one of the chain tensioners draining overnight. When the car is first started from cold is has to sort of refill with oil. This rattling, on mine at least, is worse when the weather is cold i.e. it seems louder and lasts slightly longer.

Has it only just started or was it doing it since you bought the car? Have you started parking the car on a hill? If you have to park on a hill then park nose down, it seems to help with the rattle.

How long does it rattle for?

Whether it is normal for a Scorpio is open for debate. Mine does it, hasn't got any worse and has actually got better with fresh oil of a suitable grade in it.

What oil do you use? There are right and wrong oils too!

we park nose down.

and yes it was on the car when we got it

yes it is worse when the weather is colder

it do the rattle for 2/3 seconds

the oil that was put in this week is called mobil it was for  high performance engins (used in racing engin) so i was told !
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by Dave on Mar 23rd, 2006, 11:00am
Sounds identical to mine.
I do the following which makes me feel better at least:

-never give is "gas" to start it, just turn the key
-I let it idle for a min or so before driving away
-go easy on the engine until it warms up
-change the oil regularly using a suitable blend

Someone on here asked a while ago who had, or knew anyone that had, a timing chain actually let go on them. There were not many replies.
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Mar 23rd, 2006, 4:23pm

on 03/23/06 at 11:00:12, Dave wrote:
Sounds identical to mine.
I do the following which makes me feel better at least:

-never give is "gas" to start it, just turn the key
-I let it idle for a min or so before driving away
-go easy on the engine until it warms up
-change the oil regularly using a suitable blend

Someone on here asked a while ago who had, or knew anyone that had, a timing chain actually let go on them. There were not many replies.

thanks dave you hve made me feel 100% better  :D i will do all ur tips on start up , as i understand it will give the oil more chance to get there and will help to avoid even bigger probs later,
so i will concerntrate on the silly chuffing /blowing noise as that one is doing ma head in lol  it still sound like a blowing exhaust 2 me! and its geting more prominant !!!! so hopefully it wont take to long to sus now today it did sound like almost under the engin at the back of it  some where ill hve to hve a gd listen tomorrow morning !
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by scorpio_man on Mar 23rd, 2006, 4:37pm
hi there

another thing to try is using the WOT relay.

**make sure your battery is in good condition, first**

switch on ignition. press throttle pedal COMPLETELY to the floor. now start. if the WOT is working correctly, the car will be fooled into thinking it's flooded and won't start. this will build up the oil pressure, so should minimize the rattle.

you might want to try this method out on a warmed up car first, as it won't be a nice noise if the WOT isn't working right!! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! ;D
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by Dave on Mar 24th, 2006, 10:43am
Just had another thought about your chuffing/blowing noise.

When you start mine up it has a similar- can't think why I didn't say before - just got used to it I guess - it sounds a bit sporty  ;D

Anyway, there is a join underneath the car. If you kneel down next to the drivers door you can see this join (same on passenger side I think), on my car it is not very well fitted. Think it is from or to the cat pipe, can't remember but the car isn't with me just now so bear with me.

This join leaks slightly when it is cold, I can see a tiny bit of water coming out of it for the first minute as it warms up (which would normally only be visible out of the end of the exhaust) and it makes a fairly loud blowing sound which is exactly like your typical exhaust leak.

When it has run for about 3-4 minutes the exhaust metal has got hot and expanded and it is completely silent - it really is a small gap on the join.

Could be you have this gap on yours but slightly bigger so it seals a bit as it warms up but not completely.

The pipe in question is only just behind the engine so you may well hear it from above - making you think it is in the engine bay.

