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(Message started by: timduffy7 on Mar 31^st, 2009, 8:19pm)

Title: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Mar 31^st, 2009, 8:19pm

Hi I'm having electrical problems and hope you may be able to help.
I was driving the car the other day along a straight road, when I noticed the dash needles all died ?? When I got home I could then see alot more had stopped working as well.
Switch the car of and tried to start again ?
No lights in dash-nothing. Starter cranks and starts OK then runs OK. The only problem with its running --- when you let the trottle off it comes down to tick over but seems to run a little fast for a few seconds then settles down to normal tick over.
As well as dash not working Temp control readout, heater blower and Steering colum controls not working---no indicators no wipers Also no electric windows working. I have checked all fuses in both fuse boxs they are OK. Removed all relays and put them back incase there was bad connection. I have tried a new battery incase it was a low voltage problem. But it is still the same???
No Dash no wipers no heater blower no eletric windows no indicators.
THE HAZARD FLASHERS are working Radio working electric seats working ?????? HELP
Hoping someone will tell me "theres a little reset button LOL LOL
Many thanks for any replies.
Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Mar 31^st, 2009, 8:47pm

Have you had the drivers side fusebox multiplug off?

Make sure its seated correctly, there are two small lugs on the end of it that have to be located underneath their holders before the multiplug is pushed down..

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by wojtekor on Mar 31^st, 2009, 9:48pm

main fusebox is dead. it may look OK from outside but inside [when you strip it] it's most likely corroded...

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Tompion on Apr 1^st, 2009, 1:44am

Might be worth checking the 60 & 80amp fuses in the Auxiliary fuse box, I II & III.

Dave

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 1^st, 2009, 12:10pm

Hi thanks for your info. I have checked all fuses including 60/80 amp fuses----all are OK. Have checked multiplug again all looks OK. But still the same, ie dash windows wipers blower motor Dead ??? Central fuse box looks OK ???
If I have to change central fuse box, can I get it out from the outside of the car or do I have to go under the Dash from inside the car. ???
Thanks again for all your help ???? Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by scorpio_man on Apr 1^st, 2009, 1:03pm

hi there

it's an under the dash job, but i'd have another look at that multi plug. are your lights (front and rear) still working?

hth

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 1^st, 2009, 2:19pm

Thanks Scorpio_man. Yes all lights are working accept indicators. Even the nightlights in the dash.

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by scorpio_man on Apr 1^st, 2009, 4:00pm

hi there

just had a thought, is all the dash lights doing their checks when you turn on the ignition? abs light, battery light, etc?

am i right in saying that all the things NOT working are on the ignition side (position 2 with the key)?

might be the ignition switch?

hth

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 1^st, 2009, 5:19pm

Hi Scorpio_man. Nothing in the dash works at any time it dosnt matter what position the key is in or if the engine is running or not. The only thing working at any time in the dash is the night lights when you switch on the main lights. Before I did not mention the auto dipping mirror is not powering on either. Do you know if there are any (inline) fuses any where! I will go out and fiddle with the iginition key to see if I can get any life out of it. Thanks for your guidence. Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by wojtekor on Apr 1^st, 2009, 5:29pm

u can't run away from it... you need to rebuild your fuseboxes... and i can guarantee that all your problems will disappear...

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 1^st, 2009, 5:49pm

Thanks Wojtekor LOL LOL any chance of you emailing me you phone number for advice on how to go about it ? how much will it cost me ? Lots of questions ????
Scorpio_man could be on to something. as everything not working is on the ignition side ???? I took the cover of the steering colum but dont see anything abnormal ? Thanks for your comments.
Thanks Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 1^st, 2009, 5:50pm

timduffy7@hotmail.com

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by wojtekor on Apr 1^st, 2009, 6:01pm

start here;

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/fusebox.htm

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/fusebox2.htm

if you need any help ask here...

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 1^st, 2009, 7:58pm

Thanks wojtekor will get a look. I am not great with computers so your help is much appreciated. Thanks Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by wojtekor on Apr 1^st, 2009, 8:14pm

no probs.

