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Title: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 2nd, 2008, 6:53pm Booked the mean machine in to my regular garage to have the heater matrix flushed out. It was only partly successful, as the heat still isnt coming through. They reckon that the answer is a new matrix. Price £300 fitted. I am going to look into the possibility of doing it myself, but I dont think I relish the job. They say that its a 5 hour job to remove the dash etc, so meanwhile its long johns on and gloves and scarf. Has anyone ever done it? What I dont understand is what could go wrong with the matrix. Is it just a case of the pipes furring up or am I missing the point somewhere. Oh Well , I`m off to sob into my pillow. :'( :'( :'( Cheers Fred |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by 5stud on Dec 2nd, 2008, 7:59pm hi yes its a long fidley job if you dont wont to brake things.with .loades of hiden screws.when you get to the matrex use a copper mk 5 escort one not the plastic one |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Simmo on Dec 2nd, 2008, 8:15pm Fred. That is bad news and yes I think you'll find that the usual cause of the problem is the matrix furring up. The details of the work involved are shown Here (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/matrix.htm) but as 5stud says this is not an easy task. I believe one or two lads have tried using a 'flushing' compouind to try and shift the 'crud' but it has be worth a try I guess. :( |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by mr._floppy on Dec 2nd, 2008, 8:55pm Unless the matrix is leaking I would try the backward flushing again or just wear more clothes, I've seen the gruesome pictures of the matrix replacement procedure and it's not a pretty sight :'( |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Highlander on Dec 2nd, 2008, 9:07pm Hmmmm spending a few hours removing the dash and installing a matrix or driving around all winter in a frozen car... I know what I'd be doing!! ;D Mine was bad enough when the fan stopped blowing for a week and that was with the heat still coming through when the car was moving! Get the dash off!! Its not airlocked possibly?? have you tried running it with the heater hoses off to see if the water comes through the pipes/matrix? |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by gost on Dec 2nd, 2008, 9:18pm Highlander, what did you do to cure fan not working?, Thats my problem at the moment |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Highlander on Dec 2nd, 2008, 9:34pm HBC was broken, replaced it |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Scorpio_Mike on Dec 2nd, 2008, 9:48pm Didn't someone come up with a method of removing the heater matrix without removing the dash ??? Something along the lines of cutting part of the heater box out with a Dremel tool or similar, sliding it out into the drivers footwell and sticking the bit back with silicone sealant - although I'd use Duct tape myself - swear by it ;D My Mk3 Granada Scorpio had a non-working heater matrix but I took the easy option and traded it in ;) |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by gost on Dec 2nd, 2008, 9:49pm Thanks |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 2nd, 2008, 10:21pm on 12/02/08 at 20:15:27, Simmo wrote:
Having read through the instructions my eyes started to glaze over. I think in this case I`ll just have to close my eyes and reach for my wallet. The guys at the garage are pretty competent though, so I expect they will be able to sort it out. |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 2nd, 2008, 10:23pm on 12/02/08 at 19:59:41, 5stud wrote:
Thanks 5stud, I`ll ask the garage lads to use a copper one if possible. The car itself is in very good condition, so I`ll get the job done professionally. Watch this space! |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by ricky on Dec 2nd, 2008, 11:36pm check the flow through the heater, if its bad get a local plumber to connect up his power flushing unit and it can be descaled in situ |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Jonnycab on Dec 3rd, 2008, 12:37am When I replaced my matrix 3 years ago it took me 2 days from start to finish (first time I'd ever done it), so if the garage reckon they can do the whole job for £300 then get them to put that in writing cos it's a d**n good price :o, seeing as the matrix itself costs about £110 from Ford......Don't get one of those cheapo £30 ones off Ebay that say for Granada/Sierra. They don't fit through the centre hole in the heater box...believe me, I've tried ::)..... ;) Good luck :) |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 3rd, 2008, 4:54am Thanks Jonnycab, will do. cheers Freddieboy |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Matt on Dec 3rd, 2008, 5:48pm the dash isnt that hard to remove to be honest, ive had them out in less then an hour, and its all 10mm sockets or a number 8 torx i think. the matrix can be the tricky bit but theres no way its a 5 hour job |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by mr._floppy on Dec 3rd, 2008, 6:08pm Freddieboy, I'm a bit apprehensive about you letting your local FMD trainees get laid into the pristine delicate plastic trim and the fiddly