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(Message started by: bizzay1 on Mar 31^st, 2006, 12:27pm)

Title: is it serious ??
Post by bizzay1 on Mar 31^st, 2006, 12:27pm

Story from the start - this morning, stopped at traffic lights I had a thudding/bubbling noise from the cooling system which seemed to pass after I got home 5 mins later. Checked under the bonnet and the fans were running but nothing else unusual, unloaded the car and went out again but after travelling about 4 miles stopped at some lights and the engine cut out, after a little while it started again although there didn't seem to be very much power and travelled another few hundred yards and the same again happened, started again and got it to a car park where I parked it up, lifted the bonnet and the only unusual thing I could see was smoke coming from the breather box at the back of the rocker box. (rubber grommet is split tho) went back later and it would appear to start ok although still "hot" so I've left it there while I seek advice (& to cool down, I'll get it tomorrow !), so over to you gents ??

It's a 97 2.3 auto estate by the way

Title: Re: is it serious ??
Post by Geoff_W on Mar 31^st, 2006, 6:44pm

UMM I guess we all went quiet and crossed ourselves.

Thudding bubbling airlock, whats your heater been like??

With the engine problem did you get any information from the dash, needles, lights etc?

What about oil and water levels, go on give us a clue ;)

Title: Re: is it serious ??
Post by music_master on Mar 31^st, 2006, 6:50pm

are you loosing any oil or water at all seem like you have a leak somewhere on the engine any water pipes split ??????

Title: Re: is it serious ??
Post by Highlander on Mar 31^st, 2006, 7:02pm

Aircon? a dodgy compressor can stall the engine try turning it on and off while the engines running just to eliminate that

Title: Re: is it serious ??
Post by nuttyscorp on Mar 31^st, 2006, 9:00pm

have a look around the plastic inlet manifold, particlarly the thermostat housing, you may well find a crack in that area.

Russ

Title: Re: is it serious ??
Post by bizzay1 on Mar 31^st, 2006, 10:32pm

been back to the car tonight, to pick a couple of things up, and have been thinking(it's been a bad week !!!). While I was there I started the car but it took a LOT of throttle and after I stopped it it wouldn't start again and was stinking of petrol.

No hints from dash/needles/lights BUT I did brake heavily approaching the lights, could I have tripped the cut off switch ??

ps - I tried my obd code reader and that returns NO CODES

there doesn't appear to be any coolant or oil loss, levels are ok and heater work(s)(ed) fine

Title: Re: is it serious ??
Post by bizzay1 on Apr 1^st, 2006, 12:59pm

Well, I've been back to it and it started but wouldn't tick over :( so I called on my friendly green flag man and he has diagnosed it as the head gasket gone :(

As I was 2 mins walk from my local fmd I popped over to enquire as to the cost - they want between 5 & 600 pounds for doing just the gasket, needless to say I got towed home and will try to find somewhere else on monday.

So in summing up the answer to my question is YES IT IS SERIOUS !!

Title: Re: is it serious ??
Post by Geoff_W on Apr 1^st, 2006, 1:16pm

Sorry to hear that.

Really puzzled at how dealers come up with these sort of figures. Is this eight hours labour and £40 for a gasket?

Title: Re: is it serious ??
Post by Baz on Apr 1^st, 2006, 1:30pm

I bought a new gasket set from a guy on EBay for my 24v and that only cost £20.00 + P&P he might well have a set for the 2.3. I bought mine for when I get the LPG fitted and the inlet manifold has to come off

This was my auction:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4623172529&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

Title: Re: is it serious ??
Post by trogg on Apr 1^st, 2006, 9:49pm

seems pricey for a head gasket

Title: Re: is it serious ??
Post by Baz on Apr 1^st, 2006, 10:54pm

What £20??

Title: Re: is it serious ??
Post by jonnycab on Apr 1^st, 2006, 11:51pm

There is a product called 'K-Seal' which is suppossed to stop any coolant leak & seal dodgy head gaskets permanently. It is made in USA (but available here) & was apparently developed for the Rover MGF which always blows head gaskets. If you put this stuff in it is suppossed to seal the whole system forever !!!
Usually £9.95

Title: Re: is it serious ??
Post by paulscorp on Apr 2^nd, 2006, 5:33am

I think he was talking about the 5-600 squid Baz lmao ;D

Title: Re: is it serious ??
Post by Mickey_2.9 on Apr 2^nd, 2006, 7:27pm

on 04/01/06 at 12:59:15, bizzay1 wrote:

I would get a sfiff test done on it before you have the head removed just incase it is not the head gasket. Have you topped up the coolant and checked for leaks? Water pump, hoses, rad etc.

Title: Re: is it serious ??
Post by bizzay1 on Apr 2^nd, 2006, 8:29pm

on 04/02/06 at 19:27:18, Mickey_2.9 wrote:

I would get a sfiff test done on it before you have the head removed just incase it is not the head gasket. Have you topped up the coolant and checked for leaks? Water pump, hoses, rad etc.

the green flag man topped the coolant up and it just spat it right back out again thats what led him to diagnose the head gasket, I have found a small independant garage that advertises as "ford specialist" I'll give him a ring tomorrow and see what he says

Title: Re: is it serious ??
Post by Mickey_2.9 on Apr 2^nd, 2006, 9:25pm

oh I see. Well good luck, I hope they fix it ok for you without costing to much.

Title: Re: is it serious ??
Post by jonnycab on Apr 2^nd, 2006, 10:31pm

Have you checked the water pump?, the impeller could be broken which would stop water being pumped around and this could cause alot of bubbling I would imagine.
P.S. A new water pump cost me £45.00 from my local auto shop.

Title: Re: is it serious ??
Post by Annelk on Apr 7^th, 2006, 8:32am

reading your first post, it could be a sticking closed thermostat.... does the top hose stay cold with a hot block? the engine will probably be lacking power/pinking and difficult to keep running if it gets well overheated...... mine was! My head gasket seems to have survived, hope yours has too...