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(Message started by: Yalin on Feb 3rd, 2007, 2:40pm)

Title: Failed MOT...
Post by Yalin on Feb 3rd, 2007, 2:40pm
My 2.3 failed with few issues today:

1- Front Headlamp aim too low (both sides)

2- Both sites Front brake hose seriously damaged (found during steering lock to lock check)

3- Centre exhaust system has a mounting that it does not fully sport the exhaust system

My garage reckons 100 quid for the whole lot to be fixed. Number 1, tenner Number 2, sixty and Number 3, thirty quid. Do you think this is too expensive?
Could I fix any of these myself?

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by PeteB on Feb 3rd, 2007, 3:36pm
Well I reckon its a good price (cost me £300 to get mine through the MOT) personally I would get them to do it but its your preference :)

Pete

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by TiberiuS on Feb 3rd, 2007, 3:38pm
Headlamp aim can be done but is tricky to get within MOT standards...you can find info on setting them on the net but the MOT allowance is very tight. Brake hoses should be easy enough, if you haven't had them touched in a while it may be worth draining and refilling the fluid anyway. Number 3, I have no idea...I'd let them do 1 and 3 and do 2 myself ;)

Good luck :)

Regards, Bruce.

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by Yalin on Feb 3rd, 2007, 7:59pm
Pete, Bruce
Thanks for your replies. Apparently Number 3 is the rubber that hooks the exhaust pipe to the car.
I think I'll let the garage do the work, otherwise I would have to pay the re-test fee.  ;)

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by mr._floppy on Feb 4th, 2007, 1:01am
Headlight alignment   on the Scorp  is  easy to remedy, however,   100  smackers is a   fair  price  these days  for  the  brake   hose   replacement   alone.

 Let them do it   8)


 
               

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by Yalin on Feb 5th, 2007, 11:51pm
I collected the car this evening, £94 for all 3 problems, repaired.
Nice feeling to have a full year's MOT!!  ;D

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by Octavian_P on Feb 6th, 2007, 1:33am
Nice done ! So you left the garage after all to fix it ? Happy motoring  ;)

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by jonnycab on Feb 6th, 2007, 1:56am
As MOT failures go, that isn't a bad failure, & a pretty cheap fix as well. I've seen newer cars fail on more....infact, my old Y reg new shape Mondeo failed it's 2nd MOT miserably.

If you'd done the work yourself then you'd still have to pay for parts & the retest....& not forgetting the hassle of getting under the car in the cold  ;)

So for £94.00, you've done yourself a favour  :)

I've got the MOT due in a couple of weeks & I've already spent over £400 on a new steering rack & two wishbones....fitted them myself to save another £300 in labour....& I've still got to stick some new rear pads in as well ::)

I am praying that it will pass after all this expense  ;)

Then in a months time, I've got the council's Taxi inspection test....6 months ago they failed it because of some slight water damage to the rear number plate, even though it didn't obscure the lettering at all  >:(, (if you look at the '1' carefully, you can see a mark above it, & a mark below it)  ???

What will they fail it on this time.....a grubby rear view mirror ?  ::)

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by big_neil on Feb 6th, 2007, 8:32am
how can any body charge to adjust headlights is beyond me, i assist in MOT,s most sat mornings and if lights want adjusting it,s done there and then on the spot for nothing,even if the adjusters are seized.a lot of cars fail nowadays cos of indicators showing a white light instead of amber. gone are the days of amber indicator lenses when a white bulb which was sufficient, now there clear lenses with painted bulbs which eventually peel off with the heat , a helluva lot of cars fail on this item. what else makes my blood boil is halfords selling upgrade headlight bulbs and any other bulbs come to that but don,t fit them, then send the customer round to our garage to fit them,lazy gits,and yes we fit them free even though some bulbs can take an hour to fit

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by martin_rowe on Feb 6th, 2007, 8:39am
makes complete business scence.

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by Johnboy on Feb 6th, 2007, 4:06pm
Jonnycab,
                My understanding is a Private Hire vehicle with Local Authority plates is exempt from MOT's ?

Johnboy

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by jonnycab on Feb 6th, 2007, 4:42pm

on 02/06/07 at 16:06:59, Johnboy wrote:
Jonnycab,
                My understanding is a Private Hire vehicle with Local Authority plates is exempt from MOT's ?

Johnboy


Affraid not mate, besides, it's Hackney Carriage plated.

All Hackney carriage & private hire plated vehicles still have to have an MOT as well as a twice yearly test by the licensing authority. Some local councils even have three tests a year  :)


Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by big_neil on Feb 6th, 2007, 6:34pm
probably does make business sense martin to halfords and the man charging a tenner to reset headlights but customer satisfaction is what my mate specialises  in and hope the customers will come back to him if he gives  decent service. i have known this garage proprieter for over 40yrs and i,ve never ever seen him rip people off, some jobs run at a loss just to keep the people happy, takes some believing i know but i can assure it does happen here. guess who does my scorp servicing??

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by craig on Feb 6th, 2007, 6:46pm
mine failed the MOT yesterday as well......
mis-spacing of letters on the number plate    >:(
nearly 7 years i have that number plate,NEVER failed the test before,and NEVER been pulled by the cops....
had to get a cheap set made up,stuck them over the original plates with "buddies" and bingo passed....

