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Title: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Brad on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:22pm Hi everyone. I need urgent help. I was out in my 2.0L ultima today when the car just cut out altogether. Now there is no electrics whatsoever for no reason. No, lights, no instruments, no radio, no PATS, no central locking, nothing at all. So the car is broken down at the roadside.. I managed to check all the fuses (all okay), fuse boxes are bone dry etc. The battery voltage shows 12.57v with ignition on or off. I've taken the negative lead off the battery for approx 1 hour to try and re-set the electrics. Any idea's how I can at least fire the car up so I get get it back on my drive? Cheers in advance. Brad |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by wojtekor on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:27pm The fact that the fuseboxes appear dry doesn't mean they are dry you need to take them apart to be sure. I bet fuseboxes need rebuilding or the loom is shot... Did it cut out while driving or died after switching off? One of the relays may be shot... but that's unlikely as it wouldn't die altogether. Fuseboxes and the loom are your best bet. |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Brad on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:29pm Hi, it actually cut out while driving. I can't really repair the fuse boxes at the roadside, I need to get it on my drive to work on it. Brad |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by wojtekor on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:32pm loom :/ |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Brad on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:45pm Any idea how I can get around this problem as I really don't want to leave the car by the roadside? Sorry, but I'm beginning to panic now. Brad |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by scorpio_man on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:52pm hi there have you check the big fuses in the battery fuse box? numbers 1,11,111,1V http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/handbook132.gif only other thing i can think of is the main earth strap. burnt out? hth |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Simmo on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:58pm Try wacking the alternator as a last resort. ??? |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by wojtekor on Jun 26th, 2009, 5:59pm Well it will have to be towed home... :-/ |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by wojtekor on Jun 26th, 2009, 6:00pm Simmo but the battery seems fine and there is no life in it at all so the alternator doesn't fit as a theory... One way or another it's fuseboxes, looms related problem... |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Simmo on Jun 26th, 2009, 6:05pm Mate had a similar problem with his BMW. Just packed up.First sign was wipers and other electrics failing one by one 'till car stopped. Recovery man came along wacked the alternator with a BIG hammer,clearly jarred the brushes back into contact, started and we drove it home !!. Desparate situation try desparate measures!!. ;) |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Brad on Jun 26th, 2009, 10:08pm It's no good, the car is still completely dead no matter what I try and do. I can't move it until the electrics are sorted. I don't even know where to start if it might be the wiring loom. the car has been very reliable until today. It doesn't seem possible to get the fuseboxes out while at the roadside. So I'm really stuck. Any ideas how to proceed ? as I'm desperate. Brad |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by wojtekor on Jun 26th, 2009, 10:14pm You can get the fuseboxes out while on the roadside and the wiring loom... But i can't see the point of it. Rebuilding both fuseboxes if you're a novice will take you probably 2 days, engine wiring loom will take you in that case at least a week and 100m of new wires. [more then 200m if it was a cossie] + there are 2 other main looms. You need to tow the car home anyway and then we can think about advising you further... |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Stixy on Jun 26th, 2009, 10:28pm Have you checked all the fuses ? I had a fuse go in the main fusebox that controled the ignition switch i forget what number it was ? but with that fuse blown it was dead . |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Highlander on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:16pm swap relays 18 and 21 in the battery side fusebox and try it. http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/images/battery_fusebox.gif Ignition relay may have failed, we've seen it three times in the last couple of months. |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Jonnycab on Jun 27th, 2009, 1:21pm Is there any life at all ?......Are you sure the battery connections are nice & tight & that the small lead on the battery negative is on tightly also :) |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Brad on Jun 27th, 2009, 9:22pm Hi, yes I've checked all the fuses in both boxes under the bonnet, all look fine. I swapped R18 & R21 and all electrics are still dead. I tried boosting with a fully charged leisure battery using jump leads, still completely dead. I also tried using one jump lead between battery negative terminal and a good earth on the engine (simulating an earth strap, nothing happened at all. Both battery clamps were tight. I have a slight thought (don't know why) it may involve a broken starter inhibitor switch (Auto box), BUT, I wouldn't have expected ALL the electrics would blow if that was the case. Could it be something involving the PATS / imobilizer? but then again the PATS LED is not lit at all. I had been driving for quite a while before the engine just