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(Message started by: mr._floppy on Nov 15^th, 2007, 5:03pm)

Title: Won't Start
Post by mr._floppy on Nov 15^th, 2007, 5:03pm

As Capt. Blackadder said:
" I think it rhymes with Clucking Bell "

Well it had to happen one day. :'(

Went out to-day and my 2.0 16v wouldn't fire, starter turns OK. but no go.

Everything else is fine, all electrics in working order.

No previous problems encountered on Tuesday when last used.

I've checked all the Fuses and connections, Fuseboxes bone dry.

I'm suspecting fuel problems.

How can I test that the fuel tank pump is working and that fuel is reaching the fuel rail ?

And anyother obvious stuff I've overlooked ?

BTW, the battery hasn't been disconnected for months.

Title: Re: Won't Start
Post by Dave on Nov 15^th, 2007, 5:52pm

Can you hear the fuel pump relay when you turn the ignition on? Should sort of whine for a second or two then stop.

Title: Re: Won't Start
Post by scorpio_man on Nov 15^th, 2007, 6:15pm

hi there

i'd try.....

1. different key (red master if poss). have a look at the PATS light.

2. jump start. we've had a couple of cold mornings.

before taking anything apart.

hth

Title: Re: Won't Start
Post by Huff on Nov 15^th, 2007, 8:23pm

Fuel cut off switch in the boot? ::)

Title: Re: Won't Start
Post by mr._floppy on Nov 15^th, 2007, 8:36pm

PATS is fine, I tried the cut-off switch, is R 17 the Fuel Pump Relay ?

Title: Re: Won't Start
Post by Dave on Nov 15^th, 2007, 8:43pm

Thats the one, the green one with the purple top IIRC :)

Title: Re: Won't Start
Post by Simmo on Nov 15^th, 2007, 9:20pm

As Andrew says try a jump start. These cars require a good battery to start them even though there may be enough energy to turn them over. Do the dials,ie: speedo and rev counter fly round when you try and start the car?. If so it is the battery at fault.

Title: Re: Won't Start
Post by Matt on Nov 15^th, 2007, 9:23pm

sounds like the cam or crank sensor to me

Title: Re: Won't Start
Post by mr._floppy on Nov 15^th, 2007, 10:04pm

No the needles are fine, I've taken out R17, tested it as best I could, seems OK.

After heavy rain the PATS light tends to stay on, so water is getting in although not in the area where the PATS unit is.

Are there any sensitive electronics that wouldn't like water above the pedals area ?

I'll investigate further to-morrow.

An OBD would be handy, but I doubt my local FMD would have the proper stuff

I'm getting too old and lazy to embark on a protracted and costly fault-finding, cat and mouse elimination game with this old bird.

If she can't be fixed in a quick and reasonably cheap way it's the Glue Factory I'm afraid. :o

Title: Re: Won't Start
Post by Simmo on Nov 16^th, 2007, 6:48am

There is a large connector fitted on the offside inner wing below the power steering reservoir, shown HERE (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/23looms.htm) as C110. It is in two sections and the top is bolted on. Try cleaning this as often fluid will contaminate it and cause problems.

Title: Re: Won't Start
Post by Alastair on Nov 16^th, 2007, 8:32am

If you do go your FMD don't get talked into replacing the idle control valve. That was their first move when mine did the same thing.
Turned out to be the wiring to the EDIS unit. I would try moving each of the wires individually (there are 11).
My culprit was the black and white wire which controls the voltage to the fuel pump.

Good Luck - I know the feeling

Alastair

Title: Re: Won't Start
Post by Highlander on Nov 16^th, 2007, 10:26am

on 11/15/07 at 17:03:14, mr._floppy wrote:

And anyother obvious stuff I've overlooked ?

Petrol? ;)

You can disconnect the fuel pipes just below the inlet manifold and check for fuel

Title: Re: Won't Start
Post by mr._floppy on Nov 16^th, 2007, 11:35am

I'm coming round to the battery theory, as the car hasn't been started since Sunday with a few frosty nights in between. Even though the battery is only 15 months old !

I'll give it a jump start with the American beast as soon as that old biddy downstairs shifts her Clio

Stand by.

Title: Re: Won't Start
Post by mr._floppy on Nov 16^th, 2007, 4:37pm

Success!! ;D

The jump start did the trick.

However, now the direction indicators and the wiper washer pump don't work !

The relevant fuses are OK so I'm guessing it's them relays.

Strange how I didn't get the usual "flickering dash needles" to indicate
a failing battery voltage .

Title: Re: Won't Start
Post by Dave on Nov 16^th, 2007, 7:41pm

Excellent news 8)

Was worried about that this afternoon :)

Title: Re: Won't Start
Post by Highlander on Nov 16^th, 2007, 8:49pm

on 11/16/07 at 16:37:49, mr._floppy wrote:

However, now the direction indicators and the wiper washer pump don't work !

Fusebox multiplug ;)

Title: Re: Won't Start
Post by Simmo on Nov 16^th, 2007, 9:00pm

What Stuart is saying is that you have probably not got the multiplug back on correctly. The saying is " If it goes on first time it aint right". You need to ensure that the unit is properly located in the two lugs before pressing it home and securing it. It will go down one row out and produce the type of fault you refer to.

Title: Re: Won't Start
Post by mr._floppy on Nov 16^th, 2007, 9:00pm

Yes, good thought Highlander, I did disturb that plug yesterday.

I'll try it again tomorrow.

Now I have to navigate my way to nightshift sans functional indicators.

Should be fun, see how others like it when I DON'T bluddae indicate !!!! ::)

Title: Re: Won't Start
Post by cuzza on Nov 16^th, 2007, 9:43pm

make sure your multi_plug is located correctly as Highlander suggests had the very same proplem with my 24v and i had checked it twice make sure it in the locating lugs before you snap it down in place ;) 8)

Title: Re: Won't Start
Post by mr._floppy on Nov 17^th, 2007, 2:11pm

Yes indeed, as many of you predicted ( well done, pour yourself a large drink ) the multi-plug was not fitted correctly. Only half of the connections were connected leading to half the electrics being inoperative.

All is well now at Floppy Manor. I'll keep the eye on the battery, it may have a slight drain problem .

Thanks to all.

A donation to the site is on its way. :-*