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 1^st, 2009, 8:48pm

Hang on!! Dont go ripping your fusebox out yet!!

I'm pretty sure Scorpioman's on the button with the ignition switch, the ignition switch has about a foot of loom with it then it has a multiplug connection under the dash, easy to replace or even plug in another one just to try it.

If you pm me your address I'll send you another ignition switch to try, just a matter of plugging it in and turning the switch with a screwdriver to try it.

Just another wee thought, remove the multiplug from the rear of the headlight switch then see if the ignition lights come on

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by wojtekor on Apr 1^st, 2009, 9:03pm

this might not be a bad idea although i don't believe that it is a matter of the switch... but sure it's worth a try and if it doesn't work [most likely] then you'll have to rip out those fuseboxes.

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 1^st, 2009, 9:16pm

on 04/01/09 at 21:03:16, wojtekor wrote:

this might not be a bad idea although i don't believe that it is a matter of the switch... but sure it's worth a try and if it doesn't work [most likely] then you'll have to rip out those fuseboxes.

All the evidence points to the ignition switch as the first point to check (and the easiest)

Replacing the fusebox is WAY down the faultfinding line at the moment ;)

Indeed I've never heard a fusebox give this particular problem.

Can you explain your reasoning as to why you dont expect the ignition switch to be at fault and suspect the fusebox(es)

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by wojtekor on Apr 1^st, 2009, 9:47pm

Highlander, sure, here's my analysis ;)

on 04/01/09 at 17:19:02, timduffy7 wrote:

the dash needles all died

usually suggests bad/faulty soldering in the back of the dash which needs redoing

on 04/01/09 at 17:19:02, timduffy7 wrote:

No lights in dash-nothing.

suggests there's a problem with a fuse/relay or the fusebox in general

on 04/01/09 at 17:19:02, timduffy7 wrote:

As well as dash not working Temp control readout, heater blower and Steering colum controls not working---no indicators no wipers Also no electric windows working.

fuse/fusebox/loom problem

on 04/01/09 at 17:19:02, timduffy7 wrote:

No Dash no wipers no heater blower no eletric windows
the auto dipping mirror is not powering on either

fuse/fusebox/loom problem

on 04/01/09 at 17:19:02, timduffy7 wrote:

no indicators but THE HAZARD FLASHERS are working

indicators/hazard flashers switch problem

###################

So in the end if i was going to bet i'd say it's the fusebox or the loom.

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 1^st, 2009, 9:54pm

bad soldering, fusebox and a faulty idicator switch all failing at the same time? ;)

Ignition switch failure covers all the faults ;)

Ok whats the bet!! }{

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Tompion on Apr 1^st, 2009, 10:00pm

Yes certainly looks like ignition switch/loom related, he said "night lights" in dash working they don't need key on nor do the hazards.

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by wojtekor on Apr 1^st, 2009, 10:05pm

my point was that every non-working piece of equipment in this case, suggests a different failure. since it's not possible for all of those faults to occur in the same time [ok,it is possible but very unlikely] there has to be one major cause which would be the loom or the fuseboxes.

although the ignition switch failure covers all the faults it's not likely to brake down.

concluding, if i was going to bet I'd say it's the fusebox or loom as these are two most common electric fault causers.

if it's the switch I owe you a pint ;) but if it's not I'm taking your Suzuki :P

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 1^st, 2009, 10:12pm

I'm almost that confident that I'd take that bet!! ;D

But not quite, after all you and TimDuffy may be the same person and this is a very elaborate sting set up to steal my wee Jeep!! ;)

Yeah yeah I watch too much telly I know!! ;)

Ok you're on for a pint!! ;)

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by wojtekor on Apr 1^st, 2009, 10:28pm

on 04/01/09 at 22:12:29, Highlander wrote:

after all you and TimDuffy may be the same person and this is a very elaborate sting set up to steal my wee Jeep!! ;)

d**n, u got me :P [ever considered a rehab from TV? ;)]

on 04/01/09 at 22:12:29, Highlander wrote:

Ok you're on for a pint!! ;)

Bring on the pain! :P

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 2^nd, 2009, 9:56am

Hi can anyone tell me how to check the ignition switch. Is it possible to check the wires with a multimetre ?
thanks Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 2^nd, 2009, 3:16pm

PM me your address and i'll send you another one to try

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 2^nd, 2009, 5:47pm

Thanks Highlander thanks wojtekor This post should be getting 12 out of 10 for entertainment. LOL
The opptomist in me says Ignition Switch, The pessimist in me says Fuse Box ??? But hell witch one ?
We shall see !!!!!
Thanks for all your help.
Thanks Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by wojtekor on Apr 2^nd, 2009, 7:14pm

you need to let us know which one :)

it's a matter of pint :P

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 3^rd, 2009, 9:15am

Tim, just tell wojtekor it was the ignition switch, he owes me a pint for a reflector so you can have the one for the switch ;)

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by wojtekor on Apr 3^rd, 2009, 11:07am

>:( Rrrrrrr....!

don't be so sure. it's the fusebox and we're even when it comes to pints ;)

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 5^th, 2009, 2:51pm

Thanks for all the help, I'll buy you both a pint if/when I get this sorted out.
Cheers Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 6^th, 2009, 11:38am

Posted today Tim, add another Guinness to my tally ;)

The multiplug for the ignition switch is behind small coin box, down on your right hand side, you can get it from underneath but if you dont know where or what you are looking for and cant see it you'd be better removing the panel with the coin box and bonnet lever, only a couple of screws/torx bits.

If you stick your key in the ignition as normal, plug the new ignition switch in then turn the new switch with a screwdriver it should start

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 6^th, 2009, 4:17pm

Thanks Highlander. Fingers crossed now. PM me your address and I will post you a Pint of the Black Stuff. !!!

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 8^th, 2009, 9:16pm

Ok, replacing the ignition switch didnt work. :-/

Did you try unplugging the multiplug from the back of the light switch and see if that made any difference?

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by wojtekor on Apr 8^th, 2009, 9:49pm

on 04/08/09 at 21:16:27, Highlander wrote:

Ok, replacing the ignition switch didnt work. :-/

fuseboxes!!! :P i told you so. ;)

Highlander, i guess that you owe me a Suzuki? :) or at least we're even when it comes to pints ;)

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 8^th, 2009, 10:13pm

now now hang on, at the moment its not the fusebox either ;)

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by wojtekor on Apr 8^th, 2009, 10:22pm

?! did he rebuild those fuseboxes? if not, you can't tell for a 100%...

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 8^th, 2009, 11:16pm

No Not yet ;)

Check the light switch first, then make sure the instrument cluster multiplugs arent loose, test the connections with a multimeter, replace the instrument cluster....

Lots of options yet before we start taking fuseboxes apart ;)

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 8^th, 2009, 11:43pm

Thanks Highlander,I will check out the Light switch and see if I can find Instrument cluster multiplug ???
Can you PM me your address please.

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 8^th, 2009, 11:48pm

I dont want anything for it! lol

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by wojtekor on Apr 9^th, 2009, 12:05am

Quote:

Lots of options yet before we start taking fuseboxes apart

in my opinion rebuilding fuseboxes is the only option ;) we will see...

nevertheless it wasn't the ignition switch, you know my address, please leave the Suzuki on the driveway and keys with my neighbour if nobody is in tomorrow ;) 8) ;D

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 9^th, 2009, 12:36am

its off the road for the moment, have spent tonite removing the arches and sills ready or some MORE welding :)

http://i43.tinypic.com/15ed82.jpg

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by wojtekor on Apr 9^th, 2009, 12:51am

please have it done for me by the end of the week ;D

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by gozz on Apr 9^th, 2009, 8:40am

I reckon he's cutting it up so that you can't have it ;D
GOZZ.