cut out, along with ALL the electrics. |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Highlander on Jun 27th, 2009, 9:49pm Its not a PATS problem, must be something around the +ve battery terminal and battery side fusebox, is the main lead ok? not broken internally or melted possibly? Have a look inside the fusebox, under the actual fuse layer, the bottom pops off with a few clips. might be water ingress however i would have thought it unusual for everything to go off, is there power coming to the main fuse terminals? (I, II, III and IV) |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by gozz on Jun 27th, 2009, 10:07pm There is a possibility that the red cable from the battery to the aux fuse box has parted company with the box,you would need to take out the battery access cover in front of the battery,then remove the two bolts at the front of the box to lift it up and have a look,you may need a mirror,alternatively you could first check for conductivity after removing the fuse held down by two screws,and poking a tester through the revealed hole onto the screw inside. GOZZ. |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by NormanHall on Jun 28th, 2009, 7:31am I purchased a 2.3 scorpio on e bay a couple of years ago where nothing electrical worked although it would start and run, I changed the whole fusebox under the driver side cost £45, and everything was OK, I purchased another just in case ! It is a bit fiddly but the whole job took less than one hour. |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by gozz on Jun 30th, 2009, 12:05pm Brad. Is it sorted ? GOZZ. |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Brad on Jul 1st, 2009, 3:14pm Hi ya Sorry for the delay in replying to contributors but I've been very busy. I eventually had to have the Scorpio towed in to a local garage as the electrical problem looked a mess. Firstly, they found that the battery side fusebox had a huge burn mark across the underside and had almost caught fire. At great expense, the fusebox was replaced but other problems persisted (no lights, wipers etc). They rang me today to say that they strongly suspect that the other fusebox is knacked too !! The main problem is that the MOT is due on the 12th July. I told them to do a pre-MOT first to see if there is nothing major on that, The outcome of that will dictate weither I go ahead and get them to fit the second fusebox. Even so, the bill so far = £247, so if the car is scrap, I'll loose all that money as well as the car. Can't afford another motor, so I'm stuck. I'll let you know how things go. Brad |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by scorpio_man on Jul 1st, 2009, 3:32pm hi there the wiper, lights issue could well be just the multi plug on the main fuse box not being in correctly. very easy to put the plug back in a row of pins out. hth |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Highlander on Jul 1st, 2009, 3:40pm I have a large wad on that being the problem! :) The multiplug on the drivers side fusebox has two plastic pins on the end of it that fit under lugs on the fusebox before its pushed down into place, it might look ok but its not ;) |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by wojtekor on Jul 1st, 2009, 3:53pm £247 for changing the fusebox?! omg |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by tootman318 on Jul 1st, 2009, 5:16pm brad, get them to check the 3 main feeds that go from battery side fuse box accross to main fusebox. they all serve different circuits. if it is the main fusebox gone, i have a box off a 24v cossie that had a smack from few years ago. car was running ok. all electrics worked then!! dont know if its the same box as yours though. if it is same, you pay postage then you can have it for nothing. regards darren |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Brad on Jul 1st, 2009, 10:51pm Hi £247 included the fusebox (£150 from Mr Ford), labour and towing in etc ... so far ! The mechanic was 97% sure that changing the battery side fusebox would do the trick. I'm not sure that a 24v cossie fusebox will be the same as an M reg 2L 16v so I'd sooner check first if that will be okay. I think it will all depend upon the outcome of the pre-MOT tomorrow, fingers and everything else crossed. Brad |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Brad on Jul 1st, 2009, 10:55pm Ooops, forgot, I'll mention the multiplug to the mechanic tomorrow, it might just save me another £150 on replacing the other fusebox. He DID happen to mention that when he wiggled one or two fuses, that the headlights came on and back off again, .... hum, interesting. I'll keep people updated when I know myself. Brad |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Highlander on Jul 1st, 2009, 11:21pm on 07/01/09 at 22:51:18, Brad wrote:
Based on what diagnosis?? Sounds like they're guessing to me |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Jonnycab on Jul 2nd, 2009, 1:35am How did the fusebox come to have a huge burn mark underneath & nearly catch fire ? ???....