clips, screws, tags and multi-plugs that lurk behind the dash. :o Oh, I can't look Good Luck, and make sure the job is done to your satisfaction before handing over your life savings. ??? |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 3rd, 2008, 6:31pm Well I`m an old geezer now and I dont relish doing gymnastics in my cold car in the even colder garage! I recently took out the dash to replace bulbs behind the temp guage. The worst part was trying to seperate the many different electrical connectors behind the fascia. If it all goes wrong you`ll find me on the Nissan Micra Drivers Club site }{ }{ ;D cheers all, freddieboy p.s. Why do they specify that the instrument cluster must be kept upright? |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Dave2302 on Dec 3rd, 2008, 7:39pm Freddie, I tried commercial chemical de-scaling compounds, back flushing under pressure, airline, bleeding etc....Sorry to be a party pooper, but none of this made much difference and certainly didn't give any apreciable heat for more than a few miles, then back to square one :( My experience was that all this was a waste of time, should've just fitted the new matrix first off.... I did mine in a fully equipped workshop, have plenty of experience etc, and the whole job from start to finish took me 6 hours. I beleive that the "book time" is well in excess of this so I'd be getting the quote in writing first. ;) Also Dash out has been mentioned, which definitely does have to come out to avoid straining things, including yr neck lol, but also there is a lot of other bits, centre console, steering wheel and airbags, under bonnet bits etc that have to come off in order to make a good job of it, ie without trying to force things past here and there etc. ;) Personally If I was pricing it as a job I'd want £500 quid plus the matrix cost. As was said earlier, fit a genuine one too, and I cleaned the heater box out and made sure all the flaps were free and gave it a thorough looking at before putting it back. Now it's done though it's well worth it... :) HTH Dave |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 3rd, 2008, 8:28pm Thanks Dave, Comments noted. Will keep the forum posted on the ongoing saga. :( |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by ren on Dec 3rd, 2008, 9:00pm Hi Had mine done at my local garage,bought the matrix of fordpart.uk cost around £116.00 the garage charged me £140.00 to fit,i had my old one off them,you can see why backflushing DOESN'T work,ask to see yours, or have it back and try and descale it,ive only been able to clean out 2 of the 7 u bend pipes that make up the matrix, ren |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Jonnycab on Dec 4th, 2008, 2:46am Steering wheel & airbags don't have to be removed (although the passenger airbag has to be unplugged). I didn't remove them when I replaced my heater matrix.....only had to pull the dash out about 5 inches :) One thing I did have to do though was to undo the brake pedal bolt & swing the brake pedal sideways so I could manoeuvre the matrix out, because the pedal was in the way ::) Some pics of the fun I had ::)....but don't think it was warm just because the sun is shining....it was February & it was bitterly cold :( Everything removed & dash pulled forward.... http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/jonnycab/P4060002-1.jpg Brake pedal swung sideways.... http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/jonnycab/P4060004-1.jpg Heater box with matrix removed........note the centre aperture is smaller than the entry aperture. That's why the cheapo pattern part Granada/Sierra matrix (which has a big bulbous plastic end) doesn't fit ::) http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i101/jonnycab/P4060003-1.jpg |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 4th, 2008, 5:12am Yes John, see what you mean. The garage guy said that they will use the proper part. Apparently the older cars used copper (as with rads) but nowadays most replacements are plastic. I`m not bothered as long as I get some heat into the footwell. I have to drive to Penzance and back before xmas, so I`ll need it. I have used a garage in Leigh for the last five years, and they have always given good service and reliability, which is rare these days. The car is going in at 8.30 this morning. Fingers Crossed. cheers fred :( |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by gozz on Dec 4th, 2008, 10:25am Fred. I bet you'll think it's worth every penny 8).Thanks for doing the photos of the meet,very good.Don't forget to update us on the heater saga ! GOZZ. |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Tompion on Dec 4th, 2008, 10:44am Fred If you can get it the old one back I’d be interested to see it at a Kent meet. Good luck Dave |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 4th, 2008, 12:07pm Yes, they usually give the old parts back, it saves their bin overflowing. I might even frame it and hang it in the garage as a reminder! By the way, I came across a geneva movement which was a test piece when I was training to be an instrument maker. You would know all about them. See you at the next meet. cheers fred. |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Simmo on Dec 4th, 2008, 1:56pm on 12/04/08 at 10:44:08, Tompion wrote:
I feel another 'Tompion' mod coming on!!. ;D |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Dave2302 on Dec 4th, 2008, 4:47pm I hear and see what Johnny is saying about not completely removing airbag and steering wheel, but as I said I took the whole heater right out of the car and gave it a thorough overhaul, cos I didnt wanna do this much work and then have further problems say sticking flap motors etc in the future. Also I didn't want to be straining wiring etc with it all just hanging there, and by removing the whole dash from the car you don't have to take the pedal box apart or be a contortionist lol.....Swings and roundabouts really ;) And yes I cut the old one up and I too could see exactly why flushing etc doesn't work ;D Regards Dave |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by gozz on Dec 4th, 2008, 5:22pm Fred. When you get the old matrix back,you could put it in your fridge to save leccy ;D GOZZ |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 4th, 2008, 8:12pm on 12/04/08 at 17:22:37, gozz wrote:
I think the matrix would be too cold for the fridge---- but the freezer might be ok! ;D |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Tompion on Dec 4th, 2008, 10:29pm on 12/04/08 at 13:56:37, Simmo wrote:
;D Mine’s been working fine since I last blasted it through with steam (I don’t expect it to last). The least successful was back flushing with mains water – plenty of water going through but not much debris came out. I’ve used descaler etc as others have but it doesn’t usually last for long. I did get about a dozen little bits of twisted plastic out about 3mm x 5mm these were covered in a sort of resin (possibly a rad sealer), they looked like swarf (top of picture). Anyone know the internal diameter of the pipes? The last time I steamed it & blew it through while hot I got a couple of twists of plastic (bottom of picture) 3.5mm dia x 30mm long (twist the wrong way to come from a drill), I’m wondering if the pipes are lined with these and they’re breaking up. http://i.imgur.com/h7fpO1d.jpgg |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 4th, 2008, 11:25pm Hi, All will be revealed hopefully by tomorrow p.m, when I hope to collect the beast from the garage. I will certainly be interested to see the condition of the original unit after 12+ years of use. Cheers fred |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Jonnycab on Dec 5th, 2008, 12:26am My old heater matrix was in a sorry state when I removed it. Not only was it severely restricted, it was leaking slightly & had alot of green gunge around the leak area ???......possibly the result of a leak stopper ? :-/ Also the in & out plastic pipes had become so brittle & broken that there wasn't much left of them where the rubber pipes fit over the ends.....that explains the little bits of plastic that kept coming out when I repeatedly flushed the system ::) When I tried to blow through what was left of the in/out pipes, all I got was a load of gurgling from inside the matrix & had to blow real hard to get the air to come out the outlet ::) Blowing through a new matrix is just like blowing through a short pipe.....no resistance ;) Hopefully you'll have a hot Scorp by Friday night ;) |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 5th, 2008, 9:07am Fingers and Toes crossed! :) |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Malcolm73 on Dec 5th, 2008, 10:43am I have read jonnycab’s last post about the condition of the matrix. I used a radiator flush a year ago with reasonable success but I no longer have hot air and there is a faint smell from the air vents. I was intending to flush just the matrix with an external pump but from jonny’s post a new matrix seems to be the answer. Freddieboy:- I shall read the outcome of your problem with interest and the expectation of exercising my wallet. Malcolm |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Jonnycab on Dec 5th, 2008, 3:15pm Malcolm, that was the condition of my matrix, yours may not be as bad :-/ . It always worth trying to flush it again before going to the last resort & fitting a new matrix ;)..... :) |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Jonnycab on Dec 7th, 2008, 3:14am Freddieboy, I'm getting worried, you've not updated us on how the operation went......no complications I hope :) |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 7th, 2008, 10:31am Hi Jon, Delays have arisen because the correct unit wasn`t supplied to the garage on three occasions. I heard from the garage on saturday morning that the correct unit is on "back order" from essex ford, so may be Tuesday or Weds next week. Bit of a disappointment, but contrary to some posts it has to be the correct unit, as others just wont fit without being adapted. My scorp is totally standard so I dont want any pattern cheapo imitation parts fitted. Will keep you posted on future developments cheers fred |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Tompion on Dec 7th, 2008, 10:37pm Fred If you get stuck, in this thread he says he got one from Kempston radiators: http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Problems;action=display;num=1119600197 http://www.kempstonradiators.com/heaters.htm Dave |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by ren on Dec 7th, 