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 9^th, 2009, 11:36am

Hi Highlander I tried with light switch disconnected and then connected up again, but no different. I could just about see the back of the instrument cluster but couldn't see any multiplugs that I could get at. I only have the bottom panel of the steering colum and the panel that holds the bonnet release off? If you could PM me your landline phone number and let me know a time that would be best to ring you it could help me greatly ( I think lololol )

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 13^th, 2009, 11:14am

Hi can anyone tell me if I need to remove the radio in order to pull the instrument cluster forward. If I do, Where do I buy the special removal pins/keys ??? Thanks Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 13^th, 2009, 11:16am

Hi Tim, yes you do, any car shop should have them, sometimes I use small allen keys ;)

PM Sent

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 13^th, 2009, 11:23am

Thanks Highlander, will one allen key do the trick, or do I need too pop all four holes at the same time ???
Thanks Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 13^th, 2009, 11:26am

ideally four at once but you can use two, do top and bottom one side, pull it out past the catches then do the other side, tricky but possible ;)

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 13^th, 2009, 11:28am

Highlander I have now noticed Sunroof not working. door mirror dose not dip when reverse is engaged. Just to let you know. Thanks for help. Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 13^th, 2009, 11:30am

Still ignition related then ;)

Do you have global opening/closing? try that and see what happens

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 13^th, 2009, 11:34am

If it is a Fusebox is it more lightly to be Auxilary or Central. The reason I ask is because, the Auxilary looks straight forward (lollol) where as the Central looks like a bad dream ???

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 13^th, 2009, 11:36am

Dont know if I have global opening
I think the battery in the remote is dead in any case ????

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 13^th, 2009, 11:38am

Central locking is opening and closing with key in the door lock.

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 13^th, 2009, 11:51am

Forgot to mention on the phone...

Global closing/opening is activated by holding the key in the door lock in either the unlock or lock position for a few seconds, try it and see what happens

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 13^th, 2009, 3:20pm

Hi Highlander. tried key in door and windows opened, first front then back !!! Now I'am thinking "how do I get these closed now. After another couple of tries, got them closed. I guess thats Global closing/opening. I got dash removed unpluged and pluged Instrument panel But still no life in Instruments. I just refitted Instrument panel, the rest of the dash is still off, heater panel and lighting panel are not connected up. Will I have to connect everything up to check ????

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Simmo on Apr 13^th, 2009, 4:09pm

The details of Global closing are fully explained in the Handbook (http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/handbook.htm). Pages 33 and 34. The reason the windows and sunroof move at different stages is to avoid overload on the electrics. :)

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by wojtekor on Apr 13^th, 2009, 4:42pm

timduffy7 you put so much effort looking for the failure under the dash with no luck and by this time you'd have rebuilt both your fuseboxes and i'm pretty sure that would solve all your problems...

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 13^th, 2009, 5:12pm

Hi wojtekor I can see the Auxiliary fuse box would be fairly straight forward to rebuild. I have looked at both rebuilds on this site neither say what they repaired ??? Can you tell me how to get the central fuse box out. I have the dash off at the moment and still can't see how to unscrew it ????

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by wojtekor on Apr 13^th, 2009, 5:45pm

they repaired the fuseboxes ;) and all problems associated with them ;) basically fuseboxes tend to catch moist and corrode and then cause weird electrical problems...

the aux fusebox as you said is pretty straight forward but the central fusebox is mounted with 3 screws under the bonnet, and inside just above the pedals you'll find a loom that is connected to it, got to unplug [there are quite a few plugs there] and you'll see 4 more screws in each corner that mount the fusebox to the rest of the car. [got to be pretty flexible to reach there, patience is a must] unscrew, pull out, rebuild ;)

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 13^th, 2009, 7:03pm

Hi Tim,

In the battery side fusebox can you try swapping black relays 18 and 21 over, they are identical, just trying to eliminate relay 21 as a possible fault.