& would replacing the fusebox & not sourcing the cause lead to the same problem again ? :-/ |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by gozz on Jul 2nd, 2009, 9:53am JC. I had a similar problem whereby there had been arcing between the main lead into the aux box and the bolt retaining it,the base of the box had melted around the bolt.It appeared as though the bolt may have been loose ! GOZZ. |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Brad on Jul 4th, 2009, 10:28pm Hi all Update to the Scorpio saga: The car sailed through the MOT okay, the only items it failed on was in connection to the electrical problem. Therefore, I could allow another fusebox to be fitted (at great expense). This was fitted the next day and all seemed well. The car was then re-tested on the failed items, ie lights, wipers etc. and was issued with a full MOT. I had the faulty parts and I was amazed at the damage to both fuseboxes, The Aux box looked like it had been hit by lightning, this lead to similar damage on the main fusebox. Total bill = £512. I picked the vehicle up this morning (Saturday), it was running a little 'lumpy' but parked it outside our home. A little later I found that the engine cranked but wouldn't fire. I called the mechanics, who came straight out to the vehicle. Looks like the coil packs are shot now !!! I could see that there was voltage going into each coil but nothing coming out. I could well understand that the original short on the Aux fusebox could have created a voltage surge and blown the coil packs !!!!!!! If it rains it bloody well pee's it down. I'll see what happens on Monday. Brad |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Jonnycab on Jul 5th, 2009, 1:41am What condition is the engine wiring loom ?....ie, is there any bare wires going to the coil packs ? :) |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by wojtekor on Jul 5th, 2009, 3:21pm we're back to the loom... it's shot. severe damage to the loom could result in damaging the fuseboxes in the way you described... |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Brad on Jul 14th, 2009, 10:27pm Hi everyone. Sorry for taking so long to update this thread but I've been busy again. The latest is that after both fuseboxes were replaced and it broke down again, was that I bought 2 new coil packs, a new set of ignition leads and a set of plugs. I had the same mechanic replace these parts for £20. Trouble was that the car was no different afterwards. I decided to have a look and wthin 10 minutes found that the Fuel Shut-Off loom was totally b****red (as several contributors had already pointed out). The insulation had broken down in many places and in 3 places bare wires were shorting on the engine block while several bare wires were shorting each other. All the insulation was just powder. I didn't bother with looking at the connections to the coil packs. I just ordered a new Fuel Shut-Off loom, just waiting for it to arrive. It's great to see this site has a very good article upon how to replace the loom. I am still mad with the mechanic because I asked 3 times for him to check the wiring loom. He also stated that he did an OBD on the car but said that there were too many errors to list (no print-out then), but seeing how many shorts there were on the loom, it's not surprising. I just hope that all the sensors are okay. After all this, I'm considering purchasing the OBD leads/convertor setup for my laptop (and to learn how to use it). The old addage applies ..... if you want a good job doing, do it yourself. Many thanks to everyone so far, and to the this site for the invaluable information. Will keep you posted., honest ! Brad |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Highlander on Jul 14th, 2009, 11:30pm on 07/01/09 at 22:51:18, Brad wrote:
on 07/01/09 at 23:21:49, Highlander wrote:
If they keep replacing expensive parts sooner or later it works but its your pocket that takes the hit, i wonder how many "good" parts have been changed. New mechanic time I think ;) or learn to do it yourself, at least if you do it wrong you know you've done it wrong! :) |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by pete from Hull on Jul 15th, 2009, 8:55am on 07/14/09 at 22:27:47, Brad wrote:
You only need this site and a good set of spanners good health and a jack, you have everything you need then.... ;D Pete |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Brad on Jul 15th, 2009, 11:22am on 07/14/09 at 23:30:00, Highlander wrote:
I can say with confidence that there was NO need for them to have changed the main fusebox as there was only a few slightly burnt contacts on the fuse side, which they could have cleaned up with emery cloth, but it still cost me an extra £150. I have no problem with the aux fusebox, it looked like it had been hit by a lightning bolt (I may post pics of this). The coil packs were in very good condition and I tested them out, still okay. Plugs were okay. It is patently obvious that the Fuel Shut-Off loom is totally b****red and I'll fit a new one when it arrives. |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Snoopy on Jul 15th, 2009, 11:36am Its just sad that you seem to have spent so much trying to get the " mechanics" to fix it. There really is a WEALTH of experience and information on here and the main site. Some one usually knows how to fix it or has a very good idea. Keep us posted, and good LUCK. |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Tompion on Jul 15th, 2009, 12:14pm I assume it's the same with the 2.0 as the 2.3 with regard the 2 plugs mentioned here that are difficult to fit: http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/dohcloom.htm With the 2.3 it's easier to connect them with the oil filter off. Not that bad with the one near the filter (CKP) anyway, but the single wire one (oil pressure) is the hardest. I’d recommend cutting the wire on the old loom and making a temporary connection to the new plug until you do an oil change. If you tape the two wires together you should be able to pull it through from below. |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Brad on Jul 16th, 2009, 12:03pm Any idea if I can fit the Fuel Shut-Off loom without going underneath the car? can I fit it completely from under the bonnet? Brad |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Tompion on Jul 16th, 2009, 12:40pm Well, I couldn't on a 2.3 - although I would have been able to with the inlet manifold off - I tidied up the wire runs when I had the manifold off sometime later, there are some cable clips under there which I hadn't seen. It's just the 2 plugs I mentioned earlier, so you could do a temporary join with the old wires into the new plugs until you can do it properly. Just rembered you can't get the 2.3 manifold