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(Message started by: allenjames on Sep 4^th, 2006, 12:29pm)

Title: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by allenjames on Sep 4^th, 2006, 12:29pm

Ok, just went to lunch.

Central locking opened ok.

Key in ignition and turned to start - starter fired then nothing.

dash panel display and gauges all dead - starter dont start.

all other electrics work fine as far as i know.

anyone ?

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by 2tired on Sep 4^th, 2006, 1:32pm

Something similar to this happened to me in the past after the car was unused for a period of time and the battery was low. Turn the key and then nothing.........but the lights still worked.

Try disconnecting the battery for an hour and reconnecting it. Don't know why it worked but it did........maybe a sticking relay.

Hope this helps
KL

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by Simmo on Sep 4^th, 2006, 1:43pm

Look HERE (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/faultfinds.htm) and go through the list to see if the symptons match.

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by allenjames on Sep 4^th, 2006, 2:06pm

None really match.

checked the electrics and found the following.

The circuits work that dont require the ignition in the accesory or ignition on position.

basically the radio works, the sidelights work - everything else is dead.

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by allenjames on Sep 4^th, 2006, 2:28pm

checked with multimeter and no voltage is present at the back of the ignition switch.

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by allenjames on Sep 4^th, 2006, 3:37pm

Anyone got any further ideas ?

I have a Saab technician, Skoda technician and Alfa technician all looking at it scratching their heads.

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by allenjames on Sep 4^th, 2006, 6:23pm

Ok, my 3 monkeys took the main fusebox out to check connections/etc.

On refitting they found the Ignition Lock fuse blown.

Replace Ignition Lock fuse and the car starts ok, dash back to life.

However, not the headlights dont work (rear lights ok), indicators wont work, wipers wont work.

Anyone got any pointers on this one ?

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by Highlander on Sep 4^th, 2006, 7:08pm

The fusebox multiplug isnt seated properly ;)

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by allenjames on Sep 4^th, 2006, 7:19pm

Ok, tried the multiplug thing, it wasnt seated properly.

However, now it is seated properly and the car starts, sidelights, wipers, indicators all work.

If I put on the headlights, they dont work and when I turn the ignition off, the car still runs without the key in the ignition until I turn the headlights off.

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh - my poor head !

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by Highlander on Sep 4^th, 2006, 11:41pm

Did your guys have the fusebox out the car?

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by allenjames on Sep 5^th, 2006, 6:59am

They did have the fusebox out of the car yes.

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by Spannerdemon on Sep 5^th, 2006, 8:08am

Check back from the fusebox for wiring damage or corrosion.

Had this on my wife's MR2 recently. Running with the key out. Thought it was the Alternator or Ignition switch. Spent hours and hours looking for the cause.
The problem turned out to be a whole chunk of the wiring down behind the fusebox which was green, corroded and almost welded together. How water gets into plastic sheathed wiring I don't know....but it does!

Fusebox seems most likely but do check the wiring under it.

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by allenjames on Sep 5^th, 2006, 8:37am

The fusebox was mint when they took it out yesterday - no water or corrosion at all.

They did however have a poke around between the layers.

He is checking connections this morning to see whats going on.

The lights do come on for a brief second before going off, main beam works fine.

I guess the other option is to find a fusebox from somewhere.

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by Simmo on Sep 5^th, 2006, 9:29am

I'm sure we've had a similar problem before !!. Have you checked the actual light switch itself ? and any connectors in the engine bay?.

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by allenjames on Sep 5^th, 2006, 9:40am

The lightswitch keeping the engine running has only appeared since they removed the fusebox. I guess they disturbed something.

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by allenjames on Sep 5^th, 2006, 10:44am

Another update.

The lightswitch gives the following.

Off, all lights off.
Sidelights - Dip beam lights are on.
Headlights - main beam flashes on then goes off, dip beam remains on.

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by allenjames on Sep 5^th, 2006, 11:27am

Anyone here got a photo of the main fusebox (drivers side) - I need to check they put the relays back in the correct place.

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by Simmo on Sep 5^th, 2006, 11:32am

THIS (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/handbook132.gif) should help. Click lower right corner to enlarge.

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by allenjames on Sep 5^th, 2006, 11:39am

I got the handbook, but I was just wondering if it is possible they have put the wrong relays in the wrong slots.

All different colours.

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by allenjames on Sep 5^th, 2006, 11:46am

aha - hopefully this will help, will check when i get back to work if mine matches.

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/fusebox%20drain%20004.jpg

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by allenjames on Sep 5^th, 2006, 11:59am

Wooooohooooo - finally Ive sorted it.

The relays were put back in all over the place.

Quick shuffle and put them as they are in the photo above and its all working fine.

Morale of the story - don't let anyone else mess with your motor.

Thanks to everyone for their help - actually, reading the posts, I sussed this one out on my own :)

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by Simmo on Sep 5^th, 2006, 12:07pm

Aj, I have checked mine, a 2ltr 16v ultima ,and the layout/colours are the same as in the photo.

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by Simmo on Sep 5^th, 2006, 12:19pm

Well done, where did that photo come from ? Was it on the site somewhere? Glad you're sorted.

Title: Re: Arrrrrrgh - Dead Car.
Post by allenjames on Sep 5^th, 2006, 1:08pm

That photo came from the "fusebox contamination" pages from this site.