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/battery_fusebox.gif

You have already checked the big fuses in that fuse box yes? the ones at the front? l, ll, and lll on the diagram

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 13^th, 2009, 8:15pm

Thanks wojtekor. I can't see 3 screws under the bonnet never mind the 4 under the dash. Hope your info helps if I have to go that way???
Thanks Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 13^th, 2009, 8:21pm

Many thanks Highlander I will try swapping R16/21 over tomorrow. Yes I checked fuses I II III and all are OK Getting 12v at them. So I expect 12v is going from them over to the Central fuse box???
Many thanks for all your help. Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Tompion on Apr 14^th, 2009, 12:35am

You need to get your head in the footwell & look up to see the bolts for the central fusebox.
You may find it easier to take the drivers seat out, although I can reach it with the seat in place.
Check none of the plugs are loose.

If you have the insulation panel just above the pedals, you’ll need to remove it first.
If the wiring has never been disturbed you may have felt insulation over the fusebox preventing you from seeing it. The insulation is held with 4 clips onto the studs you can see here:
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/fuseboxrearwiring.jpg

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 14^th, 2009, 8:00am

Thanks Tompion, great pic. I can't see any screws under the bonnet side ! are there any to remove on the out-side? Do you know--- if I remove 4 nuts, can I then pull the fusebox out into the scuttle panel and then remove plugs from under the bonnet. as oposed to, first removing them under the dash ???
Thanks Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Tompion on Apr 14^th, 2009, 10:38am

Tim

The picture is on the Scorpio site, if you go here and click on the pictures they will enlarge:
http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/fusebox.htm

Not done the job myself, just had a nose around whilst I was working on something else.
I don’t think the cables will be long enough to pull through without disconnecting the plugs first.

Not sure what the 3 screws wojtekor is referring to, as far as I know it’s just the 4 screws underneath.

Personally I’d do some testing of whether the power is getting to the fusebox before going as far as stripping it down.

Disconnect the battery if you’re doing any serious work on it.

Dave

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by wojtekor on Apr 14^th, 2009, 12:13pm

Hi Tim!

Like Dave said the cables won't be long enough to pull through without disconnecting the plugs first.

When it comes to those screws, there are 4 underneath and in my case there are 3 screws inside the fusebox.

Tim, Dave you don't have them?! Maybe mine's somewhat special ;)

Tim if you really can't see any screws under the bonnet, undo those above the pedals and try to pull it out a bit... You'll then see if it's not mounted anywhere else...

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 14^th, 2009, 1:18pm

According to my sources there is ANOTHER pint of Polish beer heading my way ;)

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Tompion on Apr 14^th, 2009, 1:41pm

on 04/14/09 at 12:13:39, wojtekor wrote:

There are no 3 screws inside my fusebox or the spare I'm looking at now - nor are there any exit holes for 3 screws on the underside.
I notice on the spare that a couple of the plastic clips on the side that hold it together are broken. Could yours have had screws added to hold it together?

Dave

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 14^th, 2009, 1:48pm

Hi all. got everything going again thanks to Highlander. Will go out now to put things back together. Thanks all for your ideas.
Highlander--- coming from Poland I should think your in for a pint of Vodka !!!! LOL
Thanks all Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 14^th, 2009, 1:53pm

No problem :)

Think this should be one for the fault finder page Boss :)

Relay 21 in battery side fusebox causing loss of all instrument cluster functions and everything which works on the ignition, such as sunroof, heater, indicators etc.
Lights, hazards and instument cluster backlights work as normal, car still starts and runs.

Relay 18 for the heated screen is an identical relay and can be swapped with 21 to test.

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by wojtekor on Apr 14^th, 2009, 2:33pm

Quote:

I notice on the spare that a couple of the plastic clips on the side that hold it together are broken. Could yours have had screws added to hold it together?

hmmmm possible... as mine has not plastic clips at all, somebody must have broken them before and screw it back together in that case...

