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(Message started by: Scorpioen84 on Jun 18^th, 2006, 12:04am)

Title: Spark plugg's 2.0 wierd looking
Post by Scorpioen84 on Jun 18^th, 2006, 12:04am

Ive been silent on the forum for a while now, scorp is behaving beautyful...

I finaly got around to buying a 16mm so i can change the plugs, but the new pluggs looks different...

Old once, flat and a metallic 'seal' before the threads...

New once, coned before the threads, and (ca)5mm longer...
I guess its "performance" or "platinum" pluggs... But sholdnt the new once be flatt to.?

Its almost a Year since i bought the plugs, and i know i said scorp 95 2.0 16v... Any thoughts?
Old once needs to be changed, but i didnt dear to try the new once.....

(again, sorry about my english, ask if something isnt understandable.)

Title: Re: Spark plugg's 2.0 wierd looking
Post by scorpio_man on Jun 18^th, 2006, 3:19am

hi there

what make/model of the new plugs?

check them here.... http://www.sparkplugs.co.uk/

DON'T USE THEM UNTIL YOU CONFIRM THEY'RE OK, 5MM IS QUITE A BIT LONGER! :(

NGK PFR6B
Denso IK20.
Champion RC8PYP
NGK BKR6EIX
NGK BKR6EVX
Champion RC8PYCB
Champion RC89PYC
Champion RC87PYC
Champion RC89TMC
Champion RC9BMC
Champion RC8MCC
Champion RC8YCL
Champion RC9MCC4
Champion RC8TYC
NGK BKR6E
NGK BKR6ES
Champion RC89YCC
Champion RC87YCL
Champion RC8YCC
Denso K20PR-U
Champion RC8YC
Champion RC9YC

hth

Title: Re: Spark plugg's 2.0 wierd looking
Post by Scorpioen84 on Jun 18^th, 2006, 10:18am

Denso - PT16VR13 (5068 ) same number on the box and the plugs...

http://www.meteor.com.ua/main.php?w=denso_new_eng&num=PT16VR13

But when i gooogled the number it mostly came up with Fiesta...

Title: Re: Spark plugg's 2.0 wierd looking
Post by Spannerdemon on Jun 18^th, 2006, 1:18pm

An extra 5mm is enough to smash into your pistons with HORRENDOUS results!!

Like Scorpio-Man says. Don't use them until you are 100% sure!! :o :o :o :o

Title: Re: Spark plugg's 2.0 wierd looking
Post by Scorpioen84 on Jun 18^th, 2006, 4:55pm

no worries, ordered new rear brembo-brakes witch comes on Thirsday, so getting it sorted then.

New brakes, plugs, oil, complete wash inn&outside... ;D

Title: Re: Spark plugg's 2.0 wierd looking
Post by sector-9 on Jun 19^th, 2006, 11:12pm

Wrong spark plugs. There are two common types: One has a flat sealing edge and a compression washer to make the seal; the other has no sealing washer but has a conical seat. The two types are not interchangeable and must match the mating face on the cylinder head!

The conical seat plugs were used on the older Fiestas and Escorts (small engines), whereas the washer type tend to be on the bigger engines like those in the Sierra.

Darren

Title: Re: Spark plugg's 2.0 wierd looking
Post by Scorpioen84 on Jun 25^th, 2006, 3:37pm

sorted now, i had gotten plugs for a mondeo... :-/
Scorp plugs chosted twise as mutch.. 78gbp for 4 pluggs... :o

New problem, i cant get the inner coil of.! the screws are thightened to mutch.!
tryded with cold and heated engine, but they are just stuck.! :(
broke my torx to.... Any ideas..?

Driving with 3new and 1 old plugg cant be ideal..?

Title: Re: Spark plugg's 2.0 wierd looking
Post by scorpio_man on Jun 25^th, 2006, 3:47pm

hi there

try a bit of wd-40 on the bottom of the coil pack using the straw.

re cost of plugs. should be more like £30gbp! only good point is they last 30,000 miles.

Title: Re: Spark plugg's 2.0 wierd looking
Post by Scorpioen84 on Jun 25^th, 2006, 4:03pm

had to check it now... ;D 810 / 12 = 67gbp for the plugs...
It is platinum plugs, "long lasting"...

And i had to reinsulate the wires inn to the first coil... por scorp is getting old... :(

wd-40 here i come again.... ::)

Title: Re: Spark plugg's 2.0 wierd looking
Post by jonnycab on Jun 25^th, 2006, 11:26pm

Try to tighten the screws slightly, when you feel or hear a crack then the seal is broken & they should undo nicely. :)

Title: Re: Spark plugg's 2.0 wierd looking
Post by mr._floppy on Jun 26^th, 2006, 12:38am

I had this problem too, the torx screwheads were way overtightened and refused to come off with subsequent damage to the heads.

Solution ?

Just get a hacksaw, and cut a groove across the heads and remove with a proper bladed screwdriver.

Just why do Ford bother with Torx at all ?

Title: Re: Spark plugg's 2.0 wierd looking
Post by Scorpioen84 on Jun 28^th, 2006, 12:02am

I tryed the thighten to crack the seal trix today, i cracked, butstill to thight, and then the bloddy torxscrew endet up as just a hole without torx rills... (sorry about the choice of words here, did'nt know how to ekspain it better ::) ) They are like butter.! >:(

So tomorrow i guess ill gett the hacksaw....
If that does not work i guess ill just cover up the engine and drill off the head....
BTW, does'nt aluminium xpand by heat.? (since the "heated engine trix" didnt work eather.. :P )

Title: Re: Spark plugg's 2.0 wierd looking
Post by jonnycab on Jun 28^th, 2006, 12:48am

With good quality properly fitting tools & a decent ratchet then they should have come out :)
If they are so tight that they cannot be removed then a hacksaw cut & flat blade screwdriver still might not release them.
A Tap & Die kit will get them out, but you will need new bolts when re-fitting :)