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by big_neil on Feb 6th, 2007, 7:04pm
craig,MOT testers livelyhoods are at risk now from the ever present ministry doing secret tests on examiners,all the cars with illegal spacing no. plates normally have a spare totally legal set in the boot and are generally fitted at MOT time, when passed, the odd spacing plates are then fitted back on, until the cops do owt about it,it will always happen, we all know wats legal and wot aint but it still gets done.

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by Johnboy on Feb 6th, 2007, 8:04pm
Jonnycab,
                    Thanks for the info. However, our LA do not require an MOT.

"Although the test will be of MOT standard plus additional checks, an MOT Certificate may not be issued. If the Council approves your application a Certificate of Compliance will be issued which will exempt the vehicle from undergoing any additional MOT Test whilst it has a licence in force."

Do LA have different standards?
Can you please PM  me how a PH vehicle can obtain a hackney plate.

Thanks mate.

Johnboy

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by jonnycab on Feb 7th, 2007, 1:03am
That's the first time I've ever heard of a vehicle not needing an MOT to be on the road (apart from tractors etc).....oh well, as they say, you learn a new thing everyday  ;).

I suppose if the council tester is certified to conduct MOT's then that should suffice, but I know that my licencing authority tester doesn't have a certificate issued by the MOT (only by the council, & it's the same in alot of other areas). So obviously, if the tester doesn't have a MOT tester certificate, then you would have to have the proper MOT as well.

Regarding getting a Hackney plate.......all local authorities used to be different, but due to a recent change in licencing laws there can no longer be a restriction on the issue of Hackney carriage plates. Instead you have to meet a certain criteria.

Some only used to issue a limited amount & if you wanted one, then you had to buy it from the owner of the plate.....I've seen them in the past go for between £30,000 - £35,000.
Other local authorities were de-regulated, which meant there was no limit on the amount of Hackney plates available.

About three years ago, new government legislation stated that all local authorities must become de-regulated & lift the limit on Hackney plates available.....so there's alot of plate owners out there who are a bit peaved, because their plates are worthless & bang goes their little nest egg.

I'm licenced with Brentwood council who have been de-regulated for years & seem to dish out Hackney plates like biscuits at a PTA meeting. The only restrictions are that you have either had to have owned a private hire plate for at least two years or you have had to have driven someone elses Hackney plated vehicle for at least two years.

Other local authorities are a little more picky & state that any new Hackney plates will only be issued to wheelchair accessible vehicles & only to drivers who have worked in the private hire trade for at least two years.

I'm sure that there are other local authorities with different regulations as well, but the fact remains that a local authority can no longer restrict the amount of Hackney carriage plates available, as long as the applicant meets the conditions set out by the local authority.

If the government have their way, then by the year 2010, every Hackney Carriage vehicle will have to be wheelchair accessible  ::), but that is being fought by the trade at the moment  ;)


Sorry not to PM you Johnboy, but I thought this info may be of interest to others  :)

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by martin_rowe on Feb 7th, 2007, 8:44am
LA inspection will not replace MOT, currant MOT is still in force.

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by jonnycab on Feb 7th, 2007, 9:05am
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/documents/digitalasset/dg_065277.pdf

Scroll down to Part 1 paragraph 'g'

Johnboy appears to be right  :)


& here's how to apply for exemption....

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Diol1/DoItOnline/DG_4017716

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by mr._floppy on Feb 7th, 2007, 11:28am
Am I right in thinking  that breakdown lorries  or recovery vehicles are  exempt  ( or used to be )  from the MOT test ?

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by big_neil on Feb 7th, 2007, 3:16pm
i think breakdown and recovery vehicles need a class 7 certificate

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by Johnboy on Feb 7th, 2007, 7:32pm
Jonnycab,
                 Thanks for the clarification. Hope it saves the cost of a yearly MOT in the future.

A fantastic forum for the trade is:

www.taxi-driver.co.uk

On the homepage just click the second tab Forums and away you go.  

Hope to bump into you there. Hands in many pots  ;)

Johnboy


Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by jonnycab on Feb 9th, 2007, 2:27am
Had a look at the site Johnboy......don't think I'll be posting on it though  ;)

First impressions (after reading the forums) seemed to confirm that taxi drivers from different areas b i t c h about taxi drivers from other areas (nothing new there)  ::)

Also...I speak to other cab drivers all night....so the last thing I want to do when I get home is talk Taxi.....

I do this job purely for an income & not through enjoyment  ;)

The Scorpio website is a chance to talk about the cars we all drive & not about what we do for a living.

Yea...okay...sometimes I talk taxi on here.....but I don't tell everyone how my night has been (unless I've been assaulted  ;))......& I definately don't rant on about how the trade used to be so much more profitable 10 years ago  ::)  ;D



Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by mr._floppy on Feb 9th, 2007, 10:25am
...............and we won't mention that taxi drivers never seem to carry any change  ::) ;D

Title: Re: Failed MOT...
Post by Johnboy on Feb 9th, 2007, 4:56pm
 []  with you 100% jonnycab.  I try to ignore all the b.i.t.c.h ing   :o on there and concentrate on the useful info that crops up now and again.
This Scorpio website is like a breath of fresh air.
Thanks once again for the info.

Johnboy





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