Quote:

According to my sources there is ANOTHER pint of Polish beer heading my way

aaaaa! it was pure luck mate ;P and without me, causing the brainstorm, you'd never figure it out :P ;)
but i'm always there for you ig you need a companion for a drink, beer, vodka, scotch you name it ;)

Good that Tim got it running :)

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Tompion on Apr 14^th, 2009, 2:40pm

on 04/14/09 at 13:53:42, Highlander wrote:

Well done, made a note in my handbook :)

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by scorpio_man on Apr 14^th, 2009, 3:47pm

[quote author=wojtekor link=board=Problems;num=1238527140;start=60#71 date=04/14/09 at 14:33:57

aaaaa! it was pure luck mate ;P and without me, causing the brainstorm, you'd never figure it out :P ;)[/quote]

what do you mean you!!! ;D

i think you'll find i had the ignition idea, so it should be me getting all the beer! }{

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by wojtekor on Apr 14^th, 2009, 3:59pm

scorpio_man sorry, forgot about you ;)

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by scorpio_man on Apr 14^th, 2009, 4:10pm

}{

i'm always here (in the background, mainly). :D

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 14^th, 2009, 6:07pm

Thanks to everyone for all your help. Swapped R21 with R18 and everything in the dash came back to life. So special thanks to Highlander.
Only one small little problem now !!! hehehehehehehe
After I put everything back into place, everything working but no Radio. Checked No8 in Central fuese box OK There was an inline fuse going into the back of the radio it was OK also, and there is 12v at it ???
There is no life in the radio at all. I have the code but it dose not request a CODE. No sign of life. Any Help ???
Again thanks for everyones for your input.
Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Snoopy on Apr 14^th, 2009, 6:22pm

fuse 36 power saver ..... Check that one

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 14^th, 2009, 7:18pm

Thanks Snoopy checked F36 OK-- Changed it anyway but still Radio dead.
Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Simmo on Apr 14^th, 2009, 9:05pm

Try Fuse 43 in auxillary box. Cigar lighter. Causes all sorts of weird problems.

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 14^th, 2009, 9:10pm

Especially since you've been poking about down there ;) its not very well insulated

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 14^th, 2009, 9:42pm

Thanks Highlander. I'll have another wee poke tomorrow.

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 15^th, 2009, 1:08pm

I tried fuse 43 today and it is OK. Cigar and heated seats both working. I have not pushed the radio fully home as it is awkard to remove with allen key, would this make any differance. Can I pop out the cigar lighter to check wiring or is it a dash off again?
Thanks for the help Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 15^th, 2009, 6:20pm

Wouldnt matter, have you checked all the connections on the radio?

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 15^th, 2009, 8:17pm

Have checked connections on radio. All seem to be OK and 12v at inline fuse. Havn't checked wires at the back of Cigar lighter as I'm not sure how to get at them,
Thanks Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 15^th, 2009, 8:35pm

which model radio is it?
does it have the security panel on the front? try removing and refitting that

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 15^th, 2009, 10:39pm

Thanks Highlander, its an RDS 7000 ***I didn't know there was a security panel on it LOL **** When I had it out there was a FORD sticker on it saying Year 2004 ??? Will check it out tomorrow. Sounds promising
Thanks Tim

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 15^th, 2009, 11:28pm

http://i9.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/d7/f8/7524_1.JPG

thats the panel, small catch on the left side of it to remove it

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by timduffy7 on Apr 16^th, 2009, 10:06am

Thanks a million Highlander all sorted. I suspect it was my own fault. When I first looked at removing the radio. I may have had a little poke here and a little poke there. I suspect I poked the catch but didnt relise what it did. (Paddy Irish man LOL LOL)
again many thanks Tim
and thanks to all ADMIN for keeping this Site running

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by Highlander on Apr 16^th, 2009, 10:10am

Title: Re: Dead dash and windows & wipers
Post by gozz on Apr 16^th, 2009, 11:24pm

Bejasus Duffy,do yer know any good Englishman jokes,the paddys insist they all come here to learn how to be stupid ;D
GOZZ.