off without getting under the car ;D |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Brad on Jul 16th, 2009, 4:10pm Right then, I had a good look at replacing the loom and I'm very happy with all the connections apart from the 2 under the car. I can just about grapple with the Crankshaft Position Sensor connection but there is no way I can get to the Oil Pressure Sensor connection. I can only just see where it is. I might be able to disconnect and reconnect the new one with long forceps but I'm puzzled as to how I can thread the new loom through to the connections. Would it be possible to tie string to each connection and pull them through to the bonnet area, and then use the strings to pull the new loom through? So close, yet so far. Brad |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by wojtekor on Jul 16th, 2009, 5:51pm POST REMOVED BY ADMIN |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by tootman318 on Jul 16th, 2009, 6:07pm hi brad, if you dont mind me asking but how much was the new loom? ive just been quoted from fordparts uk for a 24v engine loom. about £530 delivered and from germany. i'm still on the floor in shock!!!!!!!! darren |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by joe-satch on Jul 16th, 2009, 6:22pm tompion,i did manage to remove the inlet manifold from our daughters 2.3 when she had a water leak without going under the car... :).i was able to undo all nuts and bolts from the engine bay.and then replaced it the same way..mind you its got to come off again to replace the inlet manifold as i fear there is a crack in it..but the 'bars leaks' is holding for now... ;D..regards den. :).ps and i have to repair the loom in the very near future... ::). |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Brad on Jul 16th, 2009, 6:25pm on 07/16/09 at 18:07:37, tootman318 wrote:
Hi, I managed to get a new one fron the National Clearance Center who advertise on FleaBay. This one was £144.93. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=360163205035 I don't know if they have one for a 24v though. By the way, this loom is a NEW loom and has all the Ford stickers and finis number on. Therefore, I would say that the loom is a proper Ford item. |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by wojtekor on Jul 16th, 2009, 6:32pm still original loom even though it will be new will be poorly made... it's cheaper and better to rebuild the old one using new high class wiring... |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Brad on Jul 16th, 2009, 6:40pm Brad, please check your private messages at the top of the screen. regards andrew forum admin team Until I can figure how to get the Oil Pressure sensor connection off and new one back on and thread the loom round the back of the altenator etc, I have taped the bare wires on the old loom with insulation tape. One good think about that is that the car is now able to rev past 4500 revs which it didn't before. I certainly don't want to cut the old loom and the new one to connect them just for the sake of one connection. Meanwhile, rain has stopped play. Brad |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by pedropedro on Jul 16th, 2009, 7:34pm Not wishing to be contentious here, but ford redesigned the loom a few years ago. They utilised new design high temperature insulation and that doesnt break down nor fail; it is a very well made loom . It is unlikely you could source wiring of the same spec and without question a new loom is the right option. Rewiring will not produce the same quality or reliability. |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by wojtekor on Jul 16th, 2009, 7:42pm on 07/16/09 at 19:34:58, pedropedro wrote:
can i ask for the source of this info? From what i know they didn't change anything. on 07/16/09 at 19:34:58, pedropedro wrote:
must disagree, these are very poor wires and of course you can source better ones... and rewiring done properly will give you better quality then the original loom and much much better reliability. and if you know what you're doing it will cost you much less the a Ford loom. Maybe u misunderstood me, i'm not just talking about rewiring per se I'm basically talking about making a new loom yourself... And believe me when I say that it is not hard nor expensive to make a loom that is generally better then the original... Let me rephrase that; I would never buy something I know will fail, even if it will fail after approx. 5-8 years, I would make it myself using better quality materials etc. so that I know it will last at least twice as long and cost less to make. :) |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by pedropedro on Jul 16th, 2009, 7:56pm "If you find yourself in this situation and your vehicle was built before June 1996 we recommend that you examine the wiring looms in the engine bay. It will be of Arnitel and some insulation on the thin-walled control wires will have cracked in situ making the conductors prone to poor connection and/or damp. Post 6/96 cars are wired with Raychem44 and have presented no problems to date." An extract from an article by Eric founder of the site. |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by wojtekor on Jul 16th, 2009, 8:01pm Aaaa you meant this redesign... Well the thing is that post 6/96 well made from better quality materials then the previous ones but still it was a much lower standard then for example BMW looms. And the still fail as time goes by. My car was made with those redesigned looms and they still needed rebuilding. Point is, they sure last longer then the earlier ones but still it's way below expectations. So like I said before they are not worth the money they are asking for them and you can source without a problem much much better wires to build a loom yourself for much less money. |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by wojtekor on Jul 16th, 2009, 8:10pm a bit of documentation on that matter: http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5382/dscn6582.