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(Message started by: Espot on Nov 24^th, 2006, 8:00pm)

Title: PATS error code (blinking red)
Post by Espot on Nov 24^th, 2006, 8:00pm

Hi all! This morning, while starting my car as usal (a 96 scorpio) the inmovilisator red light started to blink and the car didnt start! so I read my user´s manual, and found that this is because the car don´t recognizes the key code. I try with the red master key, but still the same error: red light blinking. I tried a reprogramming, as indicated in the PATS section of this web and the user´s manual, but nothing to do...
any ideas?? may be the key knotb transponder is fault??

thanks all!!

Title: Re: PATS error code (blinking red)
Post by hellblue on Nov 24^th, 2006, 11:08pm

What code does it flash? some people seem to have had water getting into the pats module?

Title: Re: PATS error code (blinking red)
Post by Espot on Nov 24^th, 2006, 11:51pm

ups! i haven´t see the code flash... BUT!! the problems start since I wash my car, so the problem with the water could be!! where is exactly the PATS module?? and if it has water, can I fix it?? or is needed to replace it!!

thanks a lot!!

Title: Re: PATS error code (blinking red)
Post by Simmo on Nov 25^th, 2006, 7:57am

The module is fitted behind the passenger glove box and can get wet if there is a grommet missing or damaged on the bulkhead from the battery area. Have you got a cover fitted over the battery ,are all your fuseboxes dry, the area round them free of leaves,dirt etc and the drain holes free.

Title: Re: PATS error code (blinking red)
Post by Spannerdemon on Nov 25^th, 2006, 8:14am

Good advice there from Simmo. I had water getting into my ECU through this grommet earlier this year.

Take a look HERE (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/battery.htm). Lots of pictures and photos to help you.

It is ESSENTIAL that you have a Battery Tray covering your battery on these cars, as the water runs straight off the screen onto the battery........good bit of design there!!

The grommet is behind the battery, and carries the loom from the fuse box. My advice is to thoroughly seal this grommet, and the area around it, with a good thick coat of underseal to make it as totally waterproof as possible. Good time to check your battery tray for corrosion whilst you've got the battery out.
When you remove the battery, and you'll have to do this to check out this (probably) leaking grommet, remember to make a note of your RADIO CODE> If you don't have it, don't worry as a lot of us can help you with this.

If you're lucky you'll be able to dry off the connectors on your PATS module, and all should be OK. Personally I would also unscrew the 10mm plug from the ECU connector socket ( it's in a snap down tray under the glovebox) and check that for dryness at the same time.

Don't leave it......corrosion and oxidisation of the pins and sockets will set in with alarming speed!! :)

Title: Re: PATS error code (blinking red)
Post by Espot on Nov 25^th, 2006, 1:36pm

Hi! First of all... thousands of thanks!! You have been so quick in your answers. Ok, so lets say the problem is with water& PATS. You said, the PATS module is under the glovebox... but is this for LHD or RHD?? I´m spanish, and so my scorpio´s, so it is a LHD one. And is needed to remove/unscrew/something with the glovebox? or is the PATS module accesible from the glovebox without removing anything??
thanks, thanks, and thanks!!

Edited--> I have asked the moderator to send me the info about the PATS that, for security resasons, is not avaible to download in the manuals section. But it seems he is busy (or weekend :p)... could anyone of you send it to me?? thx!

Title: Re: PATS error code (blinking red)
Post by Simmo on Nov 25^th, 2006, 2:20pm

You need to remove the glovebox. There is a clip at either side which allows it to drop right down. Then open up the flap which is above it to access the PATS module. You'll then be able to remove/inspect it. No other person can access the security info other than Snoopy and frankly that is unlikely to be necessary if it is just a faulty connection. The re-programming is just for the key not the PATS. You need to decide what code the red light is flashing and then refer to the list to identify the possible cause.

Title: Re: PATS error code (blinking red)
Post by Espot on Nov 25^th, 2006, 2:43pm

thx simmo! just gonna try this, but i need to be sure if in my spanish LHD (left hand), the PATS is too behind the glovebox, or behin the steering wheel..
thx all!

Title: Re: PATS error code (blinking red)
Post by Simmo on Nov 25^th, 2006, 2:53pm

There would not be room anywhere else I'm sure. Before pulling it all out check the number and 'code' of the flashes.

Title: Re: PATS error code (blinking red)
Post by Snoopy on Nov 25^th, 2006, 4:16pm

Espot re the PATS module There is nothing on the Ford TIS disc about the PATS module ( It is restricted info and I do NOT have access to that myself ) and I would have thought it was in the same place on the car behind the glove box as they did in fact make a left hand and right hand harness ... Where is the EEC on your car ? find that and the PATS is nearby.

FYI I have sent a PDF document to your email address with the info on it that you require!

Title: Re: PATS error code (blinking red)
Post by Espot on Nov 25^th, 2006, 4:26pm

Hi!! I went to my car to check the code of the flashes and guess that... THE CAR STARTED as usually!! Now, the red light was fix (no flashes), and the car starts. Then I decided to check for the "water issue", so i went to the battery cover, remove it and I saw that all the bottom of the battery household was with water... And also the cover of the battery. So I tried to found the PATS module. I open the glovebox and saw that, in the upper part, there was a "compartiment" that can be open without removing the glovebox of its place. I opened it and saw many wires, and fuses and relays. At the left there was a "thing" as bigger as my hand, covered with some material like textil.. is this the PATS module?? or have I to remove the glovebox?? I´m gonna try to attach a photo of the glovebox with the compartiment open...

http://espot.dajoob.com/Images/Imagen(063).jpg
http://espot.dajoob.com/Images/Imagen(064).jpg http://espot.dajoob.com/Images/Imagen(065).jpg
P.S.--> I have just recieved from Snoopy Dave the way to get acces to the PATS module, and yes, it is mandatory to remove the glovebox... then what is this behind de compartiment that can be opened without removing the glovebox??

thanx!!

Title: Re: PATS error code (blinking red)
Post by Simmo on Nov 25^th, 2006, 6:01pm

Some fuses and possibly relays. The problem is obviously water in the fusebox. If you look at the link that Spannerdemon put up that should enable you to clean it all up and get rid of the water. You should dry the fusebox with GENTLE heat ie; a hair dryer, and then spray with WD40. Hopefully that will cure the fault. Forget the PATS module for now and concentrate on drying the fusebox and battery area.

Title: Re: PATS error code (blinking red)
Post by Espot on Nov 26^th, 2006, 11:40am

Ok, next week, with a bit more of time, I´m gonna clean the battery and the fuses. Is there any way to avoid the water to come into the car? I have the battery cover properly installed, but it seems that the water is still coming in!! any "home" stuff to improve the battery cover?? (the design allowing the water runs straight off the screen onto the battery. What kind of engineering did it?? Fashion clothes designers??? ???

Thanks all! next week I will brick you again with my experiences cleaning the area, taking some photos for new people cleaning the area...
cheers!

edit--> newbe q:: " what is the best when removing the battery?--> removing first the ground wires, then the positive? or first the positive then the ground??" :-[

Title: Re: PATS error code (blinking red)
Post by Dave on Nov 26^th, 2006, 1:12pm

Negative off first, and back on last :)

Title: Re: PATS error code (blinking red)
Post by Simmo on Nov 26^th, 2006, 4:25pm

on 11/26/06 at 13:12:05, Dave wrote:

Negative off first, and back on last :)

and make sure you don't forget the small black wire which often gets forgotten and then it won't start!.