2008, 11:13pm Hi Freddieboy As said before got mine from Fordpart.uk in january of this year,at a cost of £111.01 including delivery, part No 1041093, and as ive said after trying for 11 months without the matrix in the car(obvious b/c i put a new one in)i still am not able to clear more than 2 pipes,to do a succesfull flush,you need the inlet pipe to be a continuouse pipe feed to the outlet pipe,and the scorpio matrix does not do that,off the main inlet plastic pipe there are 7 small alluminimum pipes,which u bend back,to give 7 small outlets into the plastic outlet pipe,so when water is forced along the plastic inlet and hits the end,water will be forced down the 2 top inlets,and once forced a way through those its not going to force a way through the other pipes,thats why members report a slight increas in warmth ,im not saying flushing will 100% not work,just letting people know why if they do it,and it hasnt worked,they have a reason ren Welcome any comments from those who have changed the mattrix,and on observation of it,just in case there were other designs than mine, i still have my old one so i know how that is designed and that my information is based on that. ren |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by ren on Dec 7th, 2008, 11:33pm Hi posting that info as told me how i can try to clear the other pipes,if i can find something which will reasonabley fit the inlet pipe,so it stops the force of water at differing stages along the pipe, rubber plugs with a hole drilled in centre to attach wire thro so i can repull them out, could work. ren |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Jonnycab on Dec 8th, 2008, 1:17am Ren, you make a good point there ;)....flushing doesn't necassarily work, because the water doesn't have to go through all the veins in order to exit the matrix. The whole matrix has to be flowing with hot coolant for it to produce good heat, but if the veins are blocked or restricted then only a minimal amount of water is flowing through maybe a couple of veins, so turning on the blower will only give a quick blast of heat :) Since I replaced my matrix (& before), I have read loads of different techniques of trying to unblock the matrix & none have ever worked long term....from flushing it for hours (not good if you're on a water meter) to filling it with limescale remover & leaving it to soak for a couple of days :-/....have even read about filling it with Coca Cola or Pepsi in the hope the phosphoric acid in these sugary products may somehow be the miracle cure to a blocked matrix ??? I think that once the scale & stodge gets into those very thin veins, then it is almost impossible to clear it....plus the fact that limescale being an alkali, may have actually eaten through the aluminium matrix & caused it to leak ;) How long a matrix lasts is all down to whether the vehicle has been properly serviced in the past & basic (Ford) servicing doesn't usually include a cooling system flush & fresh antifreeze. Also, depending on what area of the country you live in, you are probably more likely to have more problems in a hard water area :) |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Jonnycab on Dec 8th, 2008, 1:38am Freddieboy, I can't understand why Ford can't supply the correct matrix ???.....oh yea, sorry, it's Essex Ford ::).....I don't bother with them anymore...they're useless >:( Tell the garage to ring Dovercourt Ford in Chelmsford....they're much better ;).....I ordered my matrix (2.3 with aircon....they're all different apparently ::)) from them. I rang them late afternoon & asked if they could get it to the (smaller, but nearer to me) South Woodham Dovercourt the next morning......."no problem, It'll be there by 10am"....& it was :o..... 8) Are you sure the garage aren't spinning you a yarn because they didn't realise the magnitude of the Scorpio matrix replacement & they're still scatching their heads about how best to tackle it ? ;D |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Snoopy on Dec 8th, 2008, 7:23am Or Even Try Trevor Porter at Ford Parts UK (http://www.fordpartsuk.com/) He can usually source things , if there are any to be sourced . |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 8th, 2008, 9:08am on 12/08/08 at 01:38:20, Jonnycab wrote:
Thanks Jon, I rang the garage this morning and gave them the Dovercourt Ford info plus the Kempston Rads Bedford number, plus the core size etc. They even tried County Radiators, who specialise in rebuilds, but no go. Everybody seems to have given them the runaround, I dont blame them at all. Hopefully the new contacts will come up trumps. :'( Meanwhile the only upside is that I`m saving fuel! cheers fred |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by gozz on Dec 8th, 2008, 5:45pm Fred. I can see you nipping out and buying a Skoda ;D GOZZ |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Snoopy on Dec 8th, 2008, 6:49pm Could do worse ! |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by gozz on Dec 8th, 2008, 10:20pm TRABANT 8) |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by mr._floppy on Dec 8th, 2008, 10:56pm I know many garages think it the height of impudence and they can be surprisingly huffy and sometimes refuse the work, but I always buy the part/s first [obviously not service items] which cuts out the interminable amount of time wasted by them sourcing an item that you found and paid for after only 5 minutes online. A lot cheaper too. 8) |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Jonnycab on Dec 10th, 2008, 2:19am Fred wrote..."They even tried County Radiators, who specialise in rebuilds, but no go." County Rads in Basildon don't seem to have heard of the Scorp ???.... I rang them a while back about a rad for a 2.3 & guess what ?....they don't do those either ???......