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(Message started by: armatec on Jan 1^st, 2007, 12:59pm)

Title: estate boot lock
Post by armatec on Jan 1^st, 2007, 12:59pm

hoping someone can help me with this quick?
on the estate ive just brought , the bootlock will not work at all, the problem seems to be that the button you put your key in seems to be seized solid, its sticking out about 5mm and will not go anywhere, in or out,,,

the key although turns in the lock will not unlock it

the previous owner has put a cable tie onto part of the lock with the top of the tie sticking out near the window (on the inside) pulling this up does open the lock.

trying to get this sorted today ??? any ideas??
if its any help i have my 2L saloon ready if any spare parts can be used?
many thanks in advance
kev

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by macroy on Jan 1^st, 2007, 1:08pm

I have seen on other posts that WD40 helps with the unseizing of the lock but if the previous owner has resorted to fitting a cable to the lock then perhaps the lock has had it a replacement lock would be the answer i would have thought.Try a search through previous posts as I think this is pretty common fault. ;)

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by armatec on Jan 1^st, 2007, 1:33pm

its had about 5 cans of WD40 down it now, to no avail lol
also.. when you put the key in it does turn, BUT you cant feel it engaging anything if you know what i mean, it just turns. On my other scorp you can feel it hit something and then the boot springs open, the estate dosent?

also if i did have to fit a replacement lock , what abot the key

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by Simmo on Jan 1^st, 2007, 1:57pm

The lock re-build kit is matched to your existing key. HERE (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/doorlockbld.htm). Have you had the tailgate trim panel off to inspect the rear of the lock?. If I recall correctly there is a cam which engages and from what you say this may be the cause, ie; its not engaging.

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by macroy on Jan 1^st, 2007, 2:02pm

Hi,you could buy a lock repair/rebuild kit from Ford so as to keep the same key.

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/doorlockbld.htm

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by armatec on Jan 1^st, 2007, 3:57pm

just took all the back cover trim off and had a look.... when you put the key in and turn it the white plastic cam attached to it dosent move??
what is the best way to fix this? also as ive already said the button (which the key goes into) dosent push in or anything... its solid
what next??

thanks kev

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by macroy on Jan 1^st, 2007, 5:49pm

Just had a look at the handbook and if the car is unlocked then you can open the tailgate by pressing in the barrel slightly,no key needed for this,if it is not moving as you say then I think your lock is u/s.

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by ColinE on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 9:30am

Hi
I have had and have problems with the lock on my 95 estate, I have had many offers of help.
I stripped mine down, the lock button does NOT push in it should just turn, the white cam is to operate the switches, if your lock is not turning, maybe best to remove it from the tailgate, the white can is only held on with a circlip, it then just comes off, you can then see the back of the lock barrel, sorry I did not need to take mine out, so am not sure how its held in, I would guess a nut on the back of it, I do not know if Fords fitted differant locks to the 95 cars, as people were telling me it should push in, on mine it does not.
If you look at the white cam there is a rod that connects to the door catch as the lock is turned it pulls this rod which then unlocks the latch.
Hope this maybe of help.

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by macroy on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 12:21pm

Wrong! I have an N reg estate and like I have said in my previous post and as it states in the handbook mine DOES push in to open the tailgate.

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by ColinE on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 12:34pm

Hi Sorry
You are wrong, mine is an M reg, there is no way on mine it can push in, it has a white cam on the back with metal rods going to the latch, if it pushed in I am sure it would bend the rods, you must have a differant lock.

Colin

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by scorpio_man on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 12:34pm

on 01/02/07 at 12:21:37, macroy wrote:

Wrong! I have an N reg estate and like I have said in my previous post and as it states in the handbook mine DOES push in to open the tailgate.

hi there

just to clarify a few points regarding the rear lock on the estate (and maybe the saloon).

we've found 2 different types of locks fitted to the scorpio. most are of the push in type, but a few had the 'flat' lock which we think came from the granada. all rear locks are locked when the ignition is on or if the doors are locked. there was/is a taxi option which allowed the rear lock to work even if the ignition was on.

not sure if this option worked on the flat type.

hth

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by ColinE on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 12:44pm

Hi Scorpio Man
As you know I have had and still have trouble with the tailgate locking on my Mreg estate.
While trying to sort out the correct switch that attaches the the cage on the lock barrel, when nobody could tell me what it should be, I spoke to a Ford parts supplier which I picked up here off the forum, remembering what you said about maybe the lock was off the early Granda, he told me between telephone calls he had check this and this was incorrect, he said the Granda was dirrerant, who I am to say he was wrong.
I think the problem is people are guessing what is fitted without knowing.
As I have said in the post before this there is no way my lock button could be pressed in, because of the way its set up.
I am still in bother with mine, I have fitted a new switch to the lock barrel, fitted another solenoid to the latch, it appears I have no power to either, the Russion drawing states the wiring goes to the ccm, but it must go some where else first as I can find no trace of the wire at the ccm, its a yellow with a green tracer, any ides.

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by scorpio_man on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 12:50pm

hi colin

pm your reg number again (i delete everything!) ;D

i look it up again, though i'm sure i saw different part numbers between yours and mine when i checked the last time.

hth

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by macroy on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 12:53pm

How can I or the handbook be wrong,mine does just what it says in the book.The only time I need to use the key is when the car is locked.When the barrel is pushed in it makes contact with the solenoid which in turn releases the lock.You have a different lock.Roy.