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/i/dscn6582.jpg/) http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6536/dscn6581.th.jpg (http://img222.imageshack.us/i/dscn6581.jpg/) http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1406/dscn6636.th.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/dscn6636.jpg/) http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6585/dscn6654.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/i/dscn6654.jpg/) http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2782/dscn6660.th.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/dscn6660.jpg/) http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9066/dscn6661p.th.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/dscn6661p.jpg/) http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/732/dscn6662.th.jpg (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/dscn6662.jpg/) http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/9227/dscn6790.th.jpg (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/dscn6790.jpg/) http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3431/dscn6796q.th.jpg (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/dscn6796q.jpg/) http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8804/dscn6669.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/i/dscn6669.jpg/) http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/4599/dscn6670.th.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/dscn6670.jpg/) http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2461/dscn6671.th.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/dscn6671.jpg/) http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/294/dscn6705.th.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/dscn6705.jpg/) Quote:
one more thing, don't know who told you that but the truth is that those looms use cheap wires, basically the same you can buy in ebay for a few quid, that no professional would use on a car due to very harsh conditions they have to work in. Good wires are quite expensive and you can't buy them on fleabay. But still when your doing things on your own it's cheaper then buying a Ford loom. Ask any professional electrician who takes pride in his job and he'll tell you exactly the same. |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by Brad on Jul 16th, 2009, 8:21pm That's all very well but I've already bought the loom and I can't afford any more expense, I'm skint. If the loom lasts another 5 years, then it would be worth while. Brad |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by pedropedro on Jul 16th, 2009, 8:24pm I too experienced exactly the same issues as you have with the loom and I am confident my nor your loom was made using raychem 44 My new loom has ben in the car for 4 years without any degradation at all ...not a hint of insulation damage raychem 44 cable/sleeving meets a military spec MIL-W-81044 which is a very stringent spec. Anyway lets leave it alone bad for your health . |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by wojtekor on Jul 16th, 2009, 8:26pm on 07/16/09 at 20:21:39, Brad wrote:
Sure it will last quite some time and it will work fine. So you shouldn't worry. It's just that they are not the best quality, but to be honest a new Ford loom will probably live longer then your car has to give... ;) Only in my case I'm planning to keep my Scorpio forever as a collectable and I don't use it as a workhorse or something so a loom 'for just a few years' wasn't an option for me... ;) on 07/16/09 at 20:24:23, pedropedro wrote:
well the proof of how good they are is visible on the pics }{ Good that you don't have a problem with them though they are only 4 years old, let's just hope they will last another 4 :) |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by tootman318 on Jul 16th, 2009, 9:30pm mine is a 97 built cossie estate and the engine loom is in tatters!!!!!! not touching it yet till i decide what to do. dont want to disturb anything |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by wojtekor on Jul 16th, 2009, 9:33pm Quote:
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by tootman318 on Jul 16th, 2009, 9:45pm looks a mess at moment. but been looking closely and think if intake system was removed then access looks ok. are original connectors re-usable or not??????? |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by wojtekor on Jul 16th, 2009, 9:54pm well theoretically they are... although i'd recommend buying new ones, u can get them easily and they are cheap... ps. rebuilding a cossie loom requires much more time and more then twice as much wire to do then a 16v but it's still doable if you can have the car sitting for a while... i'd recommend getting another used loom to rebuild so you can keep the car going for this time on the loom it already has... then just swap them over... |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by tootman318 on Jul 16th, 2009, 10:34pm that might be a good idea. just got to find 2nd loom now!!!!! |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by wojtekor on Jul 16th, 2009, 10:42pm look in the 'parts for sale' section of this forum... someone must be braking a 24v... |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by joe-satch on Jul 19th, 2009, 7:21am very good loom re-wire wojtekor..i will be doing our daughters loom on her 2.3 in the very near future. :)...excellent work mate. :). |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by wojtekor on Jul 19th, 2009, 7:25am take a weekend or 2 off mate :) this thing can be frustrating :D |
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Title: Re: URGENT HELP PLEASE !!!!!! Post by joe-satch on Jul 19th, 2009, 11:06am yes i figured it would be. :o...still it will keep me busy. :). |
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