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(Message started by: adowds on May 4th, 2006, 9:13pm)
Title: Can't code remote
Post by adowds on May 4th, 2006, 9:13pm
Like it matters... (see my OD flashing post)

But I got my new remote in the post today and I can't code it. The 'swtiching on and off three times' procedure doesn't provoke any reaction from the car - i.e. no beep. Anyone know why?

Do I have to be using the master key for this? Because I ain't got one - the car came with one non-Ford chip key. It's booked in with Ford for new keys next week.
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Matt on May 4th, 2006, 9:23pm
Hey

on the main site it says this

"With the key in the ignition, turn the ignition on to the I position, then off and then again three times, then once more and leave it at I. A beep will sound showing that the system is set to program."

to me that says to the on off bit 3 and a half times?


i havnt heard of this on the site but maybe the unit that beeps has failed? i dont know if it's the same unit for the headlights on, not in park beebs
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by adowds on May 4th, 2006, 9:35pm
Aye, I printed it out and sat in the car for half an hour trying every possible permutation I could think of.

Does it mean position '1' as printed on the switch. I.e. one click from the key out position? Or one click further in - i.e. when the dashboard lights up.

I think I tried both of those. No beep.
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by sector-9 on May 4th, 2006, 10:54pm
On mine you put the key in (pos 0) and turn to pos I then back again.  On the third turn to pos I leave it there and you should hear a chime.  Press the 'lock' button on the remote (or is the 'unlock' button?) and it will chime again.  Finally, turn key back to pos 0 and it will chime one last time.  The remote is now programmed to the car.

Darren
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by adowds on May 4th, 2006, 10:56pm
Will try again. Couldn't get a chime at all...
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by adowds on May 4th, 2006, 11:37pm
Nah, still doesn't work. Did you use a Ford chipped key? Is it possible that a copy key won't give you the chime, i.e. won't let you code new remotes?

Perhaps Ford Dealer can sort it when they code new keys next week (if the thing will run).
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by sector-9 on May 5th, 2006, 8:35pm
Mine is the early diesel Scorp so doesn't have PATS or coded keys.  Just uses a remote to switch alarm on/off and do the central locking.

Darren
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by fordcos on May 6th, 2006, 9:14am
just done mine had to turn the key to possition 1   4 times took several atemps to get the chime
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Zombie on May 6th, 2006, 9:18am
If the cars battary is low/broken, the alarm system shuts down.

This could cause the problem you are having.
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by adowds on May 6th, 2006, 4:30pm
Nah, battery is fine, starts a treat every time.

Does anyone know if any key that will start  the car will also allow this remote coding to take place?
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by trogg on May 6th, 2006, 6:06pm
the wa i understand it it neeeds to be done with the red key. i am trying to track down the red key for mine as i only have one key.
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Matt on May 6th, 2006, 6:12pm
i did mine today after reading this topic

it chimed on the 4th time turning it on to (and leaving it there)

you have to turn the key quite quickly (i used the black key with the red dot)

then i pressed the unlock button and it chimed again
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by adowds on May 6th, 2006, 6:13pm
That would certainly explain my troubles. Haven't got a red key...
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Snoopy on May 7th, 2006, 7:57am
It does not require a red key  to programme the remote. Just a key programmed to the car with the red patch on it .
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by adowds on May 7th, 2006, 8:44am
The (only) key I have is a non-Ford aftermarket one which has a chip inside and starts the car but hasn't got a red square on the end.

It's booked in with Ford to get new keys cut and coded this week, perhaps it will all work then. Perhaps I can also persuade them to do the remote at the same time without charging an extra £50...
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Snoopy on May 7th, 2006, 9:51am
Well if that is the case then the PATS is inoperable! but I suspect that someone has taped an key with the chip in it somewhere near the ingnition lock .... I would remove the cover on the steering wheel to check.... ALL the Scorpios had PATS and thereby require a PATS coded key to start it.
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by adowds on May 7th, 2006, 10:20am
No, the key has a chip inside it (it unscrews and you can see the wee cylinder inside).

Also, I got a (non-chip) key cut from it, and that opens the doors but doesn't start the car (it fires then instantly dies).

So the PATS is all okay I think. Just can't provoke this bloody chime!

Will try again today...