& they're supposed to be one of the best rad suppliers in the country ::) |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by gozz on Dec 10th, 2008, 8:56am Mr Floppy. Have you attempted to wrench Cosworth parts from Ford in 5 minutes ? I still await their efforts after 5 months or more,"still on back order mate" is the stock reply ::) GOZZ. |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 10th, 2008, 4:56pm Hello All. Got the car back at 3pm this afternoon. heater working well. Total cost was £328.90. The matrix was supplied by Kempston Radiators of Bedford (tel.01234 852073) and they sent the correct part within 24hrs (part no. 4001250). The only downside is that the car has got to go back tomorrow because the anti theft alarm and the front parking sensors arent working. Not surprising really considering the amount of electrics behind the dash. But the heater is excellent. Thanks to all of you who took an interest and gave advice. cheers fred |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 10th, 2008, 5:12pm http://s423.photobucket.com/albums/pp312/freddieboy39/?action=view¤t=10122008239.jpg Just a couple of shots of the removed unit plus kent meet shots reposted. |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by gozz on Dec 10th, 2008, 5:15pm Fred. Good on yer,half the worth of the car eh ! money well spent I reckon though,better spending a few quid on the devil you know,than shelling out mega money on an unknown cast off 8) All the best GOZZ |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Simmo on Dec 10th, 2008, 7:14pm Fred, That's great news... glad you're sorted. As Gozz says better the devil you know etc. Just remember to hang on to the old unit for Tompion to tinker with!!. ;D |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by gost on Dec 10th, 2008, 7:20pm well done fred |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by mr._floppy on Dec 10th, 2008, 7:33pm Good news, plenty of warm air now, all set for the British winter. This is when you wished that your seat heaters worked. A toasty bum, nothing nicer when the temp takes a dive :-* |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 10th, 2008, 7:59pm On closer inspection, the anti theft system is working-( I can hear the two seperate operations when locking manually or by keyfob) but there is no double flash of the side repeater lamps and indicators. does anyone have a clue where this circuit is fed from? I may be able to fix it myself IF ITS ACCESSIBLE ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Highlander on Dec 10th, 2008, 8:03pm It needs to be programmed in by the FDS or WDS, your car just wont have in enabled |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 10th, 2008, 8:11pm on 12/10/08 at 20:03:08, Highlander wrote:
It was working before it went to have the heater fixed. cheers fred |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Highlander on Dec 10th, 2008, 8:15pm possibly been reset then? I've heard of it going off after working on the car which means reprogramming. never heard of it being a physical problem before. |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 10th, 2008, 8:38pm Its only the fact that the indicators no longer flash twice when the alarm is activated, whereas they did work before . So although the alarm sets ok, there is no visual indication of this. cheers fred |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Tompion on Dec 10th, 2008, 8:57pm Are the hazard lights still working? Dave |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Cosray - The Hague - Holland on Dec 10th, 2008, 9:02pm on 12/10/08 at 20:11:07, freddieboy wrote:
For what it is worth: Hi when I had my heater matrix replaced earlier this year, after repair the LED on the dash stayed ON and the car would not start or -- sometimes yes it would - erratic. It would not lock and then it would etc. My repairman and myself then went under the dash, under the heaterunit around the passenger footwell (LHD!) and found a loose connection, supposedly a ground wire, around an orange relay? or junctionbox? cannot remember, which we fastened. It had come loose during the rebuild operation which was quite laborious and dangled there, just forgotten. Worked ever since without fail. HTH, Ray |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 10th, 2008, 11:03pm on 12/10/08 at 20:57:00, Tompion wrote:
Yes Dave, everythings working fine. I noticed that in the drivers manual it states that the indicators flash depending on country, or words to that effect. Anyway I`ve been out in the garage all evening, and I`ve checked out all the circuits, and they all appear to be OK. Even the small red led on top of the dash is indicating that the anti theft system is working. I think I`ll live with the small problem with the indicator, as I dont relish the garage taking the dash out again. Disturbing it further is pushing my luck! As far as the front parking sensors are concerned, thats comparatively easy, as the control box is just behind the radio, and I suspect that one of the very thin guage wires has come adrift. All in all I`m satisfied with the main job. Thanks for your interest, and I`ve saved the old matrix for your inspection. cheers now fred. p.s. It could be something to do with the relay not re-setting itself after re-cnnecting the battery :-/ |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 10th, 2008, 11:09pm Thanks Cosray for your comments, as you can see from my previous post, I dont have any major problems, so I`ll tackle them at a later date. thanks anyway, Fred. |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Jonnycab on Dec 11th, 2008, 12:59am Front parking sensors ?.........I didn't know Scorps had these ??? |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 11th, 2008, 3:50am on 12/11/08 at 00:59:16, Jonnycab wrote:
I had them fitted professionally a year ago, cos my eyesight aint as good as it used to be }{ |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Highlander on Dec 11th, 2008, 1:32pm Maybe new specs would be a better idea?? ;) How do they work then Freddy? Can you override them? switch them on and off? Got any pics? I've wondered about fitting the Scorpio rear sensors to the front but never done much more than thought about it :) |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Waglet on Dec 11th, 2008, 2:58pm Just completed reading the heater saga, excellent stuff. I had rear parking sensors on a previous Scorp and miss them coz there aren't any on the current one! I too would be interested in getting front and rear ones 'professionally' fitted. Who did yours Mr Freddie? |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by big_neil on Dec 11th, 2008, 7:09pm you shouldn,t need them professionally fitted waglet,they are so easy to fit ,the hardest bit is getting the holes aligned with one another and making it look straight. then there is one wire to the reversing lights and one to earth. there are loads of kits on the market depending on your want. |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by mr._floppy on Dec 11th, 2008, 8:07pm Yeah, easy peasy. I fitted a set to my Crown Victoria which work of the reversing light 12v supply. Fitting to the front and rear of the Scorp should be just as easy. |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Chieftain on Dec 11th, 2008, 8:37pm Also saw in Maplins a kit that means you do not have to drill any holes, sensors are fitted into a new number plate surround and wires taken through existing grommits. |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Simmo on Dec 12th, 2008, 5:44pm The number plate ones are usually only two and 'stick on'. You really need four sensors ;)to get a full spread of cover. I fitted a set to my Estate and they are excellent. If you go for a front and rear set you have to have power to them all the time as opposed to rear only which can be connected in to the reversing light supply. They are simple to fit, usually supplied with a 'hole cutter' and available colour coded. ;) |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by scorpio_man on Dec 12th, 2008, 5:49pm http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/8proximity.htm hth |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 14th, 2008, 9:49am Hi All, Havent been too active on the site lately as I`ve been out partying. Just to answer a few points. 1) Re Front Sensors Had my mate check the circuit out and there were no loose/broken wires. He is going to get some info from the makers early next week. The control unit is placed behind the radio for easy access, and seems to be in working order. He seems to think it might have to be re-programmed, as the power was off for almost a week. The system was quite expensive as I didnt want stick-ons. The bumpers were drilled and the sensors were painted state blue to match the car. As far as the anti theft indicator repeater problem is concerned, the garage is going to put the car on a diagnostic check, which should reset the various components back to pre heater state. I think that the lack of power over the few days has lost the various memory functions on some of the circuits, and they need to be reset. One other thing I noticed is that the drivers door window now doesnt operate on "one touch" closing, probably due to the same reset problem. Anyway folks, the heater is first class now. When the outside temp has been down to -1 degrees, I had the settings on 22 degrees in the car and that was too much, it had to be reduced to 18degrees. (all on auto setting) Anyway, once again, thanks for all your posts and interest over the past couple of weeks. I should find out more about the various resets during the week, so I`ll keep you posted. Cheers Fred Wren. |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Simmo on Dec 14th, 2008, 11:12am Fred, Good to hear things are getting sorted. The 'one touch' window fix is listed in the fault finder HERE (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/faultfinds.htm) so you can sort that easily enough. Best wishes, Mike. ;) |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 