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(Message started by: grandadman on Nov 25^th, 2007, 3:58pm)

Title: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by grandadman on Nov 25^th, 2007, 3:58pm

I am a bit of a perfectionist to the point of being a pain in the posterior []

Take a look at THIS (http://www.x100p.co.uk/rfb.html) -am I being a little too OTT worrying ???

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by harry.m1byt on Nov 25^th, 2007, 5:52pm

Despite having replaced those bushes myself, I can't quite work out from the photos what has gone wrong - but certainly it looks very wrong. You are right to be worried!

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by scorpio_man on Nov 25^th, 2007, 6:03pm

hi there

it's been an age since i done mine, so i can't remember exactly, but looking at the diagram, the washers should be only at the end.

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/frontsuspension.gif

hth

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by grandadman on Nov 25^th, 2007, 6:03pm

If you look where the arrow is, he has put a large washer on the the rear facing bearing shaft, then the rubber bearing assembly and tightened the whole thing very tight before fitting the wishbone to the vehicle.
I hope this clarifies it a bit better :-/

I think you are right scorpio_man []

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by jonnycab on Nov 25^th, 2007, 6:09pm

Regarding the wishbone rear bush...yes, that washer should be there & if you look closely at it (when it's removed) you will see it is shaped inwards on one side around the hole, so it fits snug to that part of the wishbone :)

Just to clarify, there are two washers, one either side of the bush :)

Also, it shouldn't have been tightened before the wishbone was fitted. It should be tightened after the wishbone is fitted & the weight of the car is on the ground, otherwise it will exert extra pressure on the bush & the bush will fail prematurely :)

Hope this helps ;)

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by mr._floppy on Nov 25^th, 2007, 6:18pm

Here's a picture of what it should look like .
I think it's OK, the washer should go between the bush
and the rear shoulder of the wishbone.

I thought for a minute it had been put on the wrong way round.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/smallparts456/rearbush.jpg

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by grandadman on Nov 25^th, 2007, 6:32pm

Have a look at THIS (http://www.x100p.co.uk/exploded.html) which is what scorpio_man suggests - clarified a bit more

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by jonnycab on Nov 25^th, 2007, 6:41pm

The washer is shown...it's number 23. The diagram isn't very clear about it going on before the bush. But if you think about it logically, why would you need two washers at the end ? ???

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by grandadman on Nov 25^th, 2007, 6:42pm

The bad news in this dilemma is that the washer only apears on the OSF drivers side which is what started me thinking is that right ??? :-/

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by jonnycab on Nov 25^th, 2007, 6:53pm

Go back to the mechanic & ask him to put a washer on the other side. He doesn't have to remove the whole wishbone, just undo the rear holding nut & 4 clamp bolts, lever the arm down & pull the bush off. It shouldn't take too long :)

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by grandadman on Nov 25^th, 2007, 6:54pm

Yeah jonnycab I do think that you are right!

so the sequence would be shaft then> [refer to diag for#]

1. large washer [#23]
2. rubber bearing assy [#7]
3. washer [#22]
4. 18mm nut [#20]

We are nearly there - one last thing - The recommended torque for this particular

retaining nut [#20] ???

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by grandadman on Nov 25^th, 2007, 6:55pm

OK you are absolutely right - I'll sleep tonight ::)

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by jonnycab on Nov 25^th, 2007, 7:02pm

There doesn't seem to be a recommended torque for this nut (20), it should just be tight.

But not super tight though, I once managed to shear off the end of the wishbone by trying to get it as tight as possible ???..... ::)

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by grandadman on Nov 25^th, 2007, 7:12pm

There is a little bit more to tell you but my dinner's ready - b bak l8r

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by scorpio_man on Nov 25^th, 2007, 9:25pm

hi there

here's another photo of it....

http://www.anyboard.net/autos/cars/scorpio/posts/130.html

hth

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by grandadman on Nov 25^th, 2007, 10:32pm

Looks as though THIS (http://www.x100p.co.uk/wash.html) washer is OK []

Thanks scorpioman for your guidance and help and thanks to everyone else

Good night

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by grandadman on Nov 25^th, 2007, 10:58pm

I have updated my latest picture which really puts this matter to rest - it looks as though my mechanic has messed up with his sequence of re-assembly of the parts and I picked it up!

But I did say at the begining I am a bit pedantic and I like things done according to the 'book' especially when I am shelling out good money to the experts of this world

btw the latest and last pic is THIS (http://www.x100p.co.uk/wash.html) one

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by grandadman on Nov 25^th, 2007, 11:02pm

WOW 8) I have just noticed that I have been promoted to 'Full Member' :) Thanx to everybody concerned.

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by jonnycab on Nov 26^th, 2007, 12:00am

on 11/25/07 at 23:02:46, grandadman wrote:

WOW 8) I have just noticed that I have been promoted to 'Full Member' :) Thanx to everybody concerned.

That means you now have to go through the initiation ;)....I vaguely remember bits of mine :o...... ;D

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by grandadman on Nov 29^th, 2007, 9:06pm

Final post on this subject from me. Info HERE (http://www.x100p.co.uk/wash.html)

Thanks folks 8)

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by Highlander on Nov 29^th, 2007, 9:09pm

on 11/26/07 at 00:00:30, jonnycab wrote:

That means you now have to go through the initiation ;)....I vaguely remember bits of mine :o...... ;D

Yep, time for Simmo to get the Goat out again! ;)

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by Simmo on Nov 30^th, 2007, 7:31am

{} Stuart {} I thought you'd been restrained for too long!!!. ;) Mike.

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by grandadman on Dec 4^th, 2007, 6:33pm

From the desk of grandadman...The Final, Final, Final, Very Last picture HERE (http://www.x100p.co.uk/wash.html) Scroll down to the bottom and all will be revealed

I now have the correct new washers in my mit ready to be fitted by me soon 8)

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by harry.m1byt on Dec 4^th, 2007, 11:26pm

That looks more like it, well done :D

I like things to be right too!

No doubt the bush would have suffered rapid wear with the incorrect washer fitted.

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by jonnycab on Dec 6^th, 2007, 3:48am

Now you see what I mean about those 'shaped inwards towards the hole for a snug fit' washers ;)

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by grandadman on Dec 6^th, 2007, 12:14pm

Exactly jonnycab :D

Just out of interest, is the order/wishbone shaft/ shaped washer toward the shaft/flat side towards the centre steel of the rubberbearing/rubberbearing/smaller washer then 18 mm nut with the whole thing secured to the chassis by a cradle held on by four small bolts ???

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by jonnycab on Dec 6^th, 2007, 1:50pm

Yes, that sounds about right...only other thing to consider is that the bush is mounted to the chassis with the gap around the front edge facing north :)

Title: Re: This suspension problem is driving me nuts!
Post by harry.m1byt on Dec 6^th, 2007, 7:59pm

...and don't tighten it up until the cars weight is resting back on its wheels.