Cheers!
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Spannerdemon on May 7th, 2006, 10:46am
Just done this myself as my remote went pear shaped on Tuesday.
Took the remote apart and cleaned the contacts using some tape-Head cleaner as advised.
Put it carefully back together again with two brand new batteries Lithium CR2016.

Cleaning the remote is really easy, so don't be put off by doing it.

Went out to the car with my normal key (not the red master), turned the ignition to position 1 three times, and then on the 4th turn left it in this position. Chime sounded.
Pressed the UNLOCK button on the remote. Turned the ignition OFF again and waited for a chime. That's it......all done.

Batteries were £1.00 each (Sony) from my local Car Boot. BEWARE of big electrical retailers who want to charge you about £3.75-£4.75 EACH for batteries!!

Thanks again to this BRILLIANT site for yet more help from the Main Repair index.

:D ;D
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by adowds on May 7th, 2006, 7:08pm
Does the chime happen when anything else happens? i.e. is it the same chime for leaving the headlights on with the ignition off and door open? Or leaving the gearbox in D?

Because I don't get any warning chimes in the car at all. Perhaps my 'chimer' is broken/disconnected?
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by meg on May 7th, 2006, 7:30pm
hi      scroll down to reply 20 to check central timmer moduler 4 chimes .http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Problems;action=display;num=1143925151;start=15
hth
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by adowds on May 7th, 2006, 8:24pm
Ace, thanks for that. WIll give it a go.

Bloody hell - how complicated is this car! "Central timing moduel diagnostic procedure". Sounds like something off the space shuttle...
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by adowds on May 8th, 2006, 11:31pm
Nope, no chimes at this test point. Checked the fuses and relays and nothing too obvious has appeared.
Where is this unit? Could it have failed?
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Mummra on May 9th, 2006, 8:04am
Hi the Central Timer module is below the steering column, accessible behind the drivers side lower crash pad panel.

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/manual/electrical/auxwarnsys/centraltimermod.pdf

I also have a spare module if you need one.

Dave
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by adowds on May 9th, 2006, 9:01am
Cool. I guess there's no test procedure for it other than to swap for a known good one?

How much would you like for your module?

Al
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Mummra on May 9th, 2006, 12:00pm
PM Sent

Dave
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by chris_d on May 9th, 2006, 10:27pm
hi i had this trouble with my 98 one it went to fords to have it looked at thay said it was the central control timer (the box that bongs near the steering column) got second hand one from breakers still not working it turned out to be the central control module that was at fault (the black box on top of the ecu behind the glove box) i've got a spare of both i will sell if you need them cheers chris
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by davem on May 12th, 2006, 4:07pm
On my Cossy. Programming the FOB was always different to any instructions. I simply place the key in the ignition (no need for master key to program FOB), then turn ignition to position one, then press the unlock keyon the FOB. I also found it doesn't work if the batteries are inserted the wrong way round   :D. This is not intuitive in the manual either, but with them the right way round, the above proceedure works everytime.
Dave
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Baz on May 18th, 2006, 8:49am
This might be a long shot, but have you checked that it is the right remote? There were actually two made for Scorpio. The one most people have is the            95GP 15K601 AB but there was one made for the 10/1994 to 04/1995 built cars which has the number 95GP 15K601 AC. I am not sure if the two are compatible or not but it may eliminate another possibility

Baz
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by adowds on May 18th, 2006, 8:53am
Well. Finally got it working yesterday. Still no chimes - that's why I thought I wasn't entering any mode. And I've had the dash on and off, CCM and another wee box (stereo remote?) in and out, so perhaps I've knocked a loose connection back in. Batteries seem a little weak in the fob, I'll change these.

It is a 'stealth' locker though, isn't it? No LED on the fob, no indicator flash, a quiet lock motor sound. Did I read there's a computer update to turn the indicators on? Is this a Ford dealer job?

Did all Scorpios have an alarm?
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Atlantic_blue on May 18th, 2006, 9:09am
Yes all Scorpio's had alarms & yes to main dealer having to program indicators to flash upon locking the car.
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Dave on May 18th, 2006, 9:52am
Ford can program the indicators to flash, standard charge of 1 hour on the WDS, cost me £76 a few months ago.
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Spannerdemon on May 18th, 2006, 10:12am
So what do THEY do that we can't do?