14th, 2008, 12:38pm Thanks Simmo, Window sorted. I wish there was a similar fix to reset the alarm set/indicator visual prob. cheers Fred |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Cosray - The Hague - Holland on Dec 14th, 2008, 11:13pm Fred, I remember having read somewhere on the website, probably around the Remote Fob pages, that using the WDS/FDS2000 OBD one can program 1, 2 flashes or none for alarm setting, thus production allowing for country dependent laws. The Swiss are different than the Germans etc. It may also be on one of my TIS CD-ROMS, I will have a look. Ring a bell for anyone? Ray |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 16th, 2008, 12:25pm Hello cosray The car is going on to a diagnostic machine this afternoon, so hopefully all will be sorted. thanks Fred |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Chieftain on Dec 16th, 2008, 5:35pm on 12/12/08 at 17:44:48, Simmo wrote:
No these are not, they are fitted into the frame that goes behind the number plate (supplied) so they are a firm fit. Would be alright if you were not wanting to drill holes, at least they will not fall off once the sticky pads wear off ;D |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 17th, 2008, 11:03am on 12/14/08 at 23:13:22, Cosray - The Hague - Holland wrote:
All systems checked and found to be OK. Maybe Tompion can programme the above code in when we next meet. cheers Fred |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Simmo on Dec 17th, 2008, 1:12pm on 12/17/08 at 11:03:54, freddieboy wrote:
Fred, We know he's a miracle worker BUT unless I'm mistaken this can only be done with the FDS 2000 kit which is a main dealer unit. |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Highlander on Dec 17th, 2008, 6:29pm on 12/17/08 at 13:12:01, Simmo wrote:
Yes and no, I have an FDS 2000 in the spare room ;) |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by gozz on Dec 17th, 2008, 8:24pm Highlander. Is the room big enough to get his Scorp in ? ;D GOZZ. |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Tompion on Dec 17th, 2008, 8:51pm I suspect it’s just a problem with a wire/connecter that feeds the flasher relay. You could check it really is double locking – leave a window open, double lock it, reach in and check that you can’t open the door. (Be ready with the key in case the alarm goes off). |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Jonnycab on Dec 18th, 2008, 3:07am Or stand by the petrol cap & double lock it to see if you can hear it double lock :) |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Dec 18th, 2008, 6:17am Hello All, Yes, the double locking is working, as I can hear it operating, and the led above the dash is giving the right signal. Its not worth the time and money to get my local main dealer to recode the unit so I`ll leave it at that for now. Thanks for all the interesting comments. I hope you all have a good Christmas holiday, and I`m looking forward to the next Kent meet in the new year. All the Best. Freddieboy :) :) :) |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Simmo on Dec 18th, 2008, 8:52am on 12/17/08 at 18:29:52, Highlander wrote:
;D ;D I NEARLY mentioned that Stuart but I thought it might be a tad too far for Fred to drive!!. Have you mastered the instuction manual yet?. ;) Mike |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Highlander on Dec 18th, 2008, 7:56pm Getting there Mike :) first real test will be this Saturday, have got a diesel with a battery drain, going to unleash the FDS and see what it comes up with ;) |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by ren on Jan 4th, 2009, 11:11pm Hi did Tompion get the matrix of this car, it was mentioned he may be doing a 'mod' with it. |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by freddieboy on Jan 5th, 2009, 8:58am on 01/04/09 at 23:11:14, ren wrote:
No, Its locked up in my safe at the moment ;D I`m waiting for the next Kent meet to hand it over I doubt if anything can be done with it due to its unusual design. The new one was well worth the outlay, after 5 mins from sub zero and settings at 22degrees, the heat is almost unbearable. Lovely :) Cheers fred |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Jonnycab on Jan 5th, 2009, 11:23am Freddieboy wrote "I`m waiting for the next Kent meet to hand it over. I doubt if anything can be done with it due to its unusual design" Never underestimate Tompion ;)....... ;D |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Simmo on Jan 5th, 2009, 8:26pm ;D [] |
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Title: Re: The bad news.....and the bad news.... Post by Tompion on Jan 5th, 2009, 8:57pm ::) ::) ::) I’ll regret saying this, but my heating is fine (perhaps not as fierce as it should be though) since I last steamed the matrix. Had it to 26 with an outside temp of -5 on Saturday morning. I know it won’t last, so I’d still like to see Fred’s old matrix, so I can measure up to hopefully clear each tube individually. Of course if I manage that it’ll start leaking. I don’t really want to have my dashboard out as someone has had the dash off before and broken a lot of the plastic hence I keep tying to fix the matrix in situ. |
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