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by scorpio_man on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 12:58pm

hi roy

that's the point we're trying to make.....it appears to be the different type of lock. :)

regards

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by macroy on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 1:23pm

Hi,I know the type Colin is talking about it is the key only type,put the key in and turn to the right,mine is totally different,when my car is not locked I just press in the barrel to open it.Another point to note does his open with the fob.Roy.

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by scorpio_man on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 1:31pm

hi there

just did another bit of digging. ford list 3 different lock kits for the estate.

10/1994-02/1995
02/1995-04/1997
04/1997-07/1998

what all the differences are, i don't know (supplier?), bar the push in type of lock.

hth

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by scorpio_man on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 1:32pm

hi roy

don't think it works with the fob as the wires are cut. not sure, though. :-/

regards

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by ColinE on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 2:56pm

Hi
As requested Reg no is M*** ***.
As I said on the Russion drawing 41-01-009 it shows the tailgate motor, being fed by a yellow-green wire, I do not know what 33-AA27 is as its dotted I take it this would be an extra.
For what its worth I have bought a 95 manual it arrived today, it asked for feed back, I have sent Gary B an email saying I think the manual is an engine manual, there is very very little on the electrics, it just says its a moduler system, I told him we need to know where the modules are and what they do, I think most people will give the electric ago if they have something to refer to, what the manual does with the engine showing where the parts are, we need the same for the electrics.
Thanks for your interest.

Colin

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by ColinE on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 3:03pm

Hi Roy
Dont know as I did not get a fob when I bought the car, and I am not spending £106 to get one, I will do with the key.
What my main concern is that I cannot get power to the tailgate solenoid, which I have just replaced, and also the switch attached to the lock barrel, if there was a decent drawing maybe I could sort it.
Sorry did not mean to offend, but I have been playing with this dam locking system for just on 4 weeks and still have not sorted it, being ill in between has not helped.
I have repaired the wire etc all is now as it should be, I think, just need some volts.

Colin

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by scorpio_man on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 3:26pm

hi colin

think it's time for a recap.

as far as i know....
you have;
1. non push in lock.
2. new alarm switch
3. new door ajar switch
4. repaired wiring at the lock

colin, can you add to this.

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by macroy on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 3:46pm

Hi Colin,been back to the handbook again I don,t know if this is any help.In the Central fuse box fuse number 22 protects Door locking modules and there is a Relay R12which protects rear door locking,not sure if tailgate is included in this .Roy

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by ColinE on Jan 2^nd, 2007, 5:10pm

Hi Scorpio_man
I think thats about it, another switch fitted to the lock barrel, no 95 14017eb or e8 (sorry taken from a picture)
Brand new switch fitted to the latch, this is the blue switch do not have the number to hand,new from Fords.
The wiring that was cut, was from the barrel switch, where the lead from the switch plugs into a plug and socket which is fastened to the tailgate, so by replacing the switch it replaced the wires.
I have checked the wiring at the top of the tailgate where it goes into the rubber tube all is well there,
But I do not know where the wiring goes from there, only that it goes to the ccm, (re the drawing) I have had a good look at this, removing the plugs, the yellow-green wire is quite large, cannot see anything like it, I have also replaced the tailgate motor/solenoid from one out of a cossie that was working, there is a two pin plug on this, tried reading power to it, I have an expensive meter £175 not one of these £5 things its very sensertive.
I can unlock the tailgate with the key with no problem.
From what I have read it seems the tailgate locking is separate from the main central locking, maybe I am on the wrong track. I assumed the tailgate should unlock electrically when you unlock the car, surely you do not need a fob to unlock it.

Colin

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by ColinE on Jan 4^th, 2007, 2:55pm

Hi Roy
Checked the fuse 22 its ok, found the relay, but how the hell do you get it out, its right at the back under the bulkhead I can just about get my fingers on it, but no chance of ever pulling it.

Colin :-[

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by scorpio_man on Jan 4^th, 2007, 3:10pm

hi colin

i've replied to your email.

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by macroy on Jan 4^th, 2007, 3:11pm

Hi Colin,I have just had a look at mine and you are right it is awkward.I managed to get a long thin bladed screwdriver between the two relays and prize it up.Getting the cover back on afterwards makes you swear a bit as well.Roy.

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by ColinE on Jan 7^th, 2007, 1:37pm

Hi Andrew,
Further update, I dodged out between the rain to check the load space light, no it did not work, the switch was in the centre position, I moved it to up position, nothing, so I pushed the switch to the lower position, would you believe the tailgate solenoid fired, I tried again, same, each time I moved the light switch to the lower position it fired the solenoid, I popped the light unit out to check the bulb, it looked ok, but I changed it, switched to the upper position the light came on, now when I go to the lower position the solenoid IS NOT firing, the light does not seem to function on/off when the tailgate is open or closed, I put the switch in the upper position it appears to stay on all the time, in the lower position nothing happens, could there be an earth fault, could this be the cause of every thing, had to break off as its raining again.
For what its worth the wire in the load area lamp are,
Orange-Blue and Black in the double connector and Orange - Black on the single connector.

Colin

Title: Re: estate boot lock
Post by scorpio_man on Jan 7^th, 2007, 5:43pm

hi colin

the light would stay on all the time because the car thinks the tailgate is open. it should go out after 20 mins using the timer function, though.

you might be on the right route now. if i can think of something i'll let you know.

hth