Maybe something to look at on yours  :)

EDIT Just had a look at the exhaust manual on the main site - the join I am talking about is just after the cat which is in turn just after the mainfold as far as I can see.
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Mar 24th, 2006, 1:13pm
good idear to look for , and also drips of water as that would pos lead me to it.        hve the rad fitted to day the man doing this may find it as i told him to listen out for it , so hopefully..... i seem to be losing power as the days go on ..... :(engin wise :(
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Mar 24th, 2006, 9:27pm
hi guys just thought id let u know had the new rad fitted, and guess what i couldent hear  on the way home no chuffing / blowing noise  :D may be it was air coming in on the rad ......... hve to see how she sound in the morning ..............till then lol .................................
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Mar 25th, 2006, 7:43pm
the blowing noise was there again to day on start up today ,
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Apr 10th, 2006, 7:12pm

on 03/21/06 at 22:59:22, DJWerkz wrote:
I have some uneven idling at tick-over but I suspect that is down to some vacuum issues.  I need to get down to Devon just so I can get a final look-over from the expert ;)

Power seems OK, but I can say that the recent purchase of Magnacor spark leads made a big difference, but then my stock ones were pretty shot.

did you manage to take your car to devon for stn to look at ?
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Apr 10th, 2006, 7:16pm

on 03/22/06 at 09:50:37, Dave wrote:
I wonder if this could be something to do with the EGR valve at its connection to the exhaust manifold. Worth a look at least - its at the back of the engine, down at the drivers side exhaust manifold. Can you smell fumes on start up under the bonnet from that area?

dave what sort of fume smell come from the egr ? still got the prob and cant seem to find any 1  who want to take the job on lol
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by DJWerkz on Apr 10th, 2006, 7:23pm
Hi there,

Not yet, I called Bill last week and he is booked up solid for the next eight months!

He wants me to call back this Thursday to see if he can squeeze me in at some point.

I have a 'fumes' smell too; it's like exhaust gas and hot oil smell.
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Apr 10th, 2006, 7:41pm
they are what we are now starting to smell as well i just could not tell which 1 as i can smell both at diffrent times, and some times a little of both together, is your car a 2.9 like mine ? am also getting a bit of un even idling now on the car and i think u had this as well ? 
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by DJWerkz on Apr 10th, 2006, 8:27pm
Yes, 2.9 Cossie.  Had un-even idling since the re-fit of the replacement engine, that's why I want to get donw to Bill's.  He seems to think EGR,..not quite sure what exactly the problem is with the EGR though?!?!
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Apr 10th, 2006, 9:42pm
hve u found as the weather hve got a bit warmer the blowing in the mornings dont last quite so long ? and mine dont sound quite so loud on a warmer day , but i hve also started to notice it getting a little more noticible underload , like wot u discribed as a ticking / blowing in other post , i hve also noticed that on my egr the nut look shiny so im now lead to belive it is something to do with it , its a sod to get at though , even to try and see if its lose on a joint  :(
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by Dave on Apr 11th, 2006, 9:41am
Hi Sally,

its exhaust fumes, but not strong so I wasn't sure at first. When it happened on mine the car hadn't run for a while so I though that it was just burning off an old oil leak (bit of a mist from the cam cover gasket) or something, it wasn't immediately apparent.

Yours has got to be something to do with the EGR valve surely. Problem is its hard to get at. I actually took off the drivers side inlet manifold to sort mine out which helped access a lot.

HTH
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by DJWerkz on Apr 11th, 2006, 9:43am
So what exactly are the problems faced with the EGR?  Are they all fixable or is it a matter of replacing the EGR?
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by Dave on Apr 11th, 2006, 9:47am
With regards to Sally's problem:

It might be worth stripping down to change the EGR valve gaskets. The nuts in my valve were anything but shiny, totally rusted in fact. Yours being shiny suggests that it may have been off before you bought the car. If the gaskets were not replaced it could cuase the sort of trouble you are having.

Would this apply to your DJ?

Have a look at this picture:

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/egr24v.gif

The gasket as per above is item 5 which would be worth checking. Item 3 has a number of connections and would be a likely candidate to look at first.

