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(Message started by: Bulgarien on Feb 23^rd, 2007, 7:04pm)

Title: Wiring to a electric motor seat ??
Post by Bulgarien on Feb 23^rd, 2007, 7:04pm

I have bought a original leather seat to the passenger site, with three motors, and a lumbar motor pump, that I have have changed, instead of the basic seat.( the seat have olso have memory function, because it have a flat plastic box underneath the seat, but that is not importing for me ;) normally its my wife that are sitting there)

The seat have a a plug with 5 pins, that now need some connektion to power.

Why are there 5 pins?

I will normaly think that 12 v and ground will be enougth.

Which pin in the plug are 12 volt and ground.

Anybody that have a electric diagram or a link ?

I have search the site and forums and search under " seat-upgrade" but there is no help to this problem.

Any kind of help will be great :)

Erik, Denmark

Title: Re: Wiring to a electric motor seat ??
Post by Kjetil S on Feb 23^rd, 2007, 10:13pm

See here (http://www.carsoft.ru/avtorepair/sierra_el.html) under "Power seats".

(Don't worry about the url reading "sierra", it IS for the Scorpio.)

Title: Re: Wiring to a electric motor seat ??
Post by sector-9 on Feb 23^rd, 2007, 10:35pm

The control box for the electric seat also connects to the central controller behind the glovebox. You should be fine with just power and ground though.

Darren

Title: Re: Wiring to a electric motor seat ??
Post by v4-max on Feb 24^th, 2007, 12:16am

have you looked under the carpet? i recently swopped my manual passenger seat for an electric one and found the wires and plugs under the carpet. only plug missing was for the bum warmer.

Title: Re: Wiring to a electric motor seat ??
Post by Bulgarien on Feb 24^th, 2007, 12:00pm

Thank to Kjetil S for the very usefull link for full electric diagram wiring for our Scorpio.

Strange it not on our fordscorpio site??

Now I hope, there are enought search words in this tread, for others members to find this usefull specific russia link. :) :) :)

http://www.carsoft.ru/avtorepair/sierra_el.html

I have make copys of the diagram and I will give it to my workshop or my frind that are expert in the electric system, if I can`t find out...

But there are still one or two thing I cant figure out.

The seat have a a plug with 5 pins.

Why are there 5 pins? I can´t see why ?

Which pin (colour or place) in the plug shall have 12 volt and ground.

The diagram shows that i shall use no. 1 and 2, (where is the position in the plug?)

1 are 12 volt power and 2 are ground. The colour code for power are OG/YE (no.1)

What colour is this in normal english.. My guees is that "YE" are yellow ,- "OG" means ...?

In most of Denmark wee have to bee inside today becouse the falling snow are change to under cooled rain, and the result are pure Ice, when it toutch the ground. :o Many big roads are closed and the military are helping. :)

See the TV2 news channel from Denmark about the ekstreme weather. direct Newsreport every 15 minuttes

http://news.tv2.dk/index.php/video-1.html

Erik, Denmark

Title: Re: Wiring to a electric motor seat ??
Post by Snoopy on Feb 24^th, 2007, 1:11pm

There are five wires because there are FOUR motors , three for the seat adjustment and one for the lumbar support in the back rest ...
BLACK is ground.here are some pictures if they help SEATS (http://www.auub64.dsl.pipex.com/SeatMotor.htm)

Title: Re: Wiring to a electric motor seat ??
Post by Bulgarien on Feb 24^th, 2007, 1:42pm

Thanks, that is great pictures, its funny to see the lumbar bag for real. I think that may owners have problems with the lumbar bag or the seat heating :D

Its not difficult to repair, but its take some time to open the seat and put it on again :-/ A summer weekend will be find for that kind of job. :P ;)

I can see there are 3-4 motors, but did not know there was a the littel pump for the lumbar inside the seat, that is great ;D ,- if it work... ;)

But where is the swiths,- or have can I activate it, when I get power on it .

The extern black power plug out from the seat have 5 pins with 5 wires, why?

I dont think they all four are for 12 volt, one pin should bee enough ?

The intern connektions to the motors are done in the box underneath the seat, and the connektions to the memory modul are olso done by this way.

The seat heat wiring and seat-belt (sensor?) have seperate plugs and have nothing else to do with seat.

Thank for the dialog, this is very helpful for me and problerly others members :)

Erik, Denmark

Title: Re: Wiring to a electric motor seat ??
Post by Snoopy on Feb 24^th, 2007, 1:56pm

The lumbar support is operated by pushing the back rest adjust switch FORWARDS that operates the pump and to deflate push backwards.... Its all in the handbook (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/handbook066.gif)

Title: Re: Wiring to a electric motor seat ??
Post by Bulgarien on Feb 24^th, 2007, 2:17pm

hehe.. if anything dont work , try to look in the handbook! I find out now that handbook are for all kind of Scorpio models. It have not been necessary to read these pages before, and therefore I have forgot, there was these pages

I have to tell that I dont have the 3(4) store buttons to the memory seat funktion. Could the ekstra wires in the main plug be used to control the mirror, that proberly are storede in the seats memory box and therefore useless for my use.?

Title: Re: Wiring to a electric motor seat ??
Post by Kjetil S on Feb 24^th, 2007, 2:57pm

I would guess at "OG" is "Orange", so that wire should probably be yellow/orange striped. (Too lazy to actually check the diagram atm, so I may be wrong ::))

Title: Re: Wiring to a electric motor seat ??
Post by Chieftain on Mar 1^st, 2007, 9:28am

on 02/24/07 at 00:16:33, v4-max wrote:

have you looked under the carpet? i recently swopped my manual passenger seat for an electric one and found the wires and plugs under the carpet. only plug missing was for the bum warmer.

Intresting! wonder if this is standard on ultima as I have 24v cosworth and would like electric passenger seat. When you say only plug missing wa bum warmer, if current seat has bumb warmer then it should be no problem should it? providing that the loom is fitted as in your case, will have to have alook now.

Title: Re: Wiring to a electric motor seat ??
Post by v4-max on Mar 2^nd, 2007, 9:21pm

my ultima never had heated seats as had cloth interior. very pleased when switching to full electric leather that the wires for my passenger seat wich was manual were under the carpet. i can live without the heaters.

Title: Re: Wiring to a electric motor seat ??
Post by Octavian_P on Mar 3^rd, 2007, 11:11pm

On the 2.3 i have heated manual seats and they are cloth interior ... the plot thickens :)

On the 24V i have leather, heated and yes...manual :P

Title: Re: Wiring to a electric motor seat ??
Post by Scorpius on Mar 4^th, 2007, 9:29pm

My 97 2.3 Ultima (Now broken, but i retained the front seats) had both Velour seats electric, but no seat heaters and no wiring for them either.
My 95 Cossie has drivers Leather seat only electric but both seats heated.

What are the chances of converting the leather non electric seat to electric using the motors etc from the 2.3? If you see what i mean?

Ian

Title: Re: Wiring to a electric motor seat ??
Post by Kjetil S on Mar 4^th, 2007, 10:06pm

Not difficult at all, you swap the mounting frame, side panel with buttons and the back frame. Should be a pdf explaining how to dismantle a seat somewhere on the site