Only interested. Personally I couldn't care less whether the indicators flash or not, and at  £76.00 I certainly won't be bothering to have it programmed. The car locks and unlocks, and the alarm is set. that's all I need.
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Dave on May 18th, 2006, 10:17am
Don't know the full capabilites of the FDS/WDS systems. Baz has just bought a FDS system from eBay so guess he would know more.
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Baz on May 18th, 2006, 7:03pm
The FDS I have is the predecessor of the WDS and is a very powerful piece of kit. Yes it can do the nice little daft things like programming the boot to open when the engine is running and flashing indicators, but it is also a fully engine and all systems diagnostic tool. It can diagnose problems and identify faulty parts and recommend replacements etc.

I have a play with it yesterday and it even tests all the windows, seat positions sensors and everything. Walking round the car with the seats moving and windows opening and closing on their own was a sight to behold. Not 100% portable though as it only loads a particular diagnostic routine from the base station which is then run on the car and downloaded back at the base station.

Good fun though and more fun than a ford dealer doing it!
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Dave on May 18th, 2006, 7:05pm
Can I come round and play?  ;D
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by micky5 on May 26th, 2006, 3:17pm
can u tell me which way the batterys face in the remore please ty
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Snoopy on May 26th, 2006, 3:29pm
See http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/handbook034.gif
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by podge on May 29th, 2006, 12:25pm
I have tried all the methods shown to try and get the remote to work - I get the chime when I the key 3 times and then press the unlock on the remote, I get another chime and turn the key back - But it  refuses to not lock/unlock the doors.
I have new batteries in the remote and the car battery is fully charged.
I have been comparing the resistance on the car remote and a tv/vcr remote and both show the same at 500 ohmes.
I have just about tried everything - can anyone suggest any further solutions that may resolve it.
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by adowds on May 29th, 2006, 1:09pm
Are they the correct remote batteries? In the correct way?

Has the remote ever worked? I believe there's a page on the main site about stripping the remote and renovating the buttons. May be worth a go?


Here's the link.  http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/remote_repair.htm
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Baz on May 29th, 2006, 2:34pm
If you have tried everything, the only thing it can be is a duff remote, can you meet up with someone who has one? where are you in the country?

Baz
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by podge on May 29th, 2006, 4:02pm
Thanks for your replies Adowds & Baz,
Batteries are in the correct way, also double checked with multimeter, the remote has worked before but was getting that I needed to press hard,
I live 10 miles East of Warrington.
At the moment Iam unable to drive due to a recent knee replacement, but hope to be at the wheel again in 2/3 weeks time.
PS, What I can`t understand is that the buttons must be working to get the chime to tell you that it is set, right head scratcher this one.
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Baz on May 29th, 2006, 4:16pm
Well I am only in Warrington so if you want to PM me, I can come round with a few spare remotes and the FDS unit (checks remotes as well as everything else!)

Send me a pm with your address and I will try and get over this week sometime...before I go to Norfolk on Thursday, if not next week

Baz
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Mummra on May 29th, 2006, 5:48pm
I had trouble programming my remote over the weekend, took about 3 or 4 attempts to do it. What I can say is that if everything has worked coorectly you should get 3 chimes in total. one when you've set the ingition correctly, one when you press the unlock button on the remote and a third chime when you turn the ignition off. once I had all 3 chimes then my remote worked coorectly.

Dave
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by podge on May 29th, 2006, 7:36pm
Many thanks for your replies, Baz I have your E-mail and will contact you when you get back from Norwich.
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Baz on May 29th, 2006, 8:36pm
nop probs. I am back on Saturday
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by podge on Jun 7th, 2006, 1:17am
Hi Baz,
I have given up on repairing the key fob, and I have managed to get a brand new one including batteries for £30-00, little cheaper than the main dealer at £100-00,
now all is working fine.

podge.
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by Baz on Jun 7th, 2006, 7:46am
No worries...glad it is all working now.


Baz
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by deconick on Jun 7th, 2006, 4:43pm
just turn key to position 1 and press the lock button on remote hey this worked with mine
Title: Re: Can't code remote
Post by JS_Russell on Jun 11th, 2006, 5:35pm
Mine re-codes either by using any key that will start the car and doing the turn the key to position 1 three times and press unlock or turn key to position 1 and press unlock Best of luck


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