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Title: 2.3 auto transmission Post by stevie on Feb 13th, 2008, 10:38pm hi everyone new to the scorpio however love the car thing is my transmission (auto) is fine when cold runs through all the gears perfectly smooth and quiet however as the auto heats up (and the fluid gets hot ) it starts to behave oddly turbine whine at first then it goes quiet and runs as normal . it feels as if the box is starved of fluid i am having the fluid and filter changed this week ,i have cleaned the maf have checked the fluid it is just off pink does not smell burnt it smells mineraly i spoke to a mechanic and he said the fluid and the filter needs changing as the pump is trying to pump thinned fluid when its hot i,m assuming he is right any advice would be great cheers this site is exellent also fixed my key fob remote and reprogrammed it with the help of this site exellent indeed will be donating keep up the good work |
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Title: Re: 2.3 auto transmission Post by Tompion on Feb 13th, 2008, 11:39pm Let them know that chances are if it's not had a new filter before the filter bolt will need shortening otherwise the filter won't seat properly. |
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Title: Re: 2.3 auto transmission Post by stevie on Feb 14th, 2008, 12:11am oh ok cheers dont know if its had a new filter before only had the car 1 month but cheers i,ll tell them thanks a lot , do you know if the fluid after time loses its functionallity and if the filter is full of gunge would cause fluid starvation in the auto box ? |
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Title: Re: 2.3 auto transmission Post by stevie on Feb 14th, 2008, 12:17am just to let you all know when i cleaned the maf i did'nt disconnect the battery on reading other articles they say that the computer will still think there's a problem shoul i do a reboot ? i read the how to clean the maf but forgot about the battery disconect ;D |
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Title: Re: 2.3 auto transmission Post by Tompion on Feb 14th, 2008, 12:32am The turbine whine does sound like a filter change is needed. Most people report an improvement after changing the fluid. The fluid in mine looked brown on the dipstick but was black when drained & loads of sludge in the sump. It significantly reduced the time it took to engage gear from neutral - especially reverse. See details of oil change here: http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/aboxfilters.htm |
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Title: Re: 2.3 auto transmission Post by Tompion on Feb 14th, 2008, 12:45am I don't think it's necessary to disconnect the battery after cleaning the MAF, but a reset may be worthwhile if you haven’t done it before - make sure you have the radio code. |
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Title: Re: 2.3 auto transmission Post by stevie on Feb 14th, 2008, 1:54am the fluid in yours was black was the box ok though after the change the fluid in mine is off pink but clear hoping the change will help thanks for the quick responses this is truely an excellent site and the scorpio is a lovely comfortable cruiser i love it .is changing the brake bands and solenoids classed as a recon any ideas how much something like that would cost uk £'s . thanks again ;D |
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Title: Re: 2.3 auto transmission Post by Octavian_P on Feb 14th, 2008, 7:40am Hi there I have exactly the same problem http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Advice;action=display;num=1201881728 when the oil / box is cool all it's wonderful, the shifts are silk smooth, no whining or turbine noise. After a good warm-up (HOT) it start acting weird and has a lot of slippage. I took a oil sample out of the dipstick and compared it whit new fluid. The old one has colored and has the constancy of water. In this weekend i will do the change. Fingers corssed :) |
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Title: Re: 2.3 auto transmission Post by stevie on Feb 14th, 2008, 7:51am hi octavian_p nice to hear someone with the same problem i,m having the fluid changed this week i,l let you know how it goes hope it solves the problem have you cleaned the maf also i did seems no different but like yours the fluid was like water very thin thanks for the reply |
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Title: Re: 2.3 auto transmission Post by Octavian_P on Feb 14th, 2008, 8:31am Yes i have cleaned the MAF, but it was already clean, disconnected the battery and still no change. The problem is the overheating, ATF oil is very sensitive and for every 20 C increase in temperature it's life halfens. Have you ever seen a diesel Scorpio ? It has 2 oil coolers and a high power electric fan. Our 2.3 and 2.9 has an oil to water cooler (mearly a pipe) through the main (engine) radiator and a small oil to air radiator behind the front bumper. |
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Title: Re: 2.3 auto transmission Post by stevie on Feb 14th, 2008, 7:26pm no i aint never seen a diesel scorpio did'nt know there was one to be honest new to scorpios just bought it cos me discovery is off the road at the min but am selling the disco to keep the scorpio its obviously the better car newer too ....... anyway is there anything else we can do to improve the cooling for the box or will the mew fluid cope with the high temp,s hope the change rectifies the slipping as i just love driving the scorpio never had a car so comfortable apart from my old wolsley 1300 auto .. i,v looked for the small radiator behind the front bumper cant seem to find it i assume its there ,took me 2 weeks to locate the dip stick for the box then it appeared was'nt looking hard enough thought it would be yellow like the main dip stick never mind i got there in the end .... cheers will let you know how thing go with the fluid change |
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Title: Re: 2.3 auto transmission Post by Octavian_P on Feb 18th, 2008, 6:46am Hello I did the oil change, well...sort of. Knowing that my cossie had a filter change not so long ago, i have put o hose through the dipstick hole and managed to pump 2.5 liters of oil out. Then i have added 2.5 liters of fresh new ATF Dexron III / Mercon oil and took the car for a ride through the neighborhood to warm the box up and mix the oil. Then i have repeated the procedure again, took another 2.5 liters out and added 2.5 new oil (to increase the concentration). The results are amazing !!! No thumps or delays when selecting D or R, the box shifts smoother than silk (you must be very concentrated to feel it changing). I gave it a slight trashing (few kickdowns, some wheel spin etc.), now it works great, no slippage. Also i have to mention that before this the engine braking (2,1 on the selector) didn't work properly, now it does and it's beautiful. The old oil is black as tarmac (but still smells mineral). In the following weekend i'll do another 2 changes to further increase the concentration of new / clean oil. As for cooling look at this: 2.5 TDi Scorpio Autobox cooler http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/Octavian_P/Clipboard01-1.jpg 2.0, 2.3, 2.9 (24V) cooler http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/Octavian_P/Clipboard02.jpg |
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Title: Re: 2.3 auto transmission Post by moonster on Feb 18th, 2008, 7:44am on 02/14/08 at 00:45:40, Tompion wrote:
WHATS A MAF PLEASE? Just got a Scorpio (again) Yipee. |
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Title: Re: 2.3 auto transmission Post by Snoopy on Feb 18th, 2008, 7:47am Its a MASS AIFLOW METER situated on the air intake .... Read all about it HERE (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cleanmaf.htm) and associated links ... search on the index page on the main web pages for MAF |
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Title: Re: 2.3 auto transmission Post by moonster on Feb 18th, 2008, 7:58am I have just done a 12hr night, if you dont mind I wont read about it. It does sound interesting though. |
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Title: Re: 2.3 auto transmission Post by Snoopy on Feb 18th, 2008, 8:00am Well you did ASK! ;) |
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Title: Re: 2.3 auto transmission Post by moonster on Feb 18th, 2008, 8:10am oh poo my text just got deleted. I wrote that my 2.3 is smooth and wonderful. Plus its far better in every regard than my 03 plate Omega. |
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Title: Re: 2.3 auto transmission Post by gozz on Feb 18th, 2008, 9:41pm Poor old moonster! :-* |
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