EGR valves can and do fail but if you can smell fumes it does suggest to me at least some sort of leak.
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Apr 11th, 2006, 2:14pm
its the studs that sits in the manifold that look new.
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by Dave on Apr 11th, 2006, 2:20pm
Suggestion stands - mine doesn't look shiney, just thought it may indicate that someone has had the thing off in the past and maybe didn't renew the egr valve gasket.
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by trogg on Apr 11th, 2006, 6:13pm
all the simptons sounds like exaust. so all i can do is sympathies
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Apr 11th, 2006, 8:21pm

on 04/11/06 at 14:20:15, Dave wrote:
Suggestion stands - mine doesn't look shiney, just thought it may indicate that someone has had the thing off in the past and maybe didn't renew the egr valve gasket.

it dose yes  []
its got to be that as the exhaust is all fine been looked at enough lol even had cats checked so it dont rearly leave any thing else (i dont think),

unless there is hair line crack in the manifold what sombody said about earlier and no one can find it ,
car is now idiling a bit uneven and also tonight she was backfiring! and is starting to smell rich ,

also i m not sure if this is the norm or not but when u first turn car over to start her she revs up to 1500 revs and then drop down stright away (not touching throttle)?  
any way a new egr how much do they cost if it is beyond repair ?
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Apr 11th, 2006, 8:27pm

on 04/11/06 at 18:13:21, trogg wrote:
all the simptons sounds like exaust. so all i can do is sympathies

if only it was  :(, i know they cost a bomb but a least id hve peace of mind on that one ,  :( and be able to get it done ,  
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by DJWerkz on Apr 11th, 2006, 8:33pm
Well it certainly sounds like we both have almost identical problems and that the fault lies with the EGR system.

I just hope I can get Bill to take a look and maybe find the time to sort it while I'm there.  If he comes out with any new tricks when repairing etc. I will be sure to let you know ;)
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by Dave on Apr 11th, 2006, 8:34pm
Mine jumps up to 1250 revs (the first mark above "1" on the rev counter) then drops straight back to about 900-950 rpm, without touching the throttle. That is with a cold engine.

Warmed up, it jumps to just over 1500 but drops straight back to about 850 ish, didn't do the video for that long  ;D
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Apr 11th, 2006, 8:39pm

on 04/11/06 at 20:34:38, Dave wrote:
Mine jumps up to 1250 revs (the first mark above "1" on the rev counter) then drops straight back to about 900-950 rpm, without touching the throttle. That is with a cold engine.

Warmed up, it jumps to just over 1500 but drops straight back to about 850 ish, didn't do the video for that long  ;D

so that sounds about normal then , mine run at 750 when warm.
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by Dave on Apr 11th, 2006, 8:41pm
yeah thats probably more like it, can't remember just now but know its well below 1000
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Apr 11th, 2006, 8:47pm

on 04/11/06 at 20:33:26, DJWerkz wrote:
Well it certainly sounds like we both have almost identical problems and that the fault lies with the EGR system.

I just hope I can get Bill to take a look and maybe find the time to sort it while I'm there.  If he comes out with any new tricks when repairing etc. I will be sure to let you know ;)
 well i hope bill fit u in as i know how annoying it is , i dread starting her up in the mornings as i hate the blowing noise it make her sound horrid loud and nasty lol and its not a nice loud roar either  its horrid to hard to even discribe properly, hubby was listerning as i went of to work to day and he said he noticed it was louder in reverse gear  :o then when its in normal drive , hve u noticed this at all on ur car ?
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by DJWerkz on Apr 11th, 2006, 8:50pm
I've noticed a bloig sound especially on start-up and when my wife drove off recently in the car it sounded like it had a bad exhaust.

I hate having problems,...I get real anxious and want them fixed immediately,...hehehe
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Apr 11th, 2006, 9:01pm

on 04/11/06 at 20:50:43, DJWerkz wrote:
I've noticed a bloig sound especially on start-up and when my wife drove off recently in the car it sounded like it had a bad exhaust.

I hate having problems,...I get real anxious and want them fixed immediately,...hehehe

same hear on this one !
i think we def hve the same prob alright ,
i hate the blowing it make a lovely car feel ugly lol

hve a listen when ya wife put her in reverse to see if u get a slight change in the loudness, im now wondering if a good dinostic place would pick up on it as im thinking they will hve a rolling road ect ??? .........
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by sector-9 on Apr 11th, 2006, 9:03pm
If it's a metallic scraping type noise which increases with engine revs AND if you have an auto gearbox it could be the driveplate for the torque converter.

I had an old B reg Granada auto which made this awful scraping noise for ages, eventually it got really bad and shortly afterwards it lost all drive (though the engine continued to run).  I also couldn't restart the engine once I had stopped it.   Back then I knew even less about cars and I sold it thinking it would be expensive.  Found out shortly afterwards that the driveplate had fractured and finally sheared off it's boss so the crank was no longer connected to the gearbox or ring gear!

Would have been a (relatively) easy fix - even for me -  if I had known.  Shame because it was a nice car too...  >:(

Darren
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Apr 11th, 2006, 9:18pm

on 04/11/06 at 21:03:33, sector-9 wrote:
If it's a metallic scraping type noise which increases with engine revs AND if you have an auto gearbox it could be the driveplate for the torque converter.

I had an old B reg Granada auto which made this awful scraping noise for ages, eventually it got really bad and shortly afterwards it lost all drive (though the engine continued to run).  I also couldn't restart the engine once I had stopped it.   Back then I knew even less about cars and I sold it thinking it would be expensive.  Found out shortly afterwards that the driveplate had fractured and finally sheared off it's boss so the crank was no longer connected to the gearbox or ring gear!

Would have been a (relatively) easy fix - even for me -  if I had known.  Shame because it was a nice car too...  >:(

Darren
nope  >:( it sound just like a car with the exhaust about to drop off !! very hard to locate but its deff at the back of the engin , once it is warm it can not be heard on idile at all or on reving the engine very hard , but can be heard slightly underload  but uphill mainly  
i had a b reg granada in paris blue as well  prob would hve still had that  if it wernt for daughter lol she managed to hit a small fence scraping and denting the wing the passengers door the back door and the the boot pannel !!!! i was heart broken , it still only had about 83000 on the clock it was a 2.3 v6 i just look at the car  :'( and said u never do thing by half do ya !! lol glad i can laugh about it now though ,
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by sector-9 on Apr 11th, 2006, 9:38pm
The only other ideas I've got are a shattered cat (internally) or possibly a leaking boss that the HEGO sensor(s) screw into.

Darren
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Apr 11th, 2006, 9:42pm
some of the guys on site think its the egr ,
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Apr 11th, 2006, 10:16pm

on 04/11/06 at 21:38:06, sector-9 wrote:
The only other ideas I've got are a shattered cat (internally) or possibly a leaking boss that the HEGO sensor(s) screw into.

Darren
where on the car is the boss ? cant find any thing on site about it
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by DJWerkz on Apr 11th, 2006, 10:54pm
No, doubt very much it's the driveplate in the gearbox.
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Apr 12th, 2006, 4:18pm
[] to with that
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by sector-9 on Apr 12th, 2006, 11:56pm
The 'boss' is the threaded hole in the manifold or exhaust that the HEGO sensor(s) screw into.  Don't imagine it will be this but it's worth checking anyway...

Darren
Title: Re: strange noise getting more strange
Post by bootiful-scorpios on Apr 13th, 2006, 9:11pm

on 04/12/06 at 23:56:31, sector-9 wrote:
The 'boss' is the threaded hole in the manifold or exhaust that the HEGO sensor(s) screw into.  Don't imagine it will be this but it's worth checking anyway...

Darren